the bottom line and i think if you look at the chelsey piers, the mills proposal which the chelsey pier which we had to fight over and defeated ultimately. the bulk head is the way in. there is no visitors at the site with alcatraz and the other terminals. the problem is not getting people to come to the water front, it's getting to use it. it's a failure. without the front door to the pier. we are sitting around the waterfront plan and talk about this recreation across the water front. this is the only place in the water front where it's called out and taking away the front door to the pier in 15 years in effect will mean no recreation at least for the foreseeable future. >> well, i would actually ask elaine is that a concern if we do something like this in the bulk head that we are not going to be able to find a user for the rest of the pier for the next 15 years? >> it's not a concern that i have or staff has. the pier 29 is unusual in that it is adjacent to a large gta. that parking area that serves both the cruise ship terminal and pier 29. so there is quite good access of the whol