kennedy: hillary as charo? >> i could see that, you ask me to dream of candidates, this just a dream, let's dream of big, dream charisma. that stuff matters. kennedy: is there a charismatic democratic candidate. >> oh, you know -- i'll get back to you. kennedy: take your time. >> she does have really great ideas. kennedy: people this week talk about retreading some former democratic losers like al gore? how likely is that? >> i think problem hillary clinton reminds me something that johnny carson said, he said it great to see some old faces, and new faces and new faces on old face, this is hillary clinton's problem going on 25 years out there and i think people are tired of seeing the same person over, and over they lock at al gore, not a new face but been out of limelight. there are a lot of people that are tired of hillary clinton, and bill clinton, and james carville popping up and lenny davis, same old davis. kennedy: like a donald rumsfeld, and dick cheney. >> i hear you, here is problem with that, it is w