and i had to go to chautauqua.use of the dream? >> because of the dream. but then i thought, don't be silly. it's a dream. >> salman rushdie had been invited to the tranquil town of chautauqua, close to lake erie, to speak about the importance of a subject he knows too well, the importance of protecting writers whose lives are under threat. >> did you have any anxiety being in such a public space? >> not really. in the more than 20 years that i've been living in america, i've done a lot of these things. >> you haven't had security around you, close protection detail, for a long time? >> long time, long time. what happens in many places that you go and lecture is that they're used to having a certain degree of security, venue security. in this case, there wasn't any. >> the irony, of course, is you were there to talk about writers in danger. >> yeah, exactly, and the need for writers in other countries to have safe spaces in america, amongst other places. and then, yeah, it just turned out not to be a safe space for