>> cheney: yes. >> stahl: a lot? >> cheney: yes.he house and the senate. >> stahl: i mean, if they really think what you're doing is right, and they admire it and they encourage it, and they won't do it-- what is that? >> cheney: the argument that-- that you often hear is that if you do something that is perceived as against trump, that, you know, you'll put yourself in political peril. and that's a self-fulfilling prophesy, because if republican leaders don't stand up and condemn what happened, then the voices in the party that are so dangerous will only get louder and stronger. >> stahl: polls say that 78% of republicans do not think that joe biden was legitimately elected. and i wonder, how do you fight an untruth? how do you stand up to the anti-vaxxers? how do you stand up to q-anon? how do you stand up to a president who says that the election-- falsely-- that the election was rigged? >> cheney: when you look at the- - the spread of these mistruths and the spread of the disinformation, you know, silence enables it. silence ena

cheney is a special case in the sense that she has that built-in network, the bush-cheney network behindhe committee giving her a very prominent platform. those who may be uncomfortable with trump feel like they are pariahs. anthony gonzalez said, i'm out. i can't do this. while cheney's race is important, she's different from other republicans who want a different path but don't see it for themselves. >> that's a great point to see if others step up to not only help liz cheney, but do they make an effort to help some of the others. if you want to take on trump, that would be a bolder way to do it. >>> up next, new court documents show the trump campaign knew soon after election day that its claims about the fraudulent voting system was bogus. but they kept pinning them, anyway. (man 1) oh, this looks like we're in a screen saver. (man 2) yeah, but we need to go higher. (man 1) higher. (man 2) definitely higher. (man 1) we're like yodeling high. [yodeling] yo-de-le-he... (man 2) hey, no. uh-uh, don't do that. (man 1) we should go even higher! (man 2) yeah, let's do it. (both) woah! (man

and when the iran contra scandal broke out into the open. cheney did not like congress being involved with anything that the executive branch was doing and you had the 2 others handle that emanated from the highest echelons of power. and the reagan administration was acting as though it had nothing to do with it. i've told you all that i know and you know, the truth of the matter is for quite some long time. all that you knew is what i told you. it was our witness this morning is mister robert mcfarland, the former national security adviser to the president. mr. mcfarland, we welcome you to the committee and we look forward to your testimony. mr. mccall, and did you have any discussion about the possibility of an effect farming out the whole contra support operations in nicaragua to another country which will cor country one? yes, that's correct. and did you, in fact succeed in obtaining money from another country, which will cor country toe the that's correct. ah, i had the practice of meeting periodically with the official from country to about assistance. we could provide some case

you supported liz cheney in the past, you have even donated to her.ning to unseat or come pray tell what has changed? >> thank you for having me, it's wonderful to be on your show and it's very simple. liz cheney has betrayed wyoming, she's betrayed all of us and she's betrayed me. had i known five years ago that liz cheney would align herself with pelosi and radical democrats in washington, d.c., i probably wouldn't have even taken that first phone call. the fact is the state of wyoming deserves to be represented by someone from wyoming, someone who was born and raised here as i was and someone who has wyoming's best interest at heart. that's why i'm running to be the next congresswoman from the state of wyoming. >> laura: specifically on what issues you take issue with her? >> there are several ones, one of the primary ones is that she aligns with pelosi and the radical democrats earlier this year to vote to impeach president trump without due process and without what you expect from someone in terms of that kind of an issue. she aligns herself with

and liz cheney digs. in the wyoming republican says her party is full of codlers and enablers and warms extremism in trump are in cheney's view the ingredients that will you be raffle american democracy. >> i am not ready to cede the republican party and i'm not ready to cede it to the voices of extremism, to the voices of anti-semitism and the voices of racism, and there certainly are some in our party. i'm going to fight for this party. i believe in it. >> up first though today begins a defining work week for the biden agenda. with a promise of votes, the prospect of clarity and a giant complication in the form of a deadline to fund the government and keep it open. right now there is no clear path to all of the above and a lot of democrats are nervous this is no plan "b." one important step, the speaker keeping a president to bring the president's roads and bridges bill to the house floor. the goal is a final vote on that bill by thursday. by then, this is the hard part, democrats hope to also make subs

george w bush did, under the pressure from dick cheney and our ansel george w bush did. that's what really turn me off the administration off us policy and company to be outspoken about that policy. you described the intervention afghanistan as being compatible to the, the great game of the 19th century with the protagonist. now, effectively being the main protagonist, the united states and china, it is not a valid comparison. do you think that's where we have no, the gamma stands still. if that strategic significance there, between the, the 2 dominant. what'll power i think central asia is and i've kind of just happens to be central, the central asia, if our playing the grand strategies, i would say forget state building, forget nation building. all those things are culture months of your presence there . and maybe you can do some things for women and education and so forth. really are there for geo political and geo strategic reasons. and you just described them briefly. you're there because you're right next door to the potentially most unstable nuclear stockpile in t

it is just not fair to say that wish and cheney lied. -- that bush and cheney lied. there is a difference between having bad intelligence are telling a deliberate lie. passing on information you believe to be true is a mistake. host: let him finish, david, and i will come back to you. guest: it is absolutely true that saddam hussein was harboring terrorists and maintaining terrorists ties. he was paying money to terrorist's relatives as a sort of county for terrorist acts, so that if the people carrying out the terrorism were killed, their families would get paid. he was violating the sanctions regime, which was eroding because the food for oil gamble in europe. so europe support for inspections was going down. there was lots of stuff that gave us very good reason to go into iraq, and it was not a lie, even though the intelligence was fully even sit-down's own generals. the intelligence was bad but sit-down had a very, very extensive sort of falls flag operation to make everybody coming including his own generals, think that he did still have the wmd's, which were by

but also because rove and cheney were working on the president all along. so repetitious li, as well as alone in the office to ensure that he really power was potentially the most powerful candidate in 2004 contest his 2nd term. and this was not something the president forgot. study this with every president since war war 2. and it is stunning to my students when they find out how domestic politics and particularly the presidents, desire to be successful influences faithful decision making were boys and girls and die in conflict overseas. l. b, j is decision, and 65 to go the rope, the road in vietnam, and go 250-0000 troops. is a good cation point. a lot of people don't believe domestic politics has that much impact on american presidential decision making, but it does. it's often the most decisive factor and with bush, he was war and he was worried about how. but from your estimation as, as a military minus event on the vietnam, as a helicopter pilot would have been possible to extract alca eda and some of the latin in particular from afghanistan with to

cheney had been listening to me kick his ass around for 30 minutes.we're walking out of the room, he said i agreed with some of what you had to say. that night, bush calls me. and he says, really good today. he was back on the road. he literally came. there for six or seven hours. met with the vice president and then left again. he calls me night. about 10:00 and he says, really good today. really good. you outlined ten serious political problems and i hadn't thought of some of them and it was really good. so figure out what you're going to do about him because i'm going with cheney. he said, your job is politics. so these are all political problems. figure out what you're going to do about them. he said that's not my job. my job is to figure out who would be the best partner to me in the oval office and if something terrible happened to me, who would the country have immediate confidence in? that's dick and i'm going with him. don't tell anybody i've made the decision or i'll kill you. but figure out what you're going to do. in a couple days when i g

and the head of it is richard cheney of dallas texas. during the course of all this, bush becomes convinced that cheney ought to be the guy, and he knows i'm against it. and he calls me up he's an auto he's in iowa, and he says ok i'm coming home tonight, and i want you to be at the governor's mansion at about 10:00, and make the case why i should not go with dick cheney. so i show up at the governor's mansion at 10:00. we're in the austin library, which is twice the size of the stage i'm sitting on one side of the room, and governor bush is on the other side of the room. about four feet away. and were uncomfortable chairs, and he says ok tell me why we should not go with cheney? i said well, number one key wyoming three electoral votes abawi need to go south with somebody from a battleground state. number two, cheney had his first heart attack, at the age of 34, so i used to know the details, i think he's had three since. he's working on perfecting the heart attack, people are going to say he's not going to last four years. and number t

i haven't heard liz cheney on that. >> what biden did today is unconstitutional.ratorium was unconstitutional. laura: i haven't heard liz cheney, she never talks about these issues, only hitting trumps and the insurrection on january 6th. we are going to be watching this closely. thank you for choosing this show, we appreciate it and with thousands of afghan refugees resettling, biden's dhs secretary has his eye on this. >> we have changed the language that we >> we have changed language we use to refer to migrants who arrive in the united states and seek relief, we did not have yet lawful presence. we do not use the term illegal alien. laura: what they call them are undocumented democrats. gutfeld next. >> this is not about freedom or personal choice. it is about protecting your self and those around you. jillian: president biden facing an onslaught of backlash for declaring sweeping vaccine mandates on americans but not illegal immigrants crossing the border. how republican governors are fighting back. >> accusing the administration of being tougher and unvaccin

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bush will campaign in wyoming on behalf of congresswoman liz cheney cheney is facing a trump-backed primaryllenge over her vote to impeach him after the capitol insurrection a challenge cheney addressed in a weekend interview with "60 minutes. >> a vote against me in this race, a vote for whomever donald trump has endorsed, is a vote for somebody who is willing to perpetuate the big lie, somebody who is willing to put allegiance to trump above allegiance to the constitution, absolutely >> joining me is former republican congressman david jolly of florida he's also an msnbc political analyst. david, it's good to have you with us. let's talk more about the former president's rally over this weekend and his apparent inability to move on from the election that he lost. how much of this is about undermining joe biden and how much of it is about laying the foundation to overturn potential democratic victories in the future >> yeah, i think it's both of those. i think it's also hard not to see this as simply the vanity project of an embittered former president. it fills his ego to get up there and

um, dick cheney leaves the defense department and goes and has halliburton himself. and he spent the entire 1900 ninety's, building up the halliburton war empire. well, if we're going to talk about star wars, we might as well invite darth vader. happy to accept it. then he comes back into power as vice president. and then they start hiring halliburton too, you know, in advance, even of us troops going into iraq, halliburton, personnel and equipment was being deployed to the golf. it's hard to, to look at this and not say, these guys had a very long term plan for how they were going to increase the powerful infrastructure of private companies. what we've essentially done is to create a network of corporations that have the fire power of small nation states that could, you know, over throw some small governments around the world. nations we in the united states have privatize the ultimate public function. ward. you know, bombs, i've got a time limit delay food emissions to us. so by that through the in iraq, the f sixteens. and as a teens were firing 6000000 dollars wi

and cheney wanted a war at best. they wanted a cold war. they wanted to open relations with taiwan in a significant way and tried to do so. so you got a good point later on though powell has lost some of his ability to influence the president. not only because it's not china issue, it's something else, but also because rove and cheney were working on the all along sir repetitious. li, as well as alone in the office to ensure that he really power was potentially the most powerful candidate in 2004 contest his 2nd term. and this was not something the president forgot. study this with every president since war war 2. and it is stunning to my students when they find out how domestic politics and particularly the president's desire to be successful. influences faithful decision making, where boys and girls die in conflict over c, l, b, j decision and 65 to go the rope. the road in vietnam and go 250-0000 troops. is a good cation point. a lot of people don't believe domestic politics has that much impact on american presidential decision making,

thank you. >>> coming up next, liz cheney used the testimony of a top u.s.blicans toward that general. some of them were sitting just feet away from her as she did it. in a moment, "new york times" columnist tom friedman joins me who recently spoke with the wyoming republican. >>> and later, the january 6th committee that cheney also sits on issued new subpoenas today. we will have the names and details of that ahead. how much money can liberty mutual save you? one! two! three! four! five! 72,807! 72,808... dollars. yep... everything hurts. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ one of my favorite supplements is qunol turmeric. turmeric helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. unlike regular turmeric supplements qunol's superior absorption helps me get the full benefits of turmeric. the brand i trust is qunol. >>> elsewhere on capitol hill today, day two of testimony from top u.s. generals on the end of afghanistan mission. this time in the house with most republicans assailing general mark milley, the chairman of the

liz cheney comes out and makes news.y it. >> congresswoman cheney, do you believe former president trump should be speaking at cpac this weekend? >> yes, he should. >> congresswoman cheney? >> it is up to cpac. i have been clear on my views about president trump and the extent to which following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party in our country. >> on that high note. >> but, chris, that wasn't the end of it, was it? >> yeah. it is sort of like and we're still not done. okay. may 12th, liz cheney after voting for impeachment, after speaking out against donald trump, after saying he was responsible for january 6th, is ousted from her role as the third ranking republican in congress, which is a pretty remarkable thing. let's play a little sound from that. >> congresswoman, do you feel betrayed by today's vote? >> i do not. i think that it is an indication of where the republican party is, and i think that the party is in a place that we've got to bring it back from, and we've

cheney has faced backlash from some in the party for voting ach former president donald trump and for the january 6 committee investigating the attack on the capitol by a pro-trump mob. cheney discussed her decision to join the committee with lesley stahl for "60 minutes." >> millions of people around the country have been betrayed and misled and deceived by donald trump. he has said that the election was stolen. he continues to say that. he continues to say things that aren't true. and continues to raise money off of those claims. and so to me there's just not a question. >> reporter: she's one of only two republicans on the nine-member committee and a prominent face of it since she was elevated to vice chair. >> we must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house. >> reporter: republicans in congress feel that by joining this january 6th panel you are helping to keep the focus on trump instead of on the shortcomings of the biden administration. >> those who think that by ignoring trump he will go away have been proven wrong. and my view the american peo peopl

liz cheney used the testimony of a top u.s.eneral to criticize the conduct of her fellow republicans toward that general. some of them were sitting just feet away from her as she did it. in a moment, "new york times" columnist tom friedman joins me who recently spoke with the wyoming republican. >>> and later the january 6th committee cheney also sits on issued in you subpoenas today. we will have the names and details of that ahead. talking about mental health it's not a sign of weakness, but really a sign of strength. people sometimes don't want to talk about mental health, they don't want to talk about problems that they might have that aren't physical, but those problems are just as real. i have this disease you know, and it makes it awkward that i have to explain myself or prove myself in certain situations. a lot of times i'm not feeling good or you know not having a good day, but through the music i'm able to have a good day by expressing something that feels good to me that i can pass onto others. one of my favorite phr

he cries about bush and cheney.you go to a rally and stand out there for hours and hours just to listen to this man who can't get over losing cry and cry? >> well, look, it combines two of the worst qualities in humanity, bullying and victimhood. that's what he's got. but what he's offering is a sense of community for true believers who cannot face the facts because it would destroy their belief system, because that's what they've bought into. that's what happens with cults. so they come there to be surrounded by the warm, cozy feeling of not being wrong despite all evidence to the contrary. >> yeah. i also want to play something else that was said at the rally last night. let's play this. >> when stacey abrams says, i'm not going to concede, that's okay. no problem. oh, she's not going to concede. she's not going to concede. of course having her, i think, might be better than having your existing governor if you want to know the truth. might -- might very well be better. >> i mean margaret, is donald trump just try

in a statement, trump called cheney a warmonger and a disloyal republican. cheney's response?tate? >> well, it certainly is the challenge that liz cheney knows she's up against ever since she cast her vote to impeach president trump and then remained stalwart in her support for the fundamentals of our democracy in face of the big lie that donald trump is continuing to try and sell across the nation certainly in the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection. this is the problem, right, for liz cheney. donald trump has a lot of sway inside the republican party. so inside a primary contest, this could be a real challenge for her. as you saw, it's not a challenge she's shying away from. she says, bring it. but she is one of ten republicans in the house who voted to impeach donald trump and he's basically making his way through the list of the impeachment ten on the republican side, seeking out republican challengers and getting behind them in hopes of ousting those republican incumbents from their seat. most of these are from safer seats, but nonetheless, donald trump is looking t

wants to get liz cheney out of her seat. we have this direct bush v. trump battle going on here. >> right. and cheney's response to the former president supporting one of her opponents has been to say, bring it on. but this shows you that, you know, they know they're in for a fight here. cheney has done very, very well on fund-raising since she stepped out in the wake of january 6th, voted to impeach the former president. the challenge for her, of course, is how much of that is national, from the sizable constituency that she has, that now seems to include more democrats than i imagine liz cheney ever thought would think highly of her, but the reality it is going to be wyoming primary voters that will decide what happens here. and this clash between george w. bush and former president trump, it is one that bush was very cautious about engaging with, throughout the trump presidency, and that's why it is so noteworthy he's willing to take this on here. now, you know, my question is, i have two questions, one, will he ever campaign for her at a rally wher

, even if she retains her seat. >> little remembered fact, liz cheney, actually the cheney family hasome roots in texas where her father in between being defense secretary and vice president ran halliburton, big defense contractor headquartered in texas. and remember, he had to change his voting registration from texas to wyoming to file for vice president because of the texas rule in the electoral college. you know the story. anyway. >> that's right. >> he is kind of a texas guy as well as wyoming guy. >> a lot of old friends in texas meeting liz cheney. >> exactly. thank you both. great talking to you. >>> coming up, unanswered questions about the confirmation that a body found in wyoming is gabby petito. now they have to find out what is the cause of death. they believe it is homicide. now the search for her missing fiance is more important. a live report on the manhunt. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. th iiss "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. i became a sofi member because i needed to consolidate my credit card debt. i needed just one simple way to pay it all off. it

that's, of course, when it changed for cheney in particular. she'd been relatively supportive of the president and makes a distinction between saying, i voted for him in november but after i saw what happened at the capitol, under no circumstances could i support him. the thing is, and what kagan was warning in that column and what we've been talking about here, there are no signs any of those dynamics are changing and yet, still, most republicans are silent in the face of it. >> you don't hear kevin mccarthy say, oh, no, i would never overturn a presidential el election. he doesn't say anything like that. then we heard about this former department of homeland security official who was told that trump's allies at dhs and at the white house told him to cover up, manipulate his intelligence on russian election interference and white supremacy so as to make sure that trump didn't look bad. take a listen. >> it was to manipulate the intelligence to fit that political narrative so, yes, they also did not want things to come out, but they wanted to s

and yet, liz cheney thinks she is going to be the exception? >> yeah. in politics but in the end, the facts are what matter and there is no question. i could just tell you from my existence of having people text me and call me every republican running for office who wants to win and certainly who is in a primary is calling to figure out if someone can help him get a meeting with donald trump at mar-a-lago or bedminster or somewhere else. it's what the whole game is i have never seen anything like it and i have spent my whole adult life in politics. look, you call them rinos i sometimes call them establishment republicans there are republicans in d.c. and new york city who pine for the days of politics that were more genteel. by the way when they say more genteel it means republicans lost everything but everyone got a scotch at the end of the day and it was okay. they pine for those days when we all kind of got along better. let me tell you who doesn't pine for those days the republicans across this country. they want us to take on the democrats and they

and what is interesting about this race is that liz cheney's opponent who used to be a cheney supporter, has not said much about january 6th. liz cheney is eager to talk about this. she serves on the committee. she wants to make this a test. her opponent is a lawyer and somehow got donald trump's approval without having to speak on this issue. i'll look forward to this debate because it will have national repercussions and my money is on liz cheney. >> she wants to run for president but has to win her house seat back first p. i don't know how much pull bush will have because of the base but i do think -- >> he can raise a lot of money. >> exactly. the money piece, what you said about him not getting into the fray. the fact that he did and his remarks on the memorial for september 11th, i think were jaw dropping. and i also think it would make a difference for independents, for suburban women, for all of those who understand what is at stake. and going back to the democratic telenovella, i hope these democrats understand, let's get this done cleanly because what's at stake not just for t

very, very few in the republican party willing to stand up to the disinformation, congresswoman liz cheney she addressed how even those in her own party saying nothing are harming our democracy. >> when you look at the -- the spread of these mistruths, and the spread of the disinformation, you know, silence enables it silence enables the liar and silence helps to it spread so the first thing you have to do is say, no, i am not going to accept that we are going to privilege in a post-truth world. it is a toxin, leslie, in our political bloodstream. because when we allow that to continue to go on in the face of rulings of the court n the face of recounts, in the case of everything that's gone on to demonstrate that there was not fraud that would have changed the outcome, then we all -- if we do that, we are contributing to the undermining of our system and it's a really serious and dangerous moment because of that. >> serious use, dangers, long lasting widespread dangers of the expresident's big lice we this hour with nick corasaniti, claire mccaskill, and daniel goldman i want to start with

and others to stand up to. in liz cheney and others to stand up to there _ in liz cheney and others few of them unfortunately. to. there are just too few of them unfortunately-— unfortunately. people will undoubtedly _ unfortunately. people will undoubtedly write - unfortunately. people will undoubtedly write in, - unfortunately. people will undoubtedly write in, as l unfortunately. people will. undoubtedly write in, as they unfortunately. people will— undoubtedly write in, as they always do, and say, why are you giving oxygen to donald trump, he is gone? this is not the past, it is about elections in 2022 in the election in 20211. if one side cannot accept that the other side has won, that does raise serious questions about american democracy. ii raise serious questions about american democracy.- raise serious questions about american democracy. if you think about it, american democracy. if you think about it. one _ american democracy. if you think about it, one key— american democracy. if you think about it, one key test _ american democracy. if you think about it, one key test fo

and then i run into liz cheney.he is the chair of the house republican conference at the time and we are sort of evacuated in close proximity to each other as part of the entire group. the sergeant at arms was the first person to talk to us, did not have a lot of information, but presented some of the circumstances as they understood it in terms of what was happening at the capital. initially, when members were arriving, and you had members that were arriving who were on the floor and subsequently members who are in the gallery, and then also members coming from their capital offices where arriving and there was a lot of uncertainty as to what exactly the situation was. the gas masks were humming and buzzing, which i guess is what happens when you open the packet. so there was sort of that noise that was taking place. a lot of members were fielding calls from their family members and loved ones, and reaching out to folks also checking on staff to see what was happening. and that same location, it became clear immedi

mary matalin former aide to vice president dick cheney. how did the morning of your september 11, 2000 will begin? >> you know, there was a feeling of almost back-to-school. we'd not been out for the summer but generally we take the last week of august bill offered he passed an energy bill, we felt like we were settling in well proved there is a sense of, okay, now back to business permit economic issues at the time, where on the front end of a recession. it was a clear beautiful day, and i distinctly remember being so happy to be working at the white house. and relative to the energy issue, my plans for that day were to meet with the labor leaders -- some later on hand labor leaders, the team's jurors were supporting our energy plan because of such a job creator. and that is what i had planned for that beautiful day. >> host: so as you walked through the gates of the white house on that morning, do you remember what time you entered in some of the first things you did? >> guest: well, senior staff had to be there every day at 6:30 a.m. or

that liz cheney has pursued. i want to knock out of the water any sort of legitimate claim to executive privilege. it was something jamie raskin said. i think we can all fast forward to -- i think you are right, it will be the legal showdown to end all showdowns. but it won't be that. it will be a political showdown. there is no such thing as a former president's executive privilege, said james 'raskin. quote, that's, extremely dilute and not really refusal. not that it will stop him from claiming that, and not that it will protect his base were being disinformed by conservative media. but at the end of the day, the select committee may very well get their hands on the the trump white house's international communications? >> i hope they do. i think they expect to. i calked to congressman kinzinger who is on the committee as part of the bipartisan coalition you mentioned at the top. he says that they expect to in an interview recently b a week ago. i can't add anything from a constitutional expertise standpoint. i

mary matalin former aide to vice president dick cheney. how did the morning of your september 11, 2000 will begin? >> you know, there was a feeling of almost back-to-school. we'd not been out for the summer but generally we take the last week of august bill offered he passed an energy bill, we felt like we were settling in well proved there is a sense of, okay, now back to business permit economic issues at the time, where on the front end of a recession. it was a clear beautiful day, and i distinctly remember being so happy to be working at the white house. and relative to the energy issue, my plans for that day were to meet with the labor leaders -- some later on hand labor leaders, the team's jurors were supporting our energy plan because of such a job creator. and that is what i had planned for that beautiful day. >> host: so as you walked through the gates of the white house on that morning, do you remember what time you entered in some of the first things you did? >> guest: well, senior staff had to be there every day at 6:30 a.m. or

. ( laughter ) cheney has been a vocal opponent of the former president. she supported his second impeachment and refused to participate in the big lie that he won the election. re theally, the fo, on the big meme of liz cheney with george w. bush's face. that is pathetic. the former president has been kicked off of social media so he's been reduced to an old man, traveling from town to town, explaining memes in person. (as old man) you see, the young man is walking down the street with his girlfriend. the man represents you, and the girlfriend represents getting 8 hours of sleep. but the man is looking at another woman walking the other way, who represents reading the wikipedia page for the mary kate and ashley movie "billboard dad" at 3:00 am. it's an allegory about the human condition in the information age. anyway, i'll be in peoria on thursday to talk about a lady who just tried kombucha. what her face does will surprise you. ( cheers and applause ) they know the kombucha one. they know the long walk, but there was water in the well. ( laughter ) chen

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what was called a secure, undiscsed location. >> this was cheney's nightmare come true.y for years, and thought a lot about it. and then, on 9/11, it seemed like it was almost coming true. he felt sort of death was stalking him. he kept a gas mask and a hazmat suit in a bag in the backseat. >> narrator: cheney obsessed over the threats. the danger. and the need to act. >> what 9/11 did was really replace the ideals that we professed, in terms of democracy and in terms of moderation and restraint, with a single impulse-- survival. and everything else that was done that was contrary to that was thought to be a kind of effete, liberal, wishy-washy, romantic sentiment. >> narrator: the president had said the war on terror was a struggle between good and evil. >> it's hard for americans to imagine how evil the people are who are doing this. >> narrator: and he assured the country of its moral high ground. >> we're a nation of strong values and we value life. >> narrator: but the vice president had a different approach. >> we also have to work the sort of, the dark side, if yo

it is just not fair to say that wish and cheney lied. -- that bush and cheney lied. is a difference between having bad intelligence are telling a deliberate lie. passing on information you believe to be true is a mistake. host: let him finish, david, and i will come back to you. guest: it is absolutely true that saddam hussein was harboring terrorists and maintaining terrorists ties. he was paying money to terrorist's relatives as a sort of county for terrorist acts, so that if the people carrying out the terrorism were killed, their families would get paid. he was violating the sanctions regime, which was eroding because the food for oil gamble in europe. so europe support for inspections was going down. there was lots of stuff that gave us very good reason to go into iraq, and it was not a lie, even though the intelligence was fully even sit-down's own generals. the intelligence was bad but sit-down had a very, very extensive sort of falls flag operation to make everybody coming including his own generals, think that he did still have the wmd's, which were by the w

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um, i basically support what liz cheney has said.er characterization and that of adam kinzinger. i think we have come to a point now where what is unforgiveable is that there are so many republicans who are willing to turn away, to not look at the facts of what former president did. how he stoked an insurrection. how he sat in the white house, and apparently observed what was taking place on television. and then, anderson, he apparently when called upon to try and intervene, he simply laughed it off. that is what is unforgiveable, and those members on the hill -- republican members -- who think that's okay, then i think they are contributing to the dissolution of our democracy. and thank goodness you have liz cheney and adam kinzinger and others who are willing to stand up and say we're conservatives. we believe in the rule of law. we believe in conservative principles. what president trump did -- former president -- was not conservative. that was radical. that was rogue. that was undermining democracy, and trying to overthrow our co

. >>> liz cheney says she was wrong to oppose same-sex marriage. she publicly opposed same-sex marriages in 2013 that broke from her father dick cheney and her sister mary who is gain. in an interview with "60 minutes" she addressed the family rift her position caused. >> i love my sister very much. i love her family very much, and i was wrong. it's a very personal issue, and very personal for my family. i believe that my dad was right, and my sister and i have had that conversation. >> cheney says she and her sister have since reconciled. the wyoming republican is now facing a primary challenger backed by president trump after voting to impeach him. >>> police are investigating the suspicious deaths of a mother and her son at a major league baseball game in san diego. police say the 40-year-old and her 2-year-old son plunged from a concession area on the third level of petco park. investigators are trying to determine if the fall was an accident or intentional. authorities say the child's father witnessed the incident. >>> the scene on la palma in

and at that time people took the military's word for it that cheney wasn't a target.ut in documents we obtained for the afghanistan papers, there was an oral history interview with an army officer who is in charge of security at bagram air base, was in charge of protecting cheney that day. he said the suicide bomber came within 30 minutes of killing cheney before he was due to leave the base. and the only reason the suicide bomber missed is he saw the wrong armored suv convoy coming out of the front. so they said this was a close call even though the u.s. military denied that cheney could've been a target or that he was ever in danger. >> i've relied on your book yesterday. i was talking to obama and bush's former war czar, for lack of a better term, doug lute, retired ambassador and retired general who is quoted in the afghanistan papers through the lessons learned project that the special inspector general for afghanistan did, talking about how for years and years the u.s. never had any idea what they were doing in afghanistan. they didn't even understand afghanista

guest: one example of a dick cheney lie. he said repeatedly that mohammed atta, who led the attack on us on 9/11, the key operator, had met with saddam's intelligence people. that was the big connection. there was no such meeting. he was told repeatedly by the cia there was no credibility but he kept using it. host: let him finish. guest: the second point is in terms of weapons, we had weapons inspectors. they were still working on the job and finding nothing and guess what, they were right. there was no reason not to continue with those inspections for another couple of months or longer because they had the right answer. so bush and dick cheney decided to cut out the inspections. people can read my book and we go into all this in great detail. they made misrepresentations knowingly. i call that lying. host: at this point, let remind everyone that our viewers are going to take part in this conversation. we are going to open up our regular lines, which means democrats, you can call (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001.

at the white house, they rush vice president cheney into the bunker under the north lawn. and the secret service stand their posts, assuming that they are about to die as one of the inbound planes it's the white house. the supervisor and the joint operations center at the white house stands up and shouts after impact, anyone who survives go to the alternate command center and we will pick up there. and air traffic control in virginia during this time, then says land every plane now. they put 750 planes on the ground in the first ten minutes. this incredible nationwide effort, and we are sort of only familiar with like one really tiny bit of this story, which is the 38 planes that end up in gander newfoundland, the transatlantic flights diverted to canadian destinations, the 7,000 people dropped into a town of 9,000 that are then housed with zero minutes notice for four days until the planes begin to return to the united states on friday night and saturday. and this is sort of the type of thing, the stories that you find sort of buried amid the parts of 9/11 that we actuall

. >> right, so he's obviously on the january 6th committee, is so liz cheney.en elevated to vice chair. this is news that we heard about last week. today talk about the reaction that we've heard just in the last 24 hours or so, from some of her fellow republicans presumably sahil we know they're not like super psyched, right? >> reporter: that is right. they're not super psyched. the reaction has been pretty negative from those who have reacted. a group of about 16 house republicans led by andy biggs, chair of the hard right freedom caucus written a letter to kevin mccarthy asking him to change the rules of the house republican conference to remove liz cheney and adam kinzinger from that conference. it would be an extraordinary move but it kind of shows the anger that's bubbling up in far right circles over the fact that cheney that, cheney's been promoted on the committee and kinzinger is on the committee. cheney in her statement accepting the vice chair position, had a line that was notable here, kind of a response this this saying she will not be deterred by