this meeting is all about liz cheney. they talked very little about marjorie taylor greene. >> wow. >> she got up and did speak herself for a few minutes and actually got somewhat of a standing ovation from a good portion of the conference that we're told. you know, there was one congressman of illinois who has been of course a big critic of president trump who got up and really attacked kevin mccarthy for focussing more on cheney and dealing with that and not doing anything to handle the situation with marjorie taylor greene but kevin mccarthy attempted over the past 24 hours to find a way out of this. he asked hoyer, the democratic majority leader if there could be a compromise perhaps put taylor green on another committee. democrats are not interested in that. they don't want her serving on any committee and pushing forward so mccarthy essentially put his hands up in the air and said i won't do anything about it and it's also important to point out, anderson, in the statement that you read from kevin mccarthy, you'll n

i mean, the fact that they are, you know, hammering liz cheney, although i have to tell you liz cheney, she called their bluff. they said they had the votes to take her down. she said let's call a volt. they won by better than a two to one margin, so good for her. on the other hand, taylor greene is going to be a boat anchor around the necks of so many of those republicans in wing and margin districts. just as republicans tie democrat to aoc and the squad, it's a fair turn-around. democrats are going to do the same thing with taylor greene. >> liz cheney survived by a big margin in a secret vote. still, it was 60, 61 people. that was a lot. mccarthy refused to take action on greene. democrats are going to bring a vote to the floor tomorrow. every republican will have to go on record. how does this all look? >> well, it's a terrible look. i expect almost every republican will vote against that resolution. probably they'll argue on precedent terms and i think there's a real concern there. we are spire spiraling into a dangerous place where parties are dictating to other parties who gets

and is that what you're getting at, when you say that liz cheney or the idea of liz cheney is something the democrats might want to highlight? >> this is increase imply what we're hearing, as we talk to democrats, they are increasingly talking about liz cheney. they see everything that she is saying as evidence that you can submit to make this case, at least to the american public, ideally to republican senators, but again, i think everyone knows at this point where they think this vote is going. but democrats see liz cheney in this particular case, she is in leadership and has made a concerted decision to put herself on this side of the argument, on this side of history, to try to reset the republican party alongside her, and there are many areas where the democrats in the house and liz cheney disagree when it comes to policy, but on this particular issue, and what is an appropriate role for a president, and what is,, you know -- what are kind of the boundaries and red lines of american democracy, their interests meet in the middle on this particular issue. >> and ben, how effective do

it wasn't just liz cheney. there were ten of them. i will say this about kevin mccarthy.e says he supports her. but there's always this but. he has concerns. if he really supported her, we wouldn't be in this place today. and a very influential republican fund-raiser said to me that kevin mccarthy's behavior today with marjorie taylor greene, not removing her from those committees, was "a huge embarrassment and a failure of leadership. you don't speak to marjorie taylor greene. you take action." the other thing -- there was one anecdote that a member just texted me from inside the meeting just now that i think also speaks to a certain tone. mike kelly from pennsylvania stood up and said that seeing cheney's statement was like playing at a big football game and looking up to see your girlfriend sitting in the opposing team's stand. to which women in the caucushim girlfriend." so there is just this running wild that kevin mccarthy has let happen that is not leadership, wolf. >> you know, mia, when you and i spoke last week you said kevin mccarthy needed in your words to sta

>> congresswoman cheney: we should have come across.s is exactly the kindity in the house decides who sits on committees from both parties, you might as will not have anybody in the minority on any committees, so it should not have gotten to the point that it did. i don't believe the democrats have any business determining who from the republicans sit on committees but we should have dealt with it ourselves and i think it's very important that we are absolutely clear that those views and those beliefs do not have any place in our public discourse and, you know, we will want to see action now from congresswoman greene that backs up the kinds of words that we've seen over the last few days and the kinds of apologies, but we have to be very clear, that's not who we are as a party. >> chris: that of course is the question, whether it is who you are as a party or not because all of this that's too where the g.o.p. is buried here was congresswoman greene's defense on the house floor this week. take a look. >> i never said any of these things

more than nose who spoke out for liz cheney. one freedom caucus member reportedly said seeing cheney's impeachment vote was, and i'm quoting here, "like seeing your girlfriend in the opposing team's stands." republican women yelling "liz isn't your girlfriend." what happened to the party of values, family values? what happened to character? what happened to personal responsibility? the qtrumplican party had a chance to make a clean break after deranged conspiracies led to a deadly insurrection. but facts are facts. they want the crazy. the crazyies, not a bug. they applaud it. this is the whole thing in a nutshell. they wanted liz cheney to apologize for telling the truth and marjorie taylor greene doesn't need to apologize for lying. for threatening. and reveling, they are, in the chaos that she is causing. that's where the qtrumplican party is right now. the minority leader paralyzed in the face of the qanon congresswoman. who's really in charge in who's really in charge? in fact, that hasn't escaped the notice of house speake

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especially for liz cheney. this is the fate of liz cheney. we are three hours in, still up in the air. >> that's what's sad about all this. liz cheney voted her conscience, and all of the conversation tonight is apparently mostly about her. right now, republicans need to stand by liz cheney. i think many of them will. she will represent the future of the party at this rate. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate it. congressman dent, gloria borger, thank you. >>> i want to bring in the republican lieutenant governor, jeff duncan of georgia. we have spoken in the past months, you talked about the need for gop 2.0. yet here we are. you are from the same state as congresswoman green. what do you think about what's going on in your party right now that mccarthy is backing her? >> well, i don't live in representative greene's district but i have an opinion. my opinion is we are headed the wrong direction. if we continue to elect folks that take her approach, we're going to continue to lose as republicans. that simple. it is hard to watch. i got

caller: probably liz cheney.ost: minority leader mitch mcconnell and the structure of the senate falling into place yesterday after senators finally , more than a month into the 117th congress, have reached a power-sharing agreement in that chamber. this is the story from today's washington times. that power-sharing agreement, democrats officially taking control of committees. since inauguration day, thanks to vice president harris' tie-breaking vote, but without the organizing revolution, republicans held chairmanships is a carryover from the previous congress. the power deal, democrats have the rains now. there were negotiations on the filibuster with mitch mcconnell trying to get assurance in a deal that democrats would not use the nuclear option to change the rules. there is no nonnuclear assurance in the power-sharing agreement, but mitch mcconnell pointed to statements from senators joe mansion of west virginia -- joe manchin of west virginia. making a comfortable for him to move forward with the power-shar

the good news here, of course, is that liz cheney survived handily.ds of the conference, but it was a secret ballot, don. now, those people, those republicans all know that donald trump wanted liz cheney out of leadership. i wonder if this were a public vote what would have happened to liz cheney, and tomorrow we have to wait and see when there's a vote on the floor on what happens to marjorie taylor greene's committee assignments, because the democrats have forced this vote, whether she will actually tell the american public what she said in private to this conference, saying, you know, i don't really believe that stuff. let's see. >> yeah. listen, you said -- listen, it was 145-61. that's a lot of people, gloria, 61. that's a lot. >> uh-huh. >> david is shaking his head. >> it is. >> in agreement. david, he delivered this unity speech, kevin mccarthy i'm talking about, before the vote on liz cheney an we saw him after the vote. what has this whole sorry episode done to his reputation as the leader and you can tell me why you're shaking your head as

and good for liz cheney. you know, good for her. i just listened to this. first of all, this is not -- i disagree with jamie on one point this is not the republican party. these are house republicans who are stuck in this room, yelling and screaming at each other of the i've been in those conferences. it was over things like taxes, spendings and budgets, things like that, not about something that is so ridiculous. and it shows a total lack of leadership. frankly, probably ought to make liz cheney the head of the republican party in the house because mccarthy is saying he can't make a decision? and then he attack the democrats? come on. this is like child's play. stand up and be a leader. this woman, she put out anti-semitic comments. she denied what -- the pain that was inflicted on the families of those kids who were shot and killed in those horrible attacks. what about them? i mean, to say that liz cheney should be disciplined that she thought that the president's actions led to impeachment? and they want to take her out? i mean, it makes me wonder about

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there was hours of debate about liz cheney and her role and the conference.e was talking about it was a family discussion so we didn't get a lot of detail. there seems to be a big muzzle around what did happen there but we do know that marjorie taylor greene who there was not a vote about ovation. she was well received, i am told. >> 145-61, in a secret ballot, that is, i mean, that is i suppose encouraging in so far as the caucus has decided that they will not cast out a member for the sheer voting to impeach the president of the united states, and that's a fairly wide margin, although deposing leadership is a big deal. if it had gone the other way, it would have been an enormous earthquake, right? >> it would have been extremely significant. especially on the same day that they were having this big discussion about marjorie taylor greene, who has said in the past that parkland was a false flag operation. she had been a supporter of qanon. and mccarthy earlier in the day, the republican leader, had come out and said that he was not going to support stripping

represented of cheney is the daughter of former vice president dick cheney. she was first elected to the house in 2016 and has been serving as gop conference chair since 2019. following the meeting and vote on represented of cheney, minority leader mccarthy spoke to reporters. >> and my right here? you guys are over here? we just had a very good conference. the number one thing that happened in this conference was unity. people were able to air their differences. people were able to focus. most important part that came out of this converse -- conference was where our focus was at. we think three aged things need to happen. we should be focused on getting people back to work. unfortunately, president biden already cut a million jobs. we want to get people back in school. we want anyone to get a vaccine that wants it if they have it. >> why did you make the decision not to remove congresswoman marjorie taylor greene? >> well you see, that's not true. we were willing to remove her from labor. when steny hoyer called, he said that was a complaint they had. i want

and they are keeping cheney in her position.are going to try to change the topic, chris. >> sounds like the law of unintended consequence like when you aim your space laser down to pursue your domination you end up with a wildfire. leigh ann caldwell at the capital. thank you. >> thank you. >> the democrats won the senate, and one month, one insurrection later they are finally taking their precious gavels. members love to chair things. this happened after minority leader chuck schumer and mcconnell agreed on how to run a 50/50 senate. allowing democrats to pass the resolution and take control of the majority upper chamber. now the question becomes can the democrats advance the president's agenda with their razor thin majority? i'm joined by senator tim kaine, democrat from virginia. i guess first, it finally happened. today was the day. you guys now have control. congratulations. >> thank you, chris. we feel very, very good about it. you control the agenda, so it's 50/50, but once you're the majority, you can -- hearings what ha

that was not a close vote to keep liz cheney in her position.ing covered her, i mean, she is not someone -- i think she's demonstrated, people have seen how she -- first of all, she took that vote and then she's gone out there and defended herself on it. what is the breadth of the support within the republican conference for her tell you about her position and about the difference between what republicans are willing to say in public and what they're willing to say in private? this was a secret ballot. >> that's right. it was a secret ballot. so, we know what people think is right. we had 61 republicans vote against her, unfortunately. but now we're going to see today when it comes down to the vote against marjorie taylor greene, about keeping her committee assignments, what will the republican vote look like then? i have a feeling it may be lopsided. it may be reverse of what we saw last night, because it's a public vote. but the lens to look through this, kasie, is really political and fund-raising. we see mitch mcconnell coming out against th

liz cheney, they just didn't have the nerve. after they crossed cheney. i guess they didn't have the nerve to do it. >> yeah. right. totally. i think -- first of all, it's kind of still kind of amazing that roughly a third of the caucus voted to strip her of her leadership. it's not a trivial vote. she obviously won that vote decisively, so let's not make any bones about it. still a third of the caucus tried to get her out of there. if you think about it, who won yesterday in terms of republican leadership, who is important in the party? kevin mccarthy, we'll talk about this. he tried to have it both ways yesterday and sort of did in the limited sense that he split his ticket. he stuck by majorie taylor greene and also he stuck by liz cheney and at the moment, both are still standing. that's what a lot of this is about. kevin mccarthy, whose fragile holdover the republican caucus, knowing jim jordan is his rival to be the leader of the next caucus and potentially the next speaker, mccarthy kept it together yesterday for himself.

liz cheney is not a moron. she's smart.s to say in order to get what she wants. what liz cheney wants is an expanded military presence around the world. more wars in the middle east. she's sincere about this. she's a genuine old fashioned ideolog that means killing people in far away places. she's not kidding. in order to get the new wars, she stray far from the rest of the war lobby in washington. she's long close to billki crystal. she made sure to smirk at donald trump when he pulled troops out of afghanistan.he she denounced the murder of george floyd long before anyone could say whether it was a horrific murder or a fentanyl o.d. she read the script. she is still readingng the scri. here's lists cheney suggesting that any news organization that aired questioned about election fraud including this channel bears moral responsibility for the capitol riot of january 6. that is why liz cheney says we need "a 9-11 style commission to get to the bottom of it all." really, people, january 6 was a lot like 9-11. thousands dead.

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liz cheney and marjorie taylor greene. one who voted to impeach the former president, the other who holds extremist views. >> reporter: on capitol hill, a major test for republicans. divided over whether to continue to be the party of former president donald trump or to leave him in the past. after an hours-long meeting with the house gop, minority leader kevin mccarthy declining to pick a side. >> we just had a very good conference. >> reporter: house republicans voting congresswoman liz cheney will keep her leadership position in a 145-61 secret ballot vote, according to several people in the room. the third-ranking gop member under scrutiny by her colleagues, after voting to impeach trump a second time. a move cheney told cnn wednesday she does not regret. >> we really did have a terrific vote tonight. terrific time this evening, laying out what we're going to do going forward, as well as making clear that we're not going to be divided. >> reporter: cheney's win, a victory for traditional republicans. and wednesday's me

i think that was heartening to cheney and to people around cheney. i think this is going to be a tough line for mccarthy to walk for another 18 months. >> it's interesting to watch how the white house is handling this and president biden, keeping this at a distance. and to an extent, this does provide, or what kind of opportunity duo you think this provides to them to focus on other things or to look like adults, in a way? >> look, i think a big one, john. i think that the complication of impeachment, i think, has been something that has -- i don't know that it's vexed the white house, but certainly they've been okay keeping it at a distance, even though the president said he believes it has to happen. but i do think that having this be something that is taking place separate from them allows them to focus on the work in front of them. allows them to focus on executive orders or on passing legislation. and look as if they are sort of trying to have a more constructive way forward, as democrats are arguing with their republican counterparts about wher

many trump loyalists in the house when cheney stripped of her powerful position. cheney spoke to her gop colleagues today for about 10 minutes in a closed door meeting. she did not apologize and defended her vote to impeach saying she was protecting the constitution and voting with her conscience and the gop leader in the house california's kevin mccarthy is backing cheney today saying that she has the right to vote her conscience. the wyoming representative cheney also asked the gop in the house to vote on her fate today. no update so far tonight on that front house lawmakers who refused to go through newly installed metal detectors at the capitol will soon face big fines. >>today speaker nancy pelosi said that the house is going to adopt new rules mandating a fine of $5,000 for the first offense and $10,000 for the second infraction the fines would be deducted from the lawmaker salaries, several house republicans have yell that the capitol police officers for even asking them to go through the metal detectors. pelosi says that the metal detectors are necessary t

cheney campaigns. i know you know each other well. matthew, let me start with you. the president is trying to get lawyers on board, and the whole question is on the teledefense. he wants them to say he won by a landslide as opposed to making it a constitutionality point. in the context manu just reported, what do you make of it with majority leader mitch mcconnell making it clear he sp supports liz cheney and doing it now. >> i think it is a mistake of the president. as you know, you put these lawyers in a courtroom, they couldn't make the argument, making the arlgt would be lying to the court. i think it is wholly about the president not able to give up and admit he lost. he conveys himself as a great winner. same reason by barry bonds, never admitted performance enhancing runs, can't admit he got the championship without them. donald trump can't admit losing, having to lie and make an argument, why he lost his lawyers. it is his own personal inability to say he lost. >> and ben, on this front many of

liz cheney and marjorie taylor greene. and instead of disassociatiing 24e678 themselves from the fringe. they made a calculation that they can't win without people who stornlgemed capitol. you have to wonder, if while watching greene's emboldened presser on friday, maybe kevin mccarthy and company has buyer's remorse. joining me now is adam grant, an organizational psychology at the wharton school where s his ted talks have been viewed over 25 million times. he is the author of the just released think again, the power of knowing what you don't know. professor, thanks so much for being here. i find that so much of what write about applies to our political climate. for example, you argue in favor of embracing the joy of being wrong but that seems to be the an tithesis of what our politicians act. >> you know who was a great flip-flopper? abraham lincoln. he came into office thinking if he alabolished slavery, that it would tear the union apart. >> and i can't think of a politician who upon reflection and says so faces the pu

mostly about liz cheney. but marjorie taylor greene walked back some of her views and kevin mccarthy who talked to us late last night suggested that that is good enough for him. >> she said she was wrong. she has reached out in other ways and forms. >> i think everybody should hear that. she has expressed that she's put it out from news agencies and others. i think it would be helpful if you could hear exactly what she told all of us. denouncing qanon, i don't know in i say it right. i don't know what it is. >> reporter: and he does know what it is. he said that qanon has no place in the republican party. he said that before and not last night. but the republicans did appreciate what she said privately. they applauded her and stood up and gave her a round of applause, i'm told but say number of them i talked to afterwards including mccarthy said she should say it publicly and denounce the things she said privately. no indication that she will do that and democrats regardless are moving ahead. >> so lauren, wh

speaking of bombing the middle east have you seen liz cheney's poll numbers?ten, the one thing i will say for liz cheney as i'm sure she has a lot of bipartisan support. there's one thing she and joe biden definitely want to do is bomb the middle east. everything else is a disaster. everything else is rhino policies the kind of policies that put the republican party in a position where they needed a donald trump. no, seriously. liz cheney and her politics are only slightly less popular then her father is at a quail hunt. what? fact checkers, fact checkers, please have at it. [cheering] fact checked true. right? listen, like i said liz cheney hates trump in his policies because her family has a long history of friendly fire. but she also hates them because she is tied to an establishment that has nothing but fail us time and time again. you have heard the rhetoric from some of them over the last couple of weeks. now you've seen that change very quickly. because if there is one thing the republican party has been really good at over the decades is snatching from

now, cheney has made an effort here. we know she has gone around and quietly spoke to a number of republican members to try to beef up her support leading into this crucial meeting. what we don't know for sure yet, jake, is if there will even be a vote on her future. it's leaning in that direction. it looks possible that house minority leader kevin mccarthy will put it in the hands of his conference members to decide cheney's fate. at this point it is an open question as to what her future holds. >> it appears republicans, ryan, will not strip congresswoman greene of her committee assignments, which has happened in the past for democrats and republicans when they've violated basic societal norms. so, ultimately, democrats are going to vote on the matter. >> that certainly seems to be the way it's shaping up. house minority leader kevin mccarthy has worked feverishly the past 24 hours to try to come up with some sort of compromise, perhaps removing greene from only one committee, putting her on a different committee. part

cheney at times was berated. cheney berated by her colleagues last night at the meeting for taking a vote of conscience on the former president. as for greene, she was given a standing ovation by some. we're live following all of it on capitol hill. also where does the covid relief bill stand and president biden's first major foreign policy speech comes later today. let's go to our colleague lauren fox on the hill. good morning to you, lauren. the republican leader punting and punting on punishing marjorie taylor greene. where do things stand this morning? >> well, exactly. he's essentially telling house democrats to move ahead with their resolution. they will bring to the floor this afternoon. it will force every single republican member to make a stand on whether or not they think that their colleague should be able to stay on the committees that she serves on. that's the education committee and the budget committee. this is really an unprecedented move that democrats are going toward because they are arguing i

why is liz cheney in so much trouble? >> because she is the star voice of the impeachment managers' case. >> but that's not her fault. >> reporter: well, no, but it's what she's going to be punished for potentialer h clear, unequivocal denunciation of the former president's conduct up to and on january 6th is probably more direct and more forceful s. and because she is everything a small-c conservative is supposed to stand for rings more clearly to a lot of people on that side of the aisle. it makes her vote so powerful and her voice so important on that one issue. she's everything that conservatives like, you moe, mitch mcconnell, who is nobody's idea of a resistance hero, to come out and strongly backing liz cheney as a voice that needs to be in the political discussion right now, the same sort of conservative credentials that makes her condemnation so dangerous to those who want him to continue to be the face of this party now and into the future. >> matthew, if it weren't so scary and trainingic and did say so helpful

what mcconnell said about liz cheney, and what kevin mccarthy said about liz cheney, look, i support, but i also have concerns. i do think she has a lot of questions she has to answer to the conference. are we really seeing, is kevin mccarthy going to punish liz cheney and not marjorie taylor greene? >> i don't personally see how he does that now but he has been absolutely silent on marjorie taylor greene. we've heard from -- we finally confirmed at the very end of last week on a late friday night that he was actually going to sit down and meet with her. they haven't detailed when that meeting is going to take place. what his message is going to be. and he's getting a lot of pressure from democrats to remove her from those committees. the democrats are moving forward, perhaps, with this resolution on the floor to do that. but what they're telling us, democratic sources, is that is a way to put pressure on mccarthy to act on his own. we know the number two democrat steny hoyer smoke with mccarthy about getting her off of those two committees but mccarthy hasn't said anything publicly,

liz cheney and marjorie taylor greene. but here are the numbers that i'm looking at. 139 republicans voted to challenge the electoral college back on january 6. that's almost the same number, 145, that behind closed doors voted to protect liz cheney. and i think those votes are entirely inconsistent. how can you be someone who wants to overturn the electoral college, very trumpian, and then turn around behind closed doors and support cheney? >> who vote today impeach trump. >> the answer is who is watching. it depends who is watching. if you think you can get away with a vote of conscience, i.e., protect can cheney, then you do it. now we come full circle to tonight where in the plain light of day, what do the republicans do? all but 11 to appease the base, they lined up. and, by the way, the early polling data axios today suggests that cheney is less popular than marjorie taylor greene. so that explains it with the base. >> okay. yeah, it explains, i suppose, in a way that deeply confuses me in so many ways. but let me as

. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that's up to cpac. i've been clear on my views about president trump and the extent to which -- on january 6, i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party. >> on that high note, thank you all very much. >> god, what a -- whew, awkward, awkward. this is where the party of lincoln is today. more upset, upset over mean tweets than the big lie. interesting, and sad. chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is here. kaitlan, it's been a minute. haven't seen you. good to see you. >> i know. >> you have new reporting on president biden's pick neera tanden. are they holding out hope? >> reporter: they are holding out hope, one republican vote, the democrat from arizona who has not said how she's going to vote. they seem to think she will vote yes on her, so they need lisa murkowski or some other republican to get her across the finish line. we heard staff say they are fighting their hearts out to get her confirmed. it is still a big question. it seems really unlikely if you talk

liz cheney, unfortunately, is a minor voice.dam kinzinger are about the only ones who have stepped up. it's clear she's swimming against the grain and the party is no longer the way she describes it. >> i feel like kooks lets them off scot-free. they're aligned with the groups pa participated in donald trump's call to storm the capitol are white supremacists, racists. >> indeed. >> they're throwing down with racists. >> well, some of them are kooks and crabpots. the qanon theories are pretty out there, but you bring up a good point. i've been reading literature about what happened after lincoln was assassinated and some of the mistakes, when you don't hold people accountable for misdeeds. what the republican party is doing, is they are falling victim to worrying about a base that is stoke in white grievance, stoked in racism, this idea of the illegitimacy of the last election is disenfranchising 34i8 onand millions of black voters in philadelphia, detroit, atlanta. let's not be naive about what's really going on here. they're qu

. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that's up to cpac. i've been clear on my views about president trump. i don't think that he should be playing a role in the future of the party or the country. >> on that high note thank you very much. >> that was pretty amazing to see that. >> i have to say, i'm actually pretty proud of liz cheney for standing up and sticking to her guns on this. she is pretty much making it clear that i don't see eye to eye with leader mccarthy and i am going to continue to state that the president no longer has a place in the party. i think it's really important

first of all, liz cheney was saved by a secret ballot. those 61 votes would have been a hell of a lot higher if it had been in the light of day. it allowed republicans to exhibit their beer muscles among colleagues, talk tough, please the base, then go behind the curtain and vote their conscience for what's in the party's best interests. i think that the big picture is they're dopes. i mean, do they really want a public record tomorrow of how they stand on marjorie taylor-greene? if they had disciplined her in their own house they could not then therefore have been held accountable the way they will tomorrow. chris, i want you to think about something. you might not think this apples to apples but 61 republican house members were willing to vote against liz cheney behind closed doors. do you remember the number 147? that was how many republican house members were challenging the electoral college votes on that infamous day of january 6th. i think it's a similar mindset. what i'm pointing out to you is the difference how they act behind cl

and so, liz cheney, obviously, is facing a lot of heat. he's trying to give her some cover.e for republicans to boot her for the one person to face any consequences for what happened on january 6th to be liz cheney and not the president. so, i think he's trying to move us along. i hope that it is helpful. i wish that more republicans would be standing up for liz cheney right now. >> so, brendan, you mentioned marjorie taylor greene as well, and there was another statement from mcconnell yesterday night, where he called her conspiracy theories loony lies and labeled her a cancer. i mean, those are incredibly strong words, not words that kevin mccarthy, the house leader, has used. you've been behind the scenes in these rooms with mccarthy. you know him well. i know from my reporting, mcconnell and mccarthy don't necessarily have -- how to put it gently -- mcconnell runs things a little differently than mccarthy runs things. how do you think mccarthy's strength or weakness in dealing with this is going to affect how this plays out? >> yeah, you know, there are factions of the h

. >> congresswoman cheney? >> that's up to cpac. i have been clear in my views about president trump and the extent to which -- the extent to which -- on january 6th. i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party in this country. >> on that high note, thank you all very much. >> god, what a -- oo-hoo-hoo, awkward. awkward. this is where the party of lincoln is today, more upset, upset over mean tweets than the big lie. interesting, huh? and sad. chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is here. kaitlan, it has been a minute. i haven't seen you. good to see you. >> reporter: i know. >> you have new reporting tonight on president biden's pick for budget director, neera tanden. is the white house still holding out hope or do they see the writing on the wall here? >> reporter: they're holding out hope, saying they just have to get one republican vote. that means they think kirsten sen ma, twho has not said how se is going to vote. they near one other to vote to get her across the finish line. we heard the

cheney defended herself speaking to her gop colleagues in a closed door meeting. she did not apologize, and she said she was protecting the constitution while voting her conscience with the impeachment vote and the gop leader in the house california's kevin mccarthy did back cheney earlier today saying that she has the right to vote her conscience. a new study shows that in 2020 young adults were the main drivers of the covid-19 pandemic. >>tonight our kron forced to us in austin hernia gives us a closer look at the study and what local health officials say about these findings. >>the journal science published a study wednesday showing up people ages 20 to 49, are the main spreaders of covid-19 in the united states researchers over at imperial college london collected cell phone data from more than 10 million people and found a through the end of summer last year 65% of new cases were in people ages 20 to 49 one schools reopened in october that number jumped to 72%. now according to the researchers in the study adults aged 20 to 49 not actually have more contact w

apparently liz cheney didn't go into this blind.whip count on the opponents and her team, they knew that -- well at least a fair amount of confidence that she could secure at least 142 votes. so, by the way mccarthy comment was not forthcoming. they did ask for a comment for this axios article and he declined to do so. but going forward, does this in some ways almost empower liz cheney, maybe not with kevin mccarthy but with other republicans across the country who may self describe as republicans and not trumpians. >> well, for sure it does. it absolutely empowers her with people that agree with her. that is -- that goes to the core of the divide in the republican party right now. is there are what perhaps we could start calling the cheney wing, and then there is the other side, the trumpian wing. and what mccarthy has done in the last week or two is try to show that the republican party has a tent that is large enough for both but it is not clear how long that tent could stay -- as a structure, alex. it's just -- the divide in the

that's what liz cheney is referring to. the grassroots aren't looking at that. we have 85% who think that the president shouldn't be tried in any type of impeachment proceeding. taking both of those together, you can see why liz is angry, but you can see why i'm not that optimistic going into 2022. >> and never mind the hours they couldn't find president trump and he didn't call it off and he let his republicans and democrats hide and cower for their lives. that story has yet to be told in its entirety, exactly what he was doing while they were calling him on his cell phone, begging for their lives and begging him to send in backup. i wanted to ask you something else, denver, about what liz cheney said about the wyoming republican party. she said -- basically, she said, they're mistaken. they believe that black lives matter and antifa were behind what happened at the capitol. i mean, how wildly ill-informed is that? and why are they not critical thinkers? what's happened to the republican party in wyoming if they believe th

. >> can be seamless liz cheney's poll numbers? the one thing i will say is i am sure she has a lot of bipartisan support, because if it is one thing she and joe biden want to do is bound the middle east. everything else is a disaster. everything out -- else is just the kind of policies that put the republican party in a position where they needed a donald trump. seriously, liz cheney enter politics are only slightly less popular than her father is at equivalent. -- at a quail hunt. what? fact checkers, fact checkers, please have edits. fact check true. right? like i said, liz cheney hates donald trump and his policies because her family has a long history of friendly fire, but she also hates them because she is tied to an establishment that has done nothing but fail us time and time again. you heard the rhetoric and now you have seen that change very quickly, because if there is one thing the republican party has been really good at over the past few decades is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. they caved to every special

they're meeting tomorrow to discuss liz cheney's future. cheney. they have no problem slamming her all of the time because she stood up to trump's big lie about election fraud and voted to hold him accountable for the capitol riot and so this is how her fellow republicans have absolutely no problem publicly talking about her. >> how can you even call yourself a representative when you don't represent the will of the people? >> i don't think she should be the chair of the republican conference anymore. the reality is she's not representing the conference. she's not representing the republican ideals. >> she's not representing the trump republican ideals. not a whole lot of outrage over marjorie taylor-greene in the house. plenty over liz cheney and it should come as no surprise because the apples on this do not fall far from the trump tree. >>> we've got to get rid of the weak congress people, the ones that aren't any good. the liz cheneys of the world. >> manu raju is out front live on capitol hill and what are you learning about this meeting that

and liz cheney that represents a moderate established, i can't believe anyone with the name cheney representse the republican party can get out from under the shadow of president trump and move forward into the light. fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, politically speaking, jim jordan, kevin mccarthy are probably playing the more winning hand in this. the republican party is very much still the party of donald j. trump. >> i have said it before, i will say it again. i honestly think, david, in the real world jim jordan, matt gaetz have more power, more shot at speaker in many ways than mccarthy. mccarthy, the pain in his face, awkward, putting me in awkward position, liz cheney, please stop. he doesn't control anything in the party. here is who controls it. politico had a consult with a primary poll. trump, 54%. game over. >> that's absolutely right. what you see in kevin mccarthy is someone desperate to be speaker of the house. he thought he was going to be speaker when boehner resigned, the conference including myself didn't support him. everything he has done since is to cobble

how do you feel about liz cheney?ve all of these issues of the day to the house. >> i think we will leave everything to the house to the members of the house caucus. i believe that there. >> sandra: when it comes to senator marjorie taylor greene, karl rove says she's a problem for the party. the party needs to deal with it. what are your thoughts? >> i'm going to leave all of this about the house to the house. >> sandra: you don't have a stand either way? >> you know, sandra, i will let them deal with issues in front of them today. we will all leave this at the house leadership. >> sandra: you are a sitting u.s. senator and you should probably have a thought on it. >> i'm going to leave all of this to the house. i know they are working through this. >> john: let me ask you something, senator, i wish i would know you would have an opinion, the legislation you introduced the feathers to strip dod funding states to allow immigrant, illegal immigrants to obtain driver's license. this is this top green lighting for illega

but you're not going to hear liz cheney apologize. it was a vote of conscience.hip did not whip this vote, meaning they didn't ask people to get in line one way or another. she voted her conscience. there's no way she's going to apologize for what she considers to be a vote of conscience. >> you know, i do not think we will be hearing that she said that to house republicans. gloria, great reporting. thanks for sharing it with us. we're going to have gloria stand by because soon we are going to take the white house briefing live as soon as it begins. we're expecting an update on efforts to pass this much-needed covid relief bill. so stand by for that. >>> plus, the fbi raided the homes of two men who held a pro-trump rally near the capitol the day before the riot. what are investigators looking for? >>> i just have a couple of items for you all at the top. i was a little worried about getting that mask off with the earrings. successful, good start. today president biden joined the house democratic caucus meeting by phone to discuss the american rescue plan. the pr