. >> what strikes me between the time that, you know, we spoke in 2014 here at chattaqua, and now it's not that many years, but it's been a really tumultuous moment. switch culturally, and i don't think that i saw it the same way when we saw it before. your mother and grandmother are catholic. your mother was a former nun for a while and your great-grandmother was baptist, your birth father was lutheran. your father who raised you was jewish and white and what i also see, what i see rit large right now, you straddle so many american divides, not just black and white, but south and north. there's alabama, there's chicago, there's princeton, there's the religious and intellectual. >> yes. >> polarization, and there's kind of a multi-class identity, which is extraordinary in a moment like this. there's some word of james baldwin at the beginning of your book which you named after these words of his, "more beautiful and more charitable the embrace and trance sen dense of racial inequality in the united states. the american history is larger longer, more beautiful more terrible than anybody