there were checkerboards. they call it a checkerboard plan which was to give people land here and someone else when and over here to break a political power and tribalism. >> host: next call from paul in kentucky. >> caller: thank you. it is a pleasure to speak with you, linda. >> guest: how is kentucky doing with that water? >> caller: we are fighting the good fight here against the strip mining and mountaintop removal of coal fields. but it is not going real well. my question has to do with the presence at the present time of native people's not just in america but all over the world. a lot of times we think of indians we just think about indians in the u.s. but there are native indigenous people that are being eve this r-rated all over the world. india has been axles which are being hunted down, you have native indians in brazil. even in afghanistan they call the areas where they're doing all the bombing the tribal areas. i want you to speak to the fact that indigenous people around the world are being if u

it and ohio north of the line, and you may be able to see that new hampshire i have a kind of checkerboard color. in new hampshire did not officially abolished slavery until the civil war. so it's really shorthand became our language. but i want to talk about it because slavery is one of the two underlining elements that i want to follow to light through the people that because of slavery established a great deal of lines on the american matt, and also to talk about another underlining element that can to be intertwined with slavery, and that is the vision of this man, thomas jefferson. in 1784, the congress and signed thomas jefferson the task of coming up with a way to create new states. it's not in the constitution, so we needed some kind of method for doing so. this was the proposal for new states that jefferson handed in, probably the first thing to street q. well that isn't what we got. [laughter] nor do we keep most of those names although two of them have kind of survived. but jefferson, what's intriguing to me is jefferson had a question as well, and when he issued this report and

, but just but just don't move this one because we really need it and kind of like it's like a checkerboard and somebody puts their finger on that checker and says move all the others and not that one. agribusiness comes in and says we want you to solve the debt crisis but don't move this checker and pretty soon you have fingers on every checkerboard before congress. and that's the system we have. because they're able to take advantage of a system that puts candidates on the auction block or the highest bidder because -- and it's not because these politicians are, you know, any more corrupt than the average american. in fact, what i would -- based on my experience of 30 years in washington, the kind of the good and bad news is that these politicians up here are the same as the rest of us. and that means that they're subject to the same kinds of temptations, that means that money buys access and money buys power. >> host: i'm a candidate, i took public funds, i drop out of the race, what happens to the money i've taken in? >> guest: well, it's -- if you haven't spent it on candidate activiti