liz cheney plans to run for president of the united states. sounds demented, yeah, because it is. but it's also real. you may be wondering if liz cheney were to run for president, what would she run on? she doesn't like trump. okay. platform be?d your we know the answer to that because liz cheney only cares about one thing and only everok has, and that is starting pointless wars in faraway countries. the more pointless the war and the farther way, the better it is. droning peasants makes liz cheney feel powerful. it is been the great because of her life. but you have to ask, do a lot of voters agree with her on that? is, there a massive national constituency for more iraq invasions? we've seen the polling on that. in a word, no. there's not a massive national constituency for liz cheney's foreign policy. just the opposite, in fact. people who live outside of d.c. do not support more pointless wars thatsi do nothing for united states or its core interests. they are not eager to send their kids to die for eastern ukraine. in the answer is, they'

it was unlikely that liz cheney wound up there by accident. eight hour drive from her home in d.c. suburbs. and more to the point, it's also eight hours from the scene and studios in downtown washington that she inhabits more often than most of us go to church and much more reverently. manchester is also not going to matter to her more than 2,000 miles from wyoming, that's the state she supposedly represents in the u.s. congress. so the question is what was liz cheney doing in manchester, new hampshire, appear there is only one answer. liz cheney plans to run for president of the united states. if that sounds demented, yeah, because it is. but it's also real. you may be wondering if liz cheney were to run for president, what would she run on? she doesn't like trump. okay. but what would your platform be? we know the answer to that because liz cheney only cares about one thing and only ever has, and that is starting pointless wars in faraway countries. more paul is the war and the farther way, the better it is. droning peasants makes liz cheney

into what her father did before her. >> reporter: liz cheney was born to dick and lynn cheney in 1966son, wisconsin. she attended colorado college as an undergraduate. then, before going to university of chicago law school, she worked for the state department for five years. later, she ran for the senate. >> today, i am launching my candidacy for the united states senate. >> reporter: in her 2014 run, she spoke out against same-sex marriage, despite the fact her younger sister mary married a woman. >> i do believe in the traditional definition of marriage. >> reporter: she has since changed her position. >> i was wrong. i was wrong. i love my sister very much. >> reporter: liz cheney ended up dropping out of that senate race. but in 2016, she won wyoming's house seat and quickly became the most powerful woman in the house leadership. her place in history is still being written, though. she is vowing to keep her house seat, despite trump's endorsement of her key opponent. and the wyoming republican party calling for her resignation. >> there is nothing liz cheney loves more than a good

>> teton county is turning on this cheney. over wyoming they are expressing anger at what she's doing but when you do say when you say, talk about the democrats, donors to the lincoln project supporting this cheney if you want to talk about democrats but we had a poll that shows i'm reading cheney by 20 points. things are going very good in wyoming and i have been traveling the state, i cannot tell you the number of people i've been meeting with over the last several months, the fact is every time i go to a new town there are more and more people who show up and one message i hear over and over is you have to defeat her. i go to restaurants. i've been sitting in restaurant eating meals and have people come up to me i never met in my life and they say the only thing i want to say to you is you have to beat that woman. you have to send her packing, she does not live in wyoming. >> is not republican, doesn't seem to care about any of the issues people are really worried about. she subsist with revenge. never seen anyone more obse

adam kinzinger and liz cheney. so out goes jim jordan, out goes jim banks that might actually look into -- if anyone request a guard, why didn't you call them on? they might want to talk to the whistle-blower that was saying they were told to stand down. by the way, and comes liz and adam. where is the committee that is looking into the summer of 2020 writing? adam and liz, they have one obvious goal here. their goal is to purge the republican party of donald trump and his supporters and make it impossible for trump to run again for president. that, sadly, it's what they are doing here that's what i have no faith in the committee, that's why it is a sham, that's why it is the latest witch hunt. we have had how many witch hunts for how many years? last night in a weak attempt to smear yours truly, and presumably i guess president trump, congresswoman cheney presented one of my text messages from january 6th to mark meadows. surprise, surprise, surprise, i said to mark meadows the exact same thing i was saying live o

plus, liz cheney's actions have repercussions. meet the republican looking to unseat her in wyoming's primary next. ♪ ♪ >> laura: adam schiff, to put it kindly, perpetually struggles with telling the truth. so he was a perfect fit to help lead the january 6th committee. click it's take a trip -- let's take a trip, shelby, tom emmer elaine? he trapped on my the transcript of the ukraine call to make drums on like a mobster. he even read the phony steele dossier into the record. and he deducted a text message sent to mark meadows in order to smear one of his fellow lawmakers. >> we could cue the first graphic. this one reads "on january 6th, 2021, vice president mike pence, as president of the senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all." it you can see why this is so critical to ask mr. meadows about. about a lawmaker suggesting that the former vice president simply throw out votes. >> laura: the congressman who sent that text was jim jordan and schiff conveniently

i want to hear liz cheney in her own words. >> mr.nother key question before this committee, did donald trump, through action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress's appreciate proceedings to count electoral votes? we know that for 187 minutes president trump refused to act. and he refused to act when his action was required, it was essential, and it was compelled by his duty, compelled by his oath of office. indeed, a be in of members of the press, a number of members of this body, a member of the president's own family all urge the president to take action because they understood that the president of the united states had a responsibility to call off the mob. hours passed despite this without any action by the president. >> joyce vance, i want to bring you in. i want to read the analysis of the specific language liz cheney is using. quote a casual observer might have missed it but what cheney was doing here was pointing to a specific criminal statute, a felony. 18 u.s. code 1512, she suggests donald trump might

we are seeing that from representative cheney. very bad happened here and she wants to get to the truth. >> joe, i have to ask you, if you had to bet your house right now, one year from now, will this be liz cheney's republican party or jim jordan's republican party? which do you think? >> given -- that is a wonderful question. you know, if i could predict that, you know, i'd be in a much different position here. it will be interesting, that's for sure. i think representative cheney is starting to gain a lot of momentum. i think her steadfastness on sticking with constitutional values is helping. i can't really relate to what representative jordan is speaking to, you know, with representative cheney, we'll see. we are seeing a growing number of younger individuals, young republicans relate to what representative cheney's message is. >>. >> joe mcginley, appreciate your time again, as always. >> thank you. >>> this morning, the president's build back better plan hitting a major roadblock. what it means for millions reliant on the n

and what they have done to liz cheney and kinsinger, i think on truth serum.d exactly like liz cheney does, makes it seem so in the last 20 years, but she must be purged, must be destroyed, i'm sure they'll give air time to her primary challengers and i wonder where you think that takes us, not just fox enabling trump and trumpism, but being willing participants in purging people, not who they disagree with, not on anything, not on 9/11, not on foreign policy, not on anything, just on the question of trump. >> look, you know, i think any healthy system or organization, if it's a country, news organization, needs to of checks and balances. needs to have some system in place to acknowledge its own mistakes and recover from them to adjust course, to find the truth and get back to it. and the current function here with trump in his party, in the purging, look, this is a mentality which you simply can't disagree with the president, the ex-president, and have a career in conservative politics or even a big career in conservative media. in fact, john goldberg has his

now last night, vice chair liz cheney read a number of texts of people begging the former president tol off the attack on the capitol as it was happening, including the former president's own son, don jr., as well as three fox news hosts. all of whom have since then down played trump's role in the insurrection. here's liz cheney, and i have to warn our viewers, these contain profanty. >> quote, mark, the president needs to tell people in the capitol to go hope. this is hurting all of us. he is destroying his legacy. laura ingram wrote. please get him on tv. destroying everything you have accomplished, ryan texted. quote, can he make a statement? ask people to leave the capital, sean hannity urged. one of the president's sons said quote, he's got to condemn this shit asap. the capitol police tweet is not enough. donald trump jr. texted again and again, urge action by the president. quote, we need an oval office address. he has to leave now. it has gone too far. and gotten out of hand. >> and at a hearing earlier today, cheney read texts from our fellow republicans to meadows asking him

today cheney read from even more texts sent to meadows.ues. >> quote, it is really bad up here on the hill. another one, the president needs to stop this asap. another one, fix this now! >> jamie gangel is with us. last night liz cheney read from texts. she named names, who they were from. today reading from texts from her colleagues she did not name names. >> yesterday really the only name she named were those fox hosts and don junior. let me talk about that for a minute. i think she identified those people specifically yesterday because fox news, she is very concerned about disinformation. donald trump jr., it's the president's son. he gets what's happening. but his father is sitting there. so i think it was very specific that she identified those. i think the committee, by the time their work is done, we will know all of these members, who they are. and we're going to hear more and more. but right now, investigators who are familiar with things like this tell me that it's very important to let people know you have their texts, but maybe

cheney. >> aye. >> miss cheney. >> >> aye. >> mr. schiff? >> aye. >> mr. schiff aye mr. aguilar. >> aye. >> mr. aguilar ay. >> mrs. murphy. >> aye. >>s in murphy aye. >> mr. raskkin. >> ake. >> plus. >> aye. >> and mr. kinsinger. >> aye. >> aye. >> how is the chair recorded? >> mr. chairman you are not recorded. >> i vote aye. >> mr. chairman aye. >> the clerk will report the vote. >> mr. chairman, on this vote there are 9ayes and zero nos. >> the motion say greed to. vice chair is recognizeed. >> mr. chairman pursuant to clause 2l of rule 11, i request that members have two calendar days to file with the clerk of the committee supplemental and additional views on the measure ordered reported by the committee tonight. >> so ordered. without objection staff is authorized to make any necessary technical or conforming changes to the report to reflect the actions of the committee. there being no further business, without objection, the select committee stands adjourned. >> all right. that was the pretty stunning series of revelations there when we consider with we heard. i w

she, liz cheney, has been derelict in duty.re are no criminal statues whatsoever that apply to this former president donald trump. none, period. if they are, they are hiding with weapons of mass destruction in iraq. there aren't. this committee is violating the bill of rights and due process. this committee is on a criminal hunt to get people embarrassed. why would you have a vote for criminal contempt on a serious issue like executive privilege that applies to former president of the united states. the supreme court said so. separation of powers carries forward whether you are president now or later. they are holding people in contempt. the fraud who is the attorney general who wants to put parents in jail using the patriot act, he indicts steve bannon and wants to indict other people. this is an issue before several judges that has to be adjudicated. the extent of executive privilege. we have two obama judges and one biden judge and they say the current president hasn't asserted. he is in the best position. no he's not. that

people like liz cheney will soon lose her wyoming primary. and danziger, quick before the voters can oust them but they will end it probably as msnbc commentators, they will both become democrat lackeys like nicole wallace, bill kristol, the whole crowd, largely irrelevant, with no real constituency but pretty handsomely paid. so the real big lie is the expensive narrative of january 6th, that they've made the center of their political existence so it is time to face facts, shutdown the false narrative and treat cheney and her class the way the american people treat them, by tuning them out. joining me now as byron york, fox news contributor, chief political correspondence was also with me a while congressman jim jordan, house judiciary committee ranking member. let's go to you first. my tweet. i was one of the first people on twitter known to be supportive of donald trump to put that message out there i believe. i might be wrong but i think i was one of the first. do they care to look at any of the public statements on this? >> obviously not

i don't think liz cheney likes us. i've tried my best.y hard, tried to be -- don't think she likes us. i don't think she likes us. i don't know why. >> my heart goes. better.

liz cheney and adam kinzinger. but will check on. that paul butler, as you watch what is going on and now this goes to the doj, is it similar or is it completely different than that consideration of what should happen to steve bannon? >> it's pretty much the same, except that mark meadows is even a more compelling witness. he's already provided the committee with tax and documents that suggests he was down and gritty with donald trump on january 6th. but now meadows refuses to talk, even about the evidence he's provided the committee. the committee has heard testimony from more than 300 witnesses and obtained over 35,000 documents, but meadows's testimony could be key to holding the insurrectionists and their congressional enablers and oval office enablers accountable. and chris, if meadows is ultimately found to be in criminal contempt, he faces a minimum sentence of a month in prison. it could be up to a year. but here's the thing, the panel would much rather have his testimony. so, tonight's vote could be the ultimate pressure for

exactly what liz cheney is referring to.ut as has been sure with most of donald trump's political career, he never just has one looming legal threat, just a few hours ago another federal judge, another trump appointee, crossed out trump's loss to -- house tax returns remember that. even the former president is right on the fact, he is wrong on the law wrote judge trevor mcfayden. although he is doing that would have years into this lawsuit. a long line of supreme court cases requires great difference to facially valid congressional inquiries. even the special solicitude of the former president does not alter the outcome. now the judge did state his ruling for -- trump time to file an appeal. while congressional democrats are still trying to get access to trump's taxes, new and airports in the k -- soon-to-be of successor is moving forward. the washington post reports, quote, a longtime accountant for former president donald trump, who helped prepare trump's taxes and financial statements as companies used to woo lenders, tes

what is really going on with liz cheney and the media. >> release yours i want to see yours. >> i have no interest in reading any of their text messages because it also aggressively boring. [laughs] there are the most people you're so predictable. >> there is a part of this that does suck and i will tell you this. had to give up email, i don't do social media. >> not talk about that. i don't like that word so don't say that i hate that word. >> i read ago i'm late. i'm laura ingraham is the ingraham angle. your knocking out miss my takedown of liz cheney and the media's obsession to myself to >> laura: alcove it will be behind us maybe it'll be after omicron though still be fewer, and fewer states with mandates or restrictions. i know you can't wait for the new normal to be back. horrible airfare. the freedom to move around without a mask. without having to show your card. we are all looking forward to the end of shaming and discrimination. before you get all excited let me tell you what the organized left has planned for you. first, an end to private vehicular travel. listen carefully

that's what congresswoman cheney is referring to there.ld trump's political career he never has just one looming threat. just a few hours ago another federal judge, another trump appointee, tossed out trump's lawsuit trying to stop a house committee from getting his tax returns. remember that? even if the former president is right on the facts he's wrong on the law, wrote judge trevor mcfadden. although he's doing that 2 1/2 years into this lawsuit. a long line of supreme court cases requires great deference to facially valid congressional inquiries. even the special slis tooud accorded former presidents does not alter the outcome. now, the judge did stay his ruling for two weeks to give trump time to file an appeal. but while congressional democrats are still trying to get access to trump's taxes manhattan district attorney cy vance already has them and new reports indicate his investigation or the investigation soon to be of a successor is moving forward. the "washington post" reports, "a long time accountant for former president donald

you played a lot of liz cheney's comments during the show tonight.rtant because if democrats are worried about this, it is vital that they work with republicans with whom they disagree. if democrats say, wait a second, i can't work with him or her because he has a position on abortion or taxes or climate change, the way to stop anti-democratic movements, all the scholars tell us, is to have cross-ideological coalitions fighting. liz cheney believes in fair elections, it seems, so do nearly all democrats. they can fight later over who wins elections. but what we need to have happen first is actually elections in the united states where the people who get the most votes get the electoral votes from that state. >> she makes your point because she lost her leadership gig for speaking out on issues just like this. david leon heart, thank you so much. the essay is terrific and i hope people read it. what are your thoughts. tweet me. i love looking at it during the course of the program. this has just come in. where am i headed this time? oh, wow, very cool

that's cheney's point here.ay are trump judges, two out of the three that made this determination. the other thing she's saying is, you know, it's not just trump's action but inaction. so trump is saying i guess his defense is look, i didn't light the match. but by all accounts what cheney is saying is look, at least you sat in front of the fire truck toasting marshmallows if you didn't light the match. whether or not donald trump meets the legal term of obstruction i'm sure this is cheney's argument he wasn't exactly advocating the crowd to march to the capitol and count the votes. he was urging them to stop the count. >> right. >> so that runs you squarely into a federal crime. that's why cheney's remarks are so important and why donald trump this week has been kind of even by his own standards more off the rails than usual. >> and the issue here, she uses the words corruptly because that's important seek to obstruct or impede. if you cannot charge people who were involved in january 6th with obstruction, then

liz cheney is running for re-election in a state that donald trump won.she's got so much backbone, so much principle, so much conviction, she's got so much just, you know, patriotism. i'm thinking of a word that won't get -- >> fortitude. >> yes, she does. i am in such admiration, deep admiration of her because you can disagree with her on policy all you want. but it is hard right now not to admire -- >> i was having that same conversation today about liz cheney. i said, look, people can say what they want about liz cheney. she's still a republican. she still votes as a conservative, but she is principled on this particular matter. talking about people who are not principled, it is mark meadows and then also kevin mccarthy because as we understand, the former president is upset both by those two, one, because of what meadows put in his book, and the other thing because he's blaming kevin mccarthy for all of the damning information that is coming out of this committee. you suck up to trump, and this is what happens. this is what you get, keith? >> i don't

liz cheney is a constant target tonight on fox news, so what's the answer?reement with the congressman there. i don't think that donald trump contained the party, i think donald trump revealed the party. these people are what they want to be. the republican party is very comfortable being an autocratic movement now. that's hard for a lot of us who worked in the party to come to grips with, but i don't know any other conclusion to come to in any kind of honest, intellectual sense. they are about the business of changing what we've always known as american democracy. there was a plot to end the peaceful transition of power, and mitch mcconnell surely knew about this powerpoint. he did nothing. it's at a point that really is almost unimaginable for us. >> and what is the motivation, juanita, if they're looking at a midterm set of elections that they think they're going to take back the house and the senate? >> that's the sole motivation. align ourselves with trump to tap into his urban base. that's why mccarthy, just days after the january 6 attack, wanted to k

cheney and yasm mr. banks. mr. thompson: i ask that unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on this measure. the speaker pro tempore: without objection.the gentleman from mi. mr. thompson: madam speaker, it is regrettable that we're back to the floor considering another criminal contempt referral. but our former colleague, mr. meadows, has left us no choice. the select committee is investigating an attack on our democracy and it's essential that witnesses cooperate with our investigation to get answers. the law requires them to do so. and when a witness defies the law, that amounts to more than obstruction of investigation. the an attack on the rule of law -- it's an attack on the rule of law. in september the select committee subpoenaed mr. meadows for records and testimony because we believed he had information relevant to our investigation. for weeks we went back and forth with mr. meadows, to his lawyer, to

cheney and yasm mr. banks. mr. thompson: i ask that unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on this measure. the speaker pro tempore: without objection.the gentleman from mi. mr. thompson: madam speaker, it is regrettable that we're back to the floor considering another criminal contempt referral. but our former colleague, mr. meadows, has left us no choice. the select committee is investigating an attack on our democracy and it's essential that witnesses cooperate with our investigation to get answers. the law requires them to do so. and when a witness defies the law, that amounts to more than obstruction of investigation. the an attack on the rule of law -- it's an attack on the rule of law. in september the select committee subpoenaed mr. meadows for records and testimony because we believed he had information relevant to our investigation. for weeks we went back and forth with mr. meadows, to his lawyer, to

. >> katie, i want to ask you about liz cheney. the senior republican on the january six committee, she said last week, that there will be public hearings, in the new year. she also talked about a line of inquiry that involves potentially targeting the former, president donald, trump for responsibility, she actually cited legal precedent under which they are deemed to have done something, donald trump and his allies, were of deemed to have done something under contrary to the, law they could actually face consequence for this work. do you know about this? >> her statements are basically applying public pressure into, places the first is signaling to the public, that there is going to be a lead, off the investigation will become more aggressive in the coming, here in that places pressure on her fellow republicans, because at the end of the, day it is really up to them to decide, whether or not the party is going to continue to support the former president, and continue to support people within the party, who deny the results of the

cheney alludes to that too, where she says, don't be misled.sident trump is trying to hide what happened on january 6th and to delay and obstruct. we will not let that happen. i always think that cheney at least believes most of her audience when she tweets, our republicans. so, i think it's interesting the way she is targeting donald trump with those tweets. nevertheless we are seeing two big witnesses today, ally alexander, who is an organizer of the so-called stop the steal movement, and kash patel, who is a name that popped up in various positions, first hill on the hill, then in different elements of the trump administration, including finally at the pentagon. he's someone you see from a distance there, who the committee has been trying to get to come in for a deposition since october. that's a long way of saying even knowing the deadlines and when we expect members to be coming in to be deposed this week doesn't help us fill out the other two. on the ally alexander front, he was trying to perhaps unsay some of the comments he said immedia

on liz cheney, you're right. my understanding is that this was incredibly intentional on her part to want to be the person who read the messages that they have gotten from mark meadows from her fellow republicans in congress on that day, from fox news hosts on that day. she understands coming from her, a republican who still considers herself and still is a tried and true conservative, but somebody who follows the rule of law, that reading those would be more -- have more weight than, say, an adam schiff or somebody who is seen by republicans as just a partisan, whether that's fair or not, that's just the reality. it wasn't an easy thing for her to do. she's already under serious fire from republicans. she has a very real primary challenge by somebody in wyoming who is backed by the former president, and she's just going for broke. >> yeah. dana, thank you. jeffrey, thank you very much. again, the full house is expected to vote later this afternoon on this charge against mark meadows. >>> coming up for us, pfizer

i want to play for the audience what liz cheney said. i think what she said on december 13th with reference to trump is very carefully worded, has references in it and has references in it. let's listen to liz cheney. >> did donald trump through action or inaction corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress's official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> now here's what you wrote about this, kyle. cheney's suggestion for inaction could lead to a violation of the statute is among the broadest interpretations. among the variables is whether it could apply to someone like trump whose specific actions may have been technically lawful even if they were done with corrupt intent of interfering with congress. give me a little more on this, kyle. >> sure. so this is actually a very active issue not just in relation to donald trump but in relation to the rioters themselves in the building. a lot of them are facing obstruction charges and they're challenging them on the basis that, well, the counting of electoral votes is not an official proc

they may have doubted liz cheney's ability, they may have doubted liz cheney's power on the committeet democrats aren't republicans. so democrats of course opened the doors wide and said come on in. republicans can't fathom she is a full partner to bennie thompson, they couldn't fathom she could be in the committee and out donald trump and his accomplices in congress. i think they know that's what's about to happen. this whole egg is about to crack open on all of theiris pass. and mitch mcconnell needs to scoot over to the other side, at least to the middle. >> i don't think this is psycho babble at all. i think it is key to understanding their actions and their enabling of him over the past half decade now. all -- not all of them. some of these people are soio pathic trumpers. mitch mcconnell, say what you want about him, he knows that donald trump's actions between the election and january 6th were completely out of bounds. he know has the anti-vaxx stuff with his party as somebody who the vaccine saved were out of bounds. he knew donald trump's five years were out of bounds. we alw

gr says liz cheney last night. says liz cheney today.he the vice chair of the investigation is repeatedly asking that question. to make the case for how important it is to talk to mark meadows.e she's repeatedly asking that question about the criminal culpability of former president donald trump. and i'm saying the phrase criminal culpability here because the language she is quoting there in that clunky turn of phrase which she is deliberately repeating, that turn of phrase is from a federal criminal statute. 18 u.s. code section 1505. "whoever corruptly influences, obstructs or impedes the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the united states shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five years or if the s offense involves international or domestic terrorism imprisoned by not more than eight years." this is a federal crime that the vice chair of the investigation says it is inquiring about when it comes to mr. t

cheney there was very dry, very measured, there just giving you just the facts, but we have more than just those facts isolated. i want to show briefly comparing some of this starting with fox's laura ingraham, her private text appeal versus her lies on air. >> more than 99% had to be, were peaceful, but because of a small contingent of loons, these patriots have been unfairly maligned. >> or her colleague privately said the violent day was destroying everything in trump's legacy while publicly lying about the violence that occurred. >> i do not know trump supporters that have ever demonstrated violence that i know of in a big situation. >> or sean hannity who literally campaigned with trump privately pushing for him to intervene to try to get the insurrectionists out of the capitol. then he went on the air to down play the insurrection as somehow separate from trump's wider movement. >> people who acted violently today, they don't represent the millions of law-abiding, hardworking, tax paying citizens responsible american patriots that are worried about election integrity. this is a

cheney? >> i. >> ms. cheney i. >> i. >> mr. schiff? >> i. >> mr. schiff, i. >> mr. aguilar. >> i. >> mr. aguilar, i. >> mrs. murphy? >> i. >> mrs. murphy, i. >> mr. raskin? >> i. >> mr. raskin i. >> mrs. lauria? >> i. >> mr. kinzinger. >> kinzinger, i. >> mr. kinzinger, i. >> how is the chair recorded? >> mr. chairman, you're not recorded. >> i vote i. >> mr. chairman, i. >> the clerk will report the vote. >> mr. chairman, on this vote there are nine is and zero nos. >> the motion is agreed to. the vice chair is recognized. >> mr. chairman, pursuant to clause 2 l of rule 11 i request members have two calendar days to file with the clerk of committee supplemental or additional views on the order reported by the committee tonight. >> so ordered. without objection, staff is authorized to make any necessary technical or conforming changes to the report to reflect the actions of the committee. there being no further business without objection, the select committee stands adjourned. >> and so concludes the meeting of the january 6th committee, a 9-0 vote. not unexpected t

but let's be clear about what was revealed last night as liz cheney was reading those texts. i think what got exposed above all else is the total and complete fraud that donald trump, his allies in the white house, like mark meadows and others, and his allies in the media on fox news, the fraud that they have perpetuated on their voters, on their audience. there's a huge swath of the country that has bought into donald trump's big lie and what these text messages expose, i think above all else, is they knew they were selling a lie. it's right there. they understood, because they understood the severity of what was going on and urging the president to stop it. so, they understood what the lie had caused. and that, i think, is a new reading of that horrific day. >> and congressman, let me bring that to you and the question is now, what is the consequence now that we all know that the hosts over on fox were selling something that they did not believe. what consequence is there? because the people who buy the big lie are watching fox, and i have watched their report several times

>> liz cheney doesn't have the ability to make decisions about prosecuting. bully pulpit. she has the ability to gather information. and ultimately, the bipartisan committee that she's a part of will have the ability to make a referral to the justice department if they believe they've developed evidence of a crime. and it sure looks like liz cheney, even at this early point, believes that they're headed towards, at a minimum, evidence of obstruction of a government proceeding. so katie, you and i have both been here, you're in a long, complicated trial, you think the jury's attention may have wandered, so you do something to wake them up, i smack the table loudly. liz cheney has smacked the table loudly. there will be implications for the former president. like harry, think this was a strongly telegraphed message and it's hope for people who had given up on seeing accountability for the former administration. >> harry, joyce talks about accountability. do you think it's even worth the committee's time and effort to even try to subpoena former president donald

liz cheney understands that. >> two more things on liz cheney. all the things you said were right. two more things. she understands -- as dan just said, she understands the implications of it, the stakes. >> right. >> in a profound way. you can hear it in everything she says, in the not even just a fight about trump or trumpism. it is a fight about the future of american democracy. it is a fight about the soul of the country, whether the country stays what we all were raised to believe it is. >> right. >> and she's someone who plays the way you just described and she right now has nothing left to lose. that makes her incredibly powerful. she's rational. she knows that in this republican party, the one we live in today. she has no future. i think that little bit rates her in a profound way. there is no more dangerous player on the field than the one that's going for broke because there is no tomorrow. for her politically -- as we sit here now -- she imagines a world where there is a political future forrer. but she knows right now she has no future in the party. no. that gives here

i am just looking at liz cheney's remarks tonight.d trump direction, or inaction, corrupt will and seek to impede congress's official proceedings? well that is not something that you want to find out the idle curiosity or correct historical record. she is using language that they are discovering crimes. and she is talking explicitly about crimes, alleged crimes, by the former president. she raised the prospect that some members and witnesses of the investigation who have been asserting their fifth amendment rights against incriminating rights, is because they are anticipating criminal prosecution. and in describing members of congress is having taking part of those parts of the scheme that are potentially criminal. it seems like they have opened one a whole new kind of warms here we're in terms of potential criminal liability, not just for the officials, but currently serving members. >> yes. and you've already seen some people actually being prosecuted for real crimes. i think we forget that because, at this point, it is mark meadows

says this cheney last night. says liz cheney today. the vice chair has repeatedly asked that question. to make the case for how important it is to talk to mark meadows. she has repeatedly asked that question about the criminal culpability of former president donald trump. and by saying, for phrase, criminal culpability, because the language he is quoting there in that clunky turn of raids that she is deliberately repeating, that turn of frates's from a statute. 18 u.s. code section 15 oh. five whoever corruptly influences obstruct or impede the endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due to a proper administration of the law under which any proceedings is being had, must be fined in prison for five years or if the infants of all this international or domestic terrorism imprisoned not for more than eight years. this is a federal crime that the vice chair of the investigation says it is inquiring about when it comes to mr. trump. and they would like to question mr. meadows about whether or not mr. trump committed that crime. all

i'm just looking at liz cheney's remarks tonight. did donald trump through action or inaction corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress's official proceedings to count electoral votes. that's not something you want to find out through idle curiosity or to correct the historical record. she is using language that implies they are discovering crimes. and she is talking explicitly about crimes, alleged crimes by the former president. she raised the prospect that some members of -- some witnesses in this investigation who have been asserting their fifth amendment rights against self incrimination are doing so because they are anticipating criminal prosecution. and in describing members of congress as having taken part of those parts of the scheme that are potentially criminal, it seems like they've opened a whole -- it seems to me as an observer like they've opened a whole new can of worms in terms of potential criminal liability for not just former officials but currently serving members. >> yeah, and you've already seen some people

it is not a coincidence cheney repeated them today nearly verbatim. obstruction of congress is a crime. as "politico's" kyle cheney, no relation to liz, pointed out, that's the same language prosecutors have used to describe january 6 defendants they charged with obstruction. remember, this was more than just a riot. this was a months-long effort to overturn election results, first by pressuring republican officials in swing states not to certify results, to send trump electors to congress instead of the biden electors, and then leaning on gop members of congress to object to the certification on january 6, claiming widespread fraud, fraud we know that did not exist. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell, "punch bowl" founder jake sherman, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance who is also an msnbc legal analyst. jake, you've broken this story. the text messages were from you to mark meadows. tell us, did meadows ever respond? >> i hope to put this to bed after this. i was doing from actually this seat, katy, i was sit

he is the reason that liz cheney was able to read the texts aloud from donald trump jr. r from the normal allies at fox news of the former president, and given the committee a fresh burst of momentum. they had kind of been interviewing people behind the scenes. no one eweknew what their work do was doing from an outside perspective. and mitch mcconnell, he's also interested to see who is involved in all of this. >> how about liz cheney, having to be this not lone voice but pretty close to lone voice in the woods there, and reading her colleagues, her republican colleagues text messages outloud to make the case that they have to hold meadows in contempt, i mean, she has shown that she has a steely spine, but it can't be easy to do all of this. >> i don't think it's busy, but she's all in. stealy is the way to describe it, and it could cost her her congressional seat. there's no pretending that's not a problem for her, but she's made a decision which is that the country is more important to her than her congressional seat. i think you're going to continue to see liz cheney

i think people like liz cheney, why isn't liz cheney looking into the 500 plus riots that took placecities across the country in 2020? >> this is an insurrection on the capitol. i mean, what? maybe they are so twisted they don't realize what actual journalism is, that they're supposed to be doing. >> this is the story getting bigger over time. >> they didn't even air it tonight. >> they didn't, neither did news max. sean hannity interviewed mark meadows on the air and didn't bring up the relationship. i think what we're getting at is there is a reason this is being shoved down the memory hole over at fox. because it is so shameful. because this was a domestic terror attack. because our lawmakers were terrorized that day and it's embarrassing for the country. no wonder they try to stuff it down memory hole. these men and women at fox promoted the big lie and help d cause the fire and they all of a sudden try to call the fire department to stop it. no wonder they're embarrassed by what they helped cause. >> yeah. >> if they're capable and that's unknown. >> don, you just talked to -- >

liz cheney spoke on the house floor. said and then we'll talk. >> all of these texts are non-privileged, they are texts that mr. meadows has turned over and they are evidence of president trump's supreme dereliction of duty for 187 minutes and mr. meadows testimony will bear on another fundamental question before this committee and that is whether donald j. trump through action or inaction, corruptly sought to obstruct or impede congress' official proceeding to count electoral votes. >> what she's saying there corruptly sought to obstruct or impede an official proceeding, she's now repeated that a few times. she's referencing a criminal statute. >> 19 usc, section 1512, don, yes. this is a statute that the justice department has used or attempted to use with a number of the actual insurrectionists. it tends to be historically used for witness tampering type things. we've never had an attempt to stop certification of the electoral college votes. we never had this kind of violence in the capitol. so doj is using this statu

republicans who are not adam ki kinzinger or liz cheney is calling it a takedown of donald trump.t is inaction by the president, and it makes you wonder what doj is waiting for. perhaps this. perhaps this commission. to finally, you know, lob some charges over at trump and the folks who were around him on that day. it seems very clear, i think, to people watching that he did not follow the law and perhaps problem the law. >> laura, before we get to the aspect of the relationships with the fox news hosts who were clearly pleading with mark meadows, the most dramatic piece they unveiled last night were these texts from donald trump jr. so what does it say to you that he was going to the chief of staff, doesn't appear directly to his dad. we don't know whether or not he directly appeared to his own father, but he was going to the chief of staff at the time to try to get him to get through to his dad about this. >> so i don't have a psychology degree. i can't speak to sort of the bizarre father/son dynamics happening there. again, it does speak to sort of the facade that has been crea