cheney: i think it has to change.hat i see right now in the house, for example, the way that the house of representatives should work is that we ought to actually be legislating. we ought to actually have committee hearings, mark up bills and amendments. we ought to have debates about those on the floor of the house so people can make decisions about what they want to support. what we have seen for the first three months this year has not been that. it has been a rule that has allowed the democrats to bring to the floor $1.9 trillion spending bills with limited committee hearings, amendment debate times, i think it was an hour of debate. that's not conducive to bipartisanship, and it's not conducive to actually moving the ball forward. the republicans certainly engage in partisanship as well. i think, and i hope that because of the seriousness of the issues that are facing the country, and because i think it's clear that the american people want us to get things done and they want us to work together and they want us

tonight's guest is representative liz cheney. she serves as wyoming's loan member of congress in the u.s. house of representatives. she was elected on a platform of restoring america's strength in the world and pursuing conservative solutions to create jobs, cut taxes and regulation, and ask and america's energy, -- expand america's energy, mining, and agricultural industries. she is the chair of the house republican caucus, the third ranking republican in the house of representatives. this conversation will be moderated by the executive director of the institute of politics and public service. please join in the conversation by using #cheneyatgu on social media. for those in the zoom room, you can submit questions using the q&a button at the bottom of the screen. >> thanks, sophie. i appreciate the introduction and all of your leadership during your time at georgetown. thank you for all that you do. i want to thank everyone for joining us tonight for what i inc. is going to be an interesting and timely conversation. the congress

and will republican congresswoman liz cheney run for president in 2024? the new interview that has plenty of people speculating this morning. ♪ >>> a very good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, april 27th. we're about to get some new guidance from president biden on mask wearing outdoors. these are new rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated americans. plus, what activities we may be able to resume which i know we're all looking forward to p. this comes ahead of the president's first address to congress tomorrow night. as of this morning, nearly 29% of americans are fully vaccinated. more than 42% have received at least one shot. want to get straight to the white house and bring in john harwood. what are we expecting from the president today and kind of why? why are we getting this today, the day before the joint address? >> john, we're expecting the president to once again demonstrate the strategy that's guided him throughout the first 100 days, which is make modest promises, make damn sure you can meet t

>> yes, he should. >> congresswoman cheney, that's up to cpac. i've been clear about president trump and the extent to which following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party for this country. >> reporter: a source told cnn mccarthy remains furious with cheney and this week we declined to back her up. >> is cheney still a good fit for your leadership team? >> that's a question for the conference. >> reporter: and the number two steve scalise makes it clear he's not in agreement with chainy. >> president trump is still a very active part of our party and very vocal leader in our party. >> reporter: so cheney does still have ample allies within the house republican conference, including those who voted to impeach donald trump like anthony gonzalez of ohio when i spoke with this afternoon. he told me if a pre-requisite for leading our conference is lying to our voters then liz is not the best fit. jake. >> >> that's exactly the issue. manu raju, thanks so much. appreciate it. there's even more going on in t

cheney's husband of 52 years, dick cheney, to please stand up. vice president cheney. [ applause ] thank you so much for coming. it means a lot to me and a lot to lynne. well, i'm honored to introduce this morning's distinguished speaker. and when i called her last year to invite her, she said gay, am i the only speaker who hasn't won a pulitzer prize? i said yes, but you're the only speaker who is chairman of the national endowment of the humanities for seven years. and you're the only speaker who was second lady of the united states of america for eight years. [ applause ] if you google dr. cheney, you will be blown away by all of her awards and accomplishments. but as always i'm not going to list all of that, i expect you to do that. but while she was head of neh, she published "american memory," a report that warned about the failure of schools and institutions of higher learning to transmit accurate knowledge about the past to future generations. she said, quote, a system of education that fails to nurture memory of the past denies students

cheney has not ruled out the presidency. would you like to roll out a liz cheney option?on trying to direct the republican party in a different direction. here's the one thing i would say about those poll numbers, if you have 35% for donald trump and people not splitting up the trump gop vote in a republican primary, i don't have to tell you what happens to who might be the nominee, because trumpism hasn't left the party. we saw in 2016 when different candidates like marco rubio and ted cruz went through their "i'm going to try to be trump phase," we found out they're not as good as acting like donald trump than donald trump is acting like donald trump. i think the party still has a huge challenge. liz cheney is waving her arms desperately for the party to deal with it and deal with it now. i didn'tly. >> eugene daniels and robert gibbs, we will return. >>> we're talking about the pentagon. we'll tell you about it after a quick break. pentagon we'll tell you about it after a quick break. and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply

liz cheney made clear she's not afraid of donald trump. to win, they have to focus on issues and substance. the last four years we've been covering a personality more than substance and issues. >> liz cheney is taking a substantive attack like joe biden is doing, moving beyond the former president. there's a dynamic of a republican winning their former primaries and that's where the former president can be a huge problem for republicans. if he gets engaged in primary fights, incumbents or the candidate who other republican leaders think have a better chance of winning in the general election, could go down. that is the former president kind of really taking a torch to the former party and trying to blow it up and insert his own wins as he sees fit. but then there's the general election, where the seats that are going to be on the line are not the most conservative seats this have the strong trump support. but it's going to be the swing districts, these purple districts that are going to have to be won from democrats. and that is not where

look, liz cheney certainly wants that for the republican party. the republican party wants that at all. i think there is definitely a strain of the party that is much more focused on issues like cancel culture, much more focused on whether or not the lie that joe biden is trying to ban "b" for whatever it is. they're much more focused on those issues than they are on policy. what we found and what we've seen in recent months is a lot of things i think republicans thought might animate the base, like the issue of whether joe biden might raise taxes on businesses or even immigration, they have not resonated the same way with the republican base. that's been a problem for them. it's been hard for them to create a loyal opposition against biden and the democrats on policy. i'm not sure that what liz cheney is saying is going to happen is actually going to happen because they're much more interested in things like whether or not people are being canceled on twitter or on facebook for being conservative. >> just to remind people, josh hawley was the per

but liz cheney is ahead of the curve.e success so far of joe biden, the acceptance in the polls of his programs if we look at the insurrection, the populist not buying the big lie that the republicans are still going back to with this nonsense in arizona and you look at those numbers that i talked about, if you go forward 12 months, his grip on the party is going to loosen more. his latest approval rating, 32%. when he was in office, he was hovering, 42, 43. three months later it's dropped ten points. donald trump i believe in the future as the democrats get more and more wind in their backs, i think his grip loosens, i do. the problem with politicians most can only take snapshots of today and can't look at tomorrow. >> that's true. i want to show all of you an interview that george stephanopoulos did with vice president kamala harris this morning. let's watch. >> senator tim scott said last night that america is not a racist country, do you agree with that? what do you make of his warning about fighting discrimination wi

but cheney is taking a completely different tact than mccarthy. if the department of justice should prosecute donald trump for his role on january 6. she saids that up to the department of justice. so leaving open the idea that trump should be prosecuted and all the things agreeing on, it is stunning how split this leadership team is. >> it is remarkable. >> as they look forward to 2022, it is a challenge to see everybody on the same page of elections. how do you think that will play out between the cheney wing and trump wing and the parties? >> cheney has her own political situation. we talked about that on an interview that we'll post. the larger question is, how involved does donald trump get in these primaries. not only cheneys primary's and does he back candidates that will not win. what kind of candidate does he support? frankly, i can't overstate this enough, having someone like cheney in the leadership speaking out vocally against the people that most in the party is the leader is a distraction. i'm not passing judge either way but it is t

liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> liz cheney -- >> pregnant pause there. >> yeah, exactlyonstitution. it's easy for her. let's see if every republican can do that. >> trump and i we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god i hate it. from my point of view h

he sent one out this afternoon attacking liz cheney. wyoming and has so little support that she's looking for a way out of her congressional race. based on all polling there is no way she can win. she'll either be another lobbyist or maybe embarrass her family by running for president in order to save face. of course, cheney does not engage with the former president on any level, but she has made it clear that she thinks the future of the republican party should do everything they possibly can to remoove donald trump from that vision. >> he also called her a warmongering fool. joining us are dana bash and john kasich. dana, trump slamming liz cheney not much of a surprise. what is a bit of a surprise, however, is the distance that kevin mccarthy seems to have started to put between himself and liz cheney. is she on a bit of an island here as josh hawley is claiming? >> well, certainly that's what the former president is trying to do, but they're certainly making it an elevated island by continuing to talk about her, especially this stat

is there room for both mccarthy and cheney to be in house gop leadership? >> no.rt term they will still both be in leadership. she just had a vote in the conference and they voted to keep her, but this really feels untenable to me. i don't think they both can last in leadership. this is the lowest their relationship has been and it's been low in the past, but, you know, ironically after this whole meeting and this whole conference designed around unity and getting on the same page, i would argue mccarthy and cheney are farther apart than they have ever been and a little bit of background why we're seeing mccarthy go after chainy in a real public way is because he got a lot of flack from the trump wing of the party after he went to bat for cheney and tried to help save her, and he's been paying the price ever since, and so he felt sort of burned every time that she would, you know, double down on her criticism of trump at these public press conferences and the last time they had this really awkward clash at a press conference on february 25th was the last time they

>> yesterday he said he thought liz cheney was on an island of her own.f those senators who led the charge to invalidate the election. one of the things cheney was making the point of earlier in her comments this week is anyone who was part of that really should be disqualified from running for higher office, holly firing back. i want the read exactly what he said. quote, this is somebody who has no support in her own caucus, who has hung her own members out to dry over and over. i think she's on an island. of course, cheney is one of the republicans who voted to impeach donald trump in the house, one of the very few republicans who decided to make that vote. and i think that one of the things to keep in mind here is that, yes, cheney is in a different place in the house conference, but she's not necessarily the only person who has these visions. she's one of the only people willing to speak out about it right now. >> it's so interesting to hear what house speaker kevin mccarthy has said about cheney's leadership position because she's number three in the

there was nor condemnation for liz cheney than there was among her colleagues for the insurrectionistsbased on the big lie. and so she spoke out against that. she was one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach. she's the highest ranking gop woman in the house. the only woman in her party's leadership and the only woman to cast a vote for impeachment. what was the response? to try to censure her instead of trying to really disabuse republicans of the big lie. but just as i guess people like marjorie taylor greene and josh hawley have been able to raise money off the big lie, you see liz cheney raising money for speaking truth to power and really standing in the truth and not, you know, really succumbing to the trumpism that still seems to dominate the party. >> and that record fundraising haul is interesting because what it does do is suggest to those establishment republicans who have not gone along with the big lie and there are some, they are few, but there are some, that there might be a different center of gravity growing in the republican party. >> absolutely. and, look, th

john ruther ford chastising cheney for not being a quote team player.eney apologize to which the congresswoman responded, i cannot do that. there's also a quote from jeff duncan that stuck out to me where she did not display humility. take us behind the scenes and what do you make of the comments that people had to say about liz cheney after she stood up and quite frankly what so many of them were unwilling to do, which was to criticize and take it, take the criticism, from former president trump. >> well, first of all, i was so proud of my friend liz cheney, when she did stand up. you know, even before january 6th, and saying, you know, in attacking the lies about the election. and then of course, after in supporting impeachment. which i did also. and also, other brave colleagues who did that, and obviously incurred the wrath of donald trump. but i would like to point out that those men that you quoted, and i did hear about that in realtime, were in the minority. and people like matt gaetz and those other people that you quoted who were attacking liz e

liz cheney is a real conservative.also a fighter. >> and there's more from draper's piece, male gop lawmakers harshly criticized congresswoman liz cheney during that conference meeting over her decision to vote to impeachment trump. several of the comments were decidedly sexist and sparked outrage among gop women in washington. one such comment has generated particular outrage. pennsylvania congressman mike kelly reportedly said, quote, you look up into the stands and you see your girlfriend on the opposition side. that's one hell of a tough thing to swallow. >> according to the times, a female colleague yelled in response, she's not your girlfriend! but the comment quickly spread among the female gop circles. i would think some men were shocked by this too. in other comments, congresswoman ralph norman insisted that cheney has a, quote, defiant attitude and congressman john rutherford chastised cheney for not being, quote, a team player. the conference meeting went so far as to have several members requesting that che

it risked getting the liz cheney treatment.alled attention to the fact that most of them were not. a writer at large for the "new york times" magazine joins me now. robert, one thing that came through in the great piece as i was reading it and it's something that i think you have tweeted about, is that i think a lot of us who, you know, consume media across all sorts of landscapes and are not steeped in right wing media. donald trump is off twitter and he is not in the white house and gives an interview and does not make news. he vanished and does not loom large. but at the grassroots represent are -- republican level, he is still looming large. tell me what you found in the reporting of the piece? all right, i think his audio is out. we have been having a little bit of audio difficulties and i believe robert draper could not hear me. i think i could not hear him so i think what we will do is this, iknow we took a breaker already, we are going to with go to break and get it fixed, don't go anywhere, i will be back in a moment,

this shows me that liz cheney is an incredible political figure. she's not only a woman in the boys club of gop leadership but she's one that can take on trump and win. we had a lot of people who wanted to take on trump but they decide it's too hard, throw up their hands, they resign, and she said, no. i'm going to stand my ground and be here standing here longer than you. >> i have to say, the way they chose to go after her, though, the reference to seeing a girlfriend in the stands, the reference that robert keeps on referring to in his article about her attitude, it felt to me about this criticism you hear in society, they need to smile more. it felt like that to me amanda. >> yeah. this is her just not falling in line and waving the red flag. it's the tribal partisan politics where we back our team no matter what. why we're in such a terrible place. and there's a feeling, you hear it expressed by people like josh hawley, for example who objected to the certification of biden's election, which was the kindle that sparked the insurrection, saying

liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> liz cheney -- >> pregnant pause there. >> yeah, exactly. like i'm not sure what to do with that. liz cheney staying the course when it comes to her defense of the u.s. constitution. it's easy for her. let's see if every republican can do that. >> trump and i we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god i hate it. from my point of view he's been a consequential president, but today first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> i'm doing a golf tournament where president trump this sunday, may 2nd, in my campaign is going to auction a slot off to play in this tournament. you have lunch, you have breakfast with president trump. you get a photo. you play at his golf course in florida. it's going to be a lot of fun. >> a tale, willie of two characters. >> that is so painful. >> they had the strongest of convictions. they had the weakest of convictions. >> unfortunately there are a lot more lindsey grahams than there are liz cheneys. in fact two or three liz cheneys in this case. adam kinzinger

liz cheney discusses the future of the republican party and the conservative movement. she is speaking at the georgetown university institute of politics. these events will be online at c-span.org or you can listen live on the free c-span radio app. joining us is lisa mascaro, the chief congressional correspondent for the associated press. lawmakers back in washington this week to meet on infrastructure, a bipartisan meeting. is there room for compromise between the democrats and republicans? guest: good morning, steve. that will be a fascinating meeting at the white house. president joe biden has been reaching out, trying to court republicans over his infrastructure plan. they say it is all talk and no action. they see what happens on the covid relief bill, where he had one meeting with republican senators, and then had democrats passed the relief bill on their own. there is a lot of skepticism coming into this meeting. yet, at the same time, this has been a kind of issue were all sides can come together. everybody needs roads and bridges and broadband across communiti

that's different from what liz cheney is saying. she is out there, with maybe a handful of other elected-republican officials, who are trying to put the squeeze on the former president. because they believe that is the only-viable path for the gop. >> dana bash, paul begala, thank you. amazing times. >>> more breaking news next. president biden is set to announce new-cdc guidance on mask use tomorrow but it's not expected to apply to every american. we have breaking details, when we continue. through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. and we never upcharge you for high quality. harry's. available in store and at harrys.com. and that ending was so intense. i know, i didn't even see it coming. are you gonna watch? eventually! you know the drill. (humming) never fea

liz cheney versus maga.ude is still with us as well. >> it's very interesting, that clip, of course, upset an awful lot of republicans. yet, we played a clip early in the show where kevin mccarthy was blaming donald trump for january the 6th. kevin mccarthy was saying that there must be consequences after january the 6th. the only difference between mccarthy and liz cheney in this case is that liz has been consistent with what she said since january 6th. kevin hasn't. >> i think that's right, joe. mccarthy has been consistent in his ambition, which is to be the speaker of the house. his theory of the case is he can't become one, the republican house can't regain the majority if he does not appease donald trump, if he doesn't tamp down trump's anger. liz cheney has the opposite point of view, which is the party simply cannot move on, cannot be a viable party unless it renounces trump, a person who attempted to overturn a democratically held election, and make the party about what it was before trump came on t

one of those people is liz cheney. she got a fist bump from president biden. a handshake from mitch mcconnell. you can see him there. she's in the next couple of rows here. what stood out to me, in some ways, the tone of the room was less partisan than it often is. instead of the focus being on the more outrageous characters of our politics, which has driven the last four years, it was much more interested in people interested in seriously governing. what was your take? >> i was not in the room like you were but watching it on the screen, it was just a stark difference of the most recent state of the unions or joint addresses that we have seen. one under president trump and even going back to president obama as well where partisanship was just visceral and so in the air. last night, i don't know if it was because there were fewer people in the room or it was just after january 6, what the country has gone through and president biden addressed it so eloquently but it did have a much different feel that politics is getting back to normal. politics is more about

i think liz cheney is thinking about bigger things.y. she's not shy about how she feels about donald trump. internally now, republicans in the house have a problem. do they keep her as a leader or not? >> what do you think, governor kasich? >> well, if they throw her out, that would be the dumbest thing in the world. look, she has a right to have an opinion about donald trump. the guy cost them the senate, the house. he couldn't win those seats down in georgia. what the heck are we talking about here? i think she's very rational. i think she is not shy about expressing herself. frankly, at the end of the day it's about being honest with yourself and looking at yourself in the mirror and feeling good about it. that's what i think this is all about. good luck to her. i'd love to go and campaign for her. i'd either campaign for or against her, whatever would help her to win. >> gloria, you have new reporting on the former vice president mike pence. >> mike pence is somebody out there who is in a way while embracing donald trump, he's also

that's different from what liz cheney is saying.is out there with maybe a hand full of other elected republican officials who are trying to put the squeeze on the former president because they believe that is the only viable path for the gop. >> dana bash, paul, thank you. amazing times. >>> more breaking news next, president biden is set to announce new cdc guidance on mask use tomorrow but not expected to apply every american. breaking details when we continue. ♪ ♪ it's the biggest thing that ever happened to small. visit your local mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional lease and financing offers. [typing sound] i had this hundred thousand dollar student debt. two hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars in debt. ah, sofi literally changed my life. it was the easiest application process. sofi made it so there's no tradeoff between my dreams and paying student loans. student loans don't have to take over for the rest of your life. thank you for allowing me to get my money right. thank you for allowing me when i'm on my hands and kne

well that is exactly what happened and that's why i wrote that piece in 2010 because dick cheney was saying these these lawyers should not be doing this. mrs this is wrong they shouldn't be representing these people and it really made me angry so i wrote much of what jodi says when the journalist comes to see her which is that when i represented murderers there are people who raped little babies nobody accused me of being like them all of a sudden i'm like my clients and i ended it by saying that if dick cheney or any of these other people who are accusing me found themselves on the wrong side of the law i hope there's a lawyer to represent them and we still have the rule of law in this country which at that time concerned me i mean kevin some people who will watch this film wasn't even alive in that $911.00 not the chilean one of his if you tax on the world trade center and the pentagon what why you said we are all living in the shadow of 911 almost all of our history of the last 20 years in some way has been affected by it not by 911 and i think that we can see the wars in the midd

liz cheney's going to be there whether the odds look bad or good.xt to you in a bar fight. i like defiant. i like somebody who thinks truth and facts are the things you need to stand on and i think if you're in that bar fight, looking at the type of people that you have, i think liz would be shoulder to shoulder with me when i was trying to get a bad person out of there. i think the people like matt gaetz, they're going to look for the nearest spring breakers and go hide behind them. that's the difference. i'll take liz cheney in a bar fight every day and you can have the matt gaetzs and all those individuals and if you have people in congress saying she's defiant or saying, oh my goodness, she wasn't humble enough? the issue is that you had a lot of wrong people standing on the shoulders of stupidity when it came to stop the steal and i think it's ridiculous you have individuals saying she's defiant when she's talking about the constitution and i'll take defiant over boot lickers any day. >> well, and phil rucker, it's so upside down and backwards,

is liz cheney saying let matt gaetz know it was me? >> or maybe she's just saying look at these chickens coming home to roost, right? this is that kind of a thing. what's fascinating about this, roger stone's tactics and strategies have often proved to work, surpriseingly, only thing to contribute it to is white privilege but in this instance it's continuing to backfire. what i noticed about the press conference from the former gaetz staffer, he happened to mention he offers free services around military advisory work while he's in the private sector. i don't know if they've never heard of congressional ethics but may be concerned citizens out there want to call to report an inappropriate gift, right? there are these kind of things happening. so sometimes when you find yourself trying to clean up a mess, you create more mess. fact he was in florida state legislature opposing revenge porn while showing off videos of naked women on his phone, also problematic, he's talking about he's not a monk. sir, we know, just trying to figure out if

cheney was not in attendance, but reports are that trump praised the people who attended his rally that sparked the capitol riot. and attacked the republicans who refused to go along with his false claims about a stolen election. a source tells nbc news he told senate minority leader mitch mcconnell a dumb son of a "b" and a stone-cold loser. and said, quote, a real leader would have never accepted the electoral results. he also attacked georgia governor brian kemp, who stood by georgia's a results. trump said he was, quote,

sam, a question about liz cheney. it is not on liz cheney or the democratic party to fix this.here being really effectively fixed just by outside forces. it always needs a partner on the inside. my question is who is that going to be? >> i don't have a cinematic reference to offer you. i don't think it will be liz cheney. at this point in 2009, the tea party movement was not thriving but on its way to thriving. they had held a bunch of tax day protests across the country, they were joined by top republican leaders at those protests, i believe, our esteemed guest michael steele may have gone to one of those. there's a reason no such movement is happening now. part of it is there hasn't been appetite to do any form of autopsy. the other thing is it is a cult personality. by that i mean the base, movement, much of the republican infrastructure and lawmakers are waiting to see what trump will do, talk queues from trump. saw that with nikki haley saying she wouldn't run for president if trump dipped his toes in the ring. this is what happens when a party is based on personality and

afterward you were saying goodbye to doctor rice you told her she should've listened to vice president cheney either. my questions, senator biden, is why not? >> they been wrong in every major decision relative to the when the statute came down. chris: what specifically will you do to provide universal coverage to the 30 million people who are uninsured? >> that is not the issue. chris: that's not an issue? i even interviewed tony when he became bush 43 white house press secretary. >> over the seven plus years is there one show, one sunday that stands out? >> september 11, the united states had a name of ambition tempered by piety and we want for a nation with friends and we are again today. chris: and in 2008, we pay tribute to tony when we lost

liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> okay.palmer. good morning to you. it's great to see you. i know you guys have some reporting this morning about this very fight that is playing out, the impeachment ramifications, the split between those who are willing to continue to have donald trump be a leader in the party and the handful of folks who have not. what's going on? >> yeah, the rift that continues giving when you're reporting, but certainly there was a big debate as you well know among corporate america after the january 6th insurrection about whether or not to support those republicans who voted against certifying the ele ecedo cut off their campaign contributions. what we're reporting this morning is it didn't really matter. the first quarter financials are coming out, and some of those republicans that really led the charge there are raising money hand over fist. josh hawley raised $3 million in the first quarter, marjorie taylor greene, the republican from georgia raised $3.1 million. that was her first quarter in the h

and my hat is off to liz cheney. i have been there. it's a tough place to be.ink she's done the right thing. and she doesn't back down at all. and frankly, if she's to survive, i think it will be because she's not equivocating now. so she's done the right thing. the party, the republican party, desperately needs people like liz cheney if we're going to be a force in the future. so i'm glad she's holding on. i'm glad she's speaking out. and my guess is she is more than used to these kind of cat calls or whatever you want to call them from the back seats. but she's in leadership. she's doing the right thing. i'm glad she is where she is. >> i think a lot of women are used to hearing those sort of things, but you point out, you have been there. you kind of know what that feels like to be on the outside of your own party. and look where you are. you're no longer in congress. she's holding on, but i just wonder, when you talk about the strength of the republican party moving forward, do you see signs of these people who are so adamantly against the republican party

steve scalise, the minority whip, does not appreciate what liz cheney has been saying.day. >> i know the media likes making a lot out of some of the conversations when maybe liz cheney takes some direct swipes at president trump. president trump is still a very active part of our party and a vocal leader in our party. >> yeah, i mean, he's team trump. >> oh, he is. and there are lots of grumbling on the republican side about liz cheney, who is quick to criticize donald trump whenever she can. she believes he should not run for president again, for example. and their point is that either you're in the leadership and we're with donald trump or you're not in the leadership if you're against donald trump. and there is a sense, and i was just talking to one republican today about it, there is a sense, they like kevin mccarthy, and there's a sense that she is putting kevin mccarthy in a tough spot, where he has to choose between cheney, whom he has defended in the past, and donald trump, whom he has also defended in the past, as you know. so, it brings the party's disagreemen

but what liz cheney is doing here is really interesting.t reads donald trump from the republican party because she believes that that is what the party needs to move forward. she also knows, she's in the small minority in the republican party. she does not represent the majority point of view whether among republican voters or even republican elected members in congress. as you noted, she is only one of ten to vote to impeach the president in the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection. but her taking on senators like cruz and holly, p eople who may really run in 2024 and calling disqualifying their support for that electoral college count rejection challenge, if you will, again, not necessarily a majority view inside the republican party. but one that liz cheney is firmly planting a flag on and saying in i believe is the way that republican party can move forward. >> david, as you know, there are two schools of thought, right, on trump. there is the school of thought some of us within the party, right, he drags them down. right? we saw t

do you think liz cheney can remain in the current republican party?eign policies but even that, there is -- they're on a different track. does she keep her position in the party of the leadership? she may. she has no longer any influence in this party, the people like liz cheney are less popular than people like marjorie taylor green and the republican party today. that tells you everything you need to know about the republican party today and it is what's fascinating to me and all of these things as you know because you cover all of this stuff. the small story always tells a bigger narrative. the small story here is unless you are willing to lie to republican voters and not tell them the truth, you have no influence in the party and you no longer part of the republican party. so basically the table stakes for being a republican or leadership or of any influence at all nationally are even in states, you have to be willing to lie to their base and if you are not willing the lie, you have no part of the base. >> terrifying. thank you very much matthew.

congresswoman liz cheney, who's running the weekend event, says it will focus on republicans gettingtive policy. when asked if donald trump would make an appearance, the congresswoman said, quote, i haven't invited him. joining me now is meredith mcgraw, white house reporter with politico. meredith, welcome back to the broadcast. look, donald trump may not be invited but mar-a-lago and all that embodies is not very far away, so to what extent will donald trump loom over this event? >> reporter: well, i had to look it up and mar-a-lago is about two and a half hours away from orlando so it's a pretty quick trip if he did want to make a last-minute visit but as you said, gop conference chairwoman liz cheney said that trump was not invited to this weekend's gathering, which is really meant to unify the party on policy points and she's really hoping to make this about conservative policies and gathering lawmakers around issues like china and healthcare, among other things, but even though trump's not going to be there, he's still going to be looming over everything. he recently put out a

a few other notes on liz cheney from reporters in the chamber.asey hunt saying mike particular advantage point -- my particular vantage point has a good view of liz cheney. when president biden declared america was on the move again, she stood up to clap. mccarthy applauded but remained seated. and from cnn, mitch mcconnell and liz cheney shook hands before the speech. he had stood behind her amid her feud with trump. if you're interested in what liz cheney had to say about the speech itself, this from her statement that she sent out on twitter last night, saying that the policies president biden has advanced in his first 100 days, outlined this evening are bad for wyoming and bad from america. -- bad for america. growing the size and scope of the federal government, requiring more to send their income to washington, d.c. she said the power endorsed are not standard liberal ideas, but reflected that the left is in control of our policies. one more tweet, note on this topic of liz cheney, and that is from jake sherman of that new congressional new

>> liz cheney. >> like you.blicans and real conservatives serving right now? >> it is liz cheney and already not enough republicans with strong core values serving to stand up for what is right. let's not forget, that moment on january the 6th, kevin mccarthy could have chosen to leave. and he did for a second. and then he retreated. and that kind of fear is exactly what donald trump feeds upon. and if kevin mccarthy thinks that donald trump will actually support him in any future leadership role, i think he's crazy, because donald trump knows exactly what kevin mccarthy is. he's not going to back him. and when he starts looking at what happens in 2022, yes, there's a good chance that republicans would take back the house, except for donald trump. look at georgia. we're talking about a lot of swing states that the republicans did hold in 2020, but may not be able to hold in 2020, based on donald trump, him endorsing more extreme right candidates in primaries, who can win and can't win back the district. this is

i will disagree with something liz cheney said, liz cheney and mitch mcconnell are not in charge of the republican party. i don't even think there is any one person in charge of the republican party today. this is animal house. there is no greek council. the fraternity is in charge of the republican party, and they have lost control of it. >> and we all know they are already on double secret probation. so one, idai have one for you, you will not like it as much. this is the work of marjorie taylor greene. she writes today, quote, remember when republicans lost the house in 2018 because a bunch of them distance themselves from president trump? not advice president trump to the gop retreat is the same stupid behavior. funny how they don't understand a record number of votes on support of any republican president. a friend of mine said, or reminded me, today even a broken clock is right twice a day. one either, here's the question, could it be that she is right about this? >> brian, i will say, she is not wrong. i hesitate to agree with anything marjorie taylor greene says. i think matt hi