charlton heston to me, i start to smile when i talk about him. i mean he is the-- greatest goose on earth. >> rose: greatest goose. >> yeah, i was denied credit on it he had nothing to do with it. he never knew who wrote the script. the producer knew, and he died. so it was all up in the air and william wyler, a very nice guy, director, want christopher fry, the other writer. and myself as cowriters. i only brought it up because it ended in great lawsuits and changed the rules of the writers guild of america. heston then wrote about me in his diaries so i make some fun of him. >> rose: what does he say but? >> oh, i don't know, well, he keeps redoing it i don't know what point it is lately. >> rose: new memoirs out. i want to show you two people. one there is jimmy trimbull as he looked the last time i saw him when he was 17 in 1942. what i was not, he was and the other way around. just reflect on this. because this is the heart of this. >> well, we grew up together. an i was 1 week older than he and we went to school together. he was the greates