chely. >> that's the exception. >> and what if some of these witnesses that testified you call as a witnessn we rely on actually the discovery statute that talks about that. we would say that at that point when the state has made the decision to call one of the witnesses that has testified before the grand jury at that point the transcript becomes relevant, and we turn it over. >> all right. so we may have to talk some logistics, but we'll see where we end up. so your motion. >> your honor, i would just take exception with doing what they call jinx material in federal court where they give it to you at the last second because we have to craft a defense -- >> ask that's what i was getting to. >> so if we look at the litigation that happened before the special grand jury, it's 2022-ex-00024. i'd like to adopt the brief that was filed by the media companies asking for the release of all these transcripts. there's been a lot of law that have been cited so we don't have to sort of go through all of it. lists out the requirements that a special grand jury needs to do and that requirement includes