and young conrad, chelsa, and savannah learned how to never gave the choppy waters known all too wellt talk to each other, really, so i tried to start in and help resolve that. >> you are kind of a mediator. in a way. that's a tough ball for a kid to play? >> it was better than having them yell at each other on the phone. >> and living apart, said conrad. >> my mother was happier than ever. i think all our lives improved. >> debbie did well enough as a pharmaceutical representative that she could be able to buy her own home. >> she could finally start living her life the way that she wanted to. >> except, there were issues. once after they separated during the squabble of divorce, she claimed he tried to choke her. >> she said, he just look like a crazed animal. and i thought he was going to kill me. and not too long after that, she had said to me, you know, if anything ever happens to me you know what to look. >> dave said the choking thing never happened, that it was never violent with her. >> i have never choked anybody. >> things settle down eventually, though there was always som