his name is chase koch. chase. who is carrying on the koch family tradition of dad mysteriously deciding that you are the most qualified man for the job. and you happen to have the same last name. it's crazy, right? in september of last year, that young man who got the job from dad, chase koch, he was struck with a sudden desire to give this man a lot of money. this man is the attorney general of the state of texas. this is the koch industries fertilizer plant that's in sweetwater, texas, reportedly handles a large amount of nitrogen-based fertilizer and stored 10,000 pounds of a fertilizer called ammonium nitrate. if you know as much about fertilizer as i know about cows, even if you know nothing about fertilizer, you probably know the name ammonium nitrate because of this. >> [ bleep ]. >> god almighty. oh, my lord. get in the truck. get in the truck. oh, my lord. >> that explosion was about 200 miles east of the koch industries fertilizer plant in sweetwater, texas. those images were taken and these images were t

chase sapphire preferred. so you can. [cheering and applause] welcome back. my gust tonight, a senior editor from mother jones magazine. his new book is called "sons of whip utah: how the kochs became america's most powerful private dynasty." please welcome to the program daniel schulman. [cheering and applause] thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> the book is called "sons of wichita." i am very angry with you. you presented a book here that's very complex, that's very well researched. it's quite fair, and these koch brothers almost seem human in your depiction. >> i apoll jiesms. >> jon: how could you, sir? >> it is a fascinating story of these... i mean, the two brothers are sort of famous. there's four of them. >> right. so the interesting thing about this family is you really hear just about charles and david koch. of course there are four koch brothers. when i was researching this book, the political part of their story is almost the least interesting part of it. these brothers duked it out over control of the family company. one of them, what's got to be one of the most bare-knuckled brawl, legal brawls in history, and the interesting part about it is that whe