of the january 6 committee, particularly those who put america above party alliances such as liz cheney, adam kinzinger, and to the chairman for running what in my experience was one of the most extraordinary hearings ever held by congress. i first came to washington as a fabey lawyer. i sat behind a man named arthur on the iran-contra investigation. however much i love arthur, i have to say those hearings didn't work out so well. i've learned some things from that and i took, and i just want to give profound thanks to the levin center for proposing this. they have done all the work here. i get to give you some lunch in a room and welcome you to georgetown. but they have organized an extraordinary panel. i'm happy to see my friend lisa desjardins, we spent too much time on pbs talking about some impeachments. and so now i'm going to get it over to jim who will introduce our star-studded cast so we can learn what happened behind the curtain in the january 6th hearings. thank you very much. [applause] >> well, good afternoon and thank you. professor nourse. i jim townsend, the director of

staff's office and in fact, in his say, david adding to who was chief of staff to vice president cheney. that was the only copy it was that secret. insane. were you ever get charlie and say it really right. it's an obvious violation of the law, but see the vial is so law and essence, nash security took priority. now security was they were going to let the constitution get away. i was actually told that it was a queen document the the fighter couldn't keep up with the times. this i heard actually get conditions. you don't understand mr. drake. because i said, what are we doing, violating the law. and if you remember that we go back to congress and i was told i was actually told by the chief counsel in the general counsel's office. that if we go to congress, why do i want to do those? say no. now this is right after $911.00. this is before the patriot act was passed . wow. which itself really push the boundaries? but at least it was legislation formulated by congress, right? and then signed into law by the president. this is before that, this is that period before that. and so, yeah it's,

he is one of the cheney. alumnis is a victoria newland. of course i know chaney and you go back years in some ways to like the seventy's. when did this all start then? because if they were planning it way before the one year, one year ago when a russia moved into dumbass for that for the big fight back minsk, we had a un security council resolution. this would completely violate that resolution to 202 to try and calm things down when it came to the ukraine, or rush versus russian speaking areas of ukraine situation. we had newland, and the phone call. thank the u. e in 2014. of course, all the media you mention the new york times washington post and the whole war started a year ago. when did it start? and why would the buy and joe biden personally are talking about and jake sullivan and add to the blinking. they knew that they knew minsk was in force and they just went, go for blow the thing up. well mention i think the record immense is pretty horrible. i mean, i, if you know, chancellor, former cesar merkle said literally the words i'm g

i believe that liz cheney should be running.icans -- the republican from massachusetts that just left. i'm trying to think of his name. charlie baker. he would make a hell of a good president and so would liz cheney. from my end of it. i have a question on social security. they want to do away with social security. what are people supposed to live on if they do away with social security? host: do you think they are going to do away with social security? do you think it will go away? caller: that is what the republicans want. they want to do away with social security. even trump said that. you are talking about millions of people here in the united states. what are these people supposed to live off of? host: mccarthy and president biden are set to meet today to talk about the debt ceiling and this issue of spending cuts and concerns about cuts to social security and medicaid have come up as part of that discussion. it's this is the washington post, speaker mccarthy has said social security and medicare are quote off the table, ev

the 1st pipeline was, was announced in late in, under the bush cheney years. and i can tell you that, going back to the kennedy years that we've always, that the worry has been that russia because of its enormous amount of natural gas and, and, and, and an oil in, you know, in all of a rush, asia is full of a a ra, minerals, and gas, methane gas, where there's always been a worry that russia, what would the word we use as weaponized, weaponized gas, particularly as a weapon, political weapon in the, in the struggle with us that's been going on since world war 2. sash, i'll stop you there. more from the pulitzer prize winning legendary journalists after this break. ah, ah, i think russia in the 21st century has taken several opportunities to try to see if there would be interest in the west to create new boundaries to create a new relationship. and as you mentioned, time and time and time again, it would get flatly rejected because we have sort of pushed russia into this corner, ideologically attitude. me to say, you're the adversary. you're the, we may not be

the 1st pipeline was, was announced in late in, under the bush cheney years. and i can tell you that, going back to the kennedy years that we've always, the worry has been that russia because of its enormous amount of natural gas and, and, and, and an oil in, you know, in all of a rush, asia is full of a, a ra, minerals, and gas, methane gas, where there's always been a worry that russia, what would the word we're uses weaponized, weaponized gas, particularly as a weapon, political weapon in the, in the struggle with us that's been going on since world war 2. sash, i'll stop you there. more from the pulitzer prize winning legendary journalist after this break. ah, ah, ah ah . mm. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on offensive. very dramatic development. only nationally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very katy killed time. time to sit down and talk ah, welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with pulitzer prize winning, legendary jo

cheney kind of an everybody sai this is a disgrace, he's pullin all the strings, people complained whene president. >> i think she might be brilliantly acting like a deflection target so the press can he praise on biden. that is a theory that came from this brain. >> i think what you were saying was accurate. if you like everywhere we turn we don't have state leadership at this point anymore. i was watching that podcast today i don't even know who our governor is. so when you're immediate boss i in the state that joe biden is in, what she supposed to do? jump up and start kk she is elected to be vice president, joe. you make me sick. >> but when you give somebody a job in than you forget you gave them a job, that's not fair. how can you work like that? she probably passes him in the hallway and says you should cal us we might have something for you. >> how are the tps reports, we've got to go. should puberty be almost done before social media is on? ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on my skin♪ ♪tha

if joe biden were to look in the mirror today the reflection would be dick cheney.ost: that is terry in north carolina. this is today's washington post. "what a year of war has revealed about three different leaders." those leaders, loaded near zelinski, joe biden, and vladimir putin. he writes who could have imagined that a ukrainian comic actor could prove to be the first truly heroic reader -- heroic leader of the 21st century. who would bet that vladimir putin would grossly miss read intelligence and history and ransom his country in what amounted to a fairytale about the oneness of russia and ukraine. he writes that who would've bet that the 80-year-old u.s. president would turn out to be the most undervalued american leader in modern times. president biden's visit monday to kyiv was a defining moment in his presidency. even conservative commentators who make a living trashing him had to be stirred by seeing him standing in saint michael square while air raid sirens blared. this is fred in seattle, democrat, you are next. caller: good morning. during the talk a

how they seem to be concentrated in ohio, liz cheney, as are liz cheney and, definitely our reagan republican. i would as about as tough as president reagan did. it seems that a lot more politicians are very socially conscious of the whole don't country is more socially conscious. and that's an absolutely great point. although i think if reagan were here if he'd say what we need to lift up all of us not because we're different but because we're the same and help the people who are in need for. of race or gender or anything else. he was not a hater. something to be said for his optimistic vision. we can try living up to. anybody else. i think that it's going to take. i think that it's going to in the trajectory of what trump has set up for the republican party until there's another great leader that rises like reagan that knows how to use rhetoric and narrative, a way to speak to the american people without offending anybody and somewhat being able to change a little bit of their mindset to get them back to kind where we were with reagan. yeah, i think that's such a smart comment that it depen

i certainly think so, i think liz cheney has done that. but she is now a former representative.oliticians unit of commerce, by and large,'s reelection. michael bloomberg once said, the three things politicians most want's reelection, number two his reelection, three is a big reelection. that's where we are. i think the only way, the only amendment i would make to what you said, there needs to be people speaking up against this -- i fear that the only way to make this point, is to defeat republicans who want. and i never thought i'd be in a position of saying, voting for one party or the other is crucial to the survival of the constitutional order, but i continue to believe in this moment, that voting for the democratic party is a vote for democracy lower case b. the democratic party could lose its mind at some point. but as of tonight, it hasn't. the arguments that people have with the democrats are recognizable american arguments. about the relative role of the state, in the marketplace, the projection of force against commonly agreed upon foes and rivals. that's all a recogniz

they cheney coke. yeah. but to go, you go way out and in theory now let's look at a year ago a we see children crappy coke if you nancy the dean theme or anything like that. ah, i know i will struggle is armed struggle for all the with this type of struggle, one to fight with like a logical weapon, social weapon, economic weapon and political weapons. and that this is all to really more powerful . again, oppression, injustice, interior that is violent. ah, with i think vietnam influence my view about the importance of non violent struggle and particularly importance of getting gene sharks ideas out to the rest of the world. ah, a medicare no blurry they put out a, a local to with a stop like is seeing young a lot of meet their friends. the intelligence school day less paula. they listen to see, they told me that i made it nom, convince me that we need to have an alternative to killing for a trip on the one thing he shot a day. but he doesn't know venus calls for some time in a bit of money. i've been on this

to support the eventual nominee, i wonder how difficult that's going to be for, let's say, if liz cheneyential she would say, yes, i would support donald trump or governor hutchenson who said trump's activities around january 6th disqualified him. of course, will trump even make the pledge? >> you are putting your finger on the core irony here. many people are interpreting this rule as an attempt to put sh shackles and constrain donald trump when this rule may benefit donald trump. we all know from his history as a developer in new york, we know how much weight donald trump puts on commitments he makes and written commitments. the idea he would sign this to get on the debate stage and not find a reason to renounce it later if he thinks that's in his interest, that's ridiculous. i think everyone would expect that if trump feels he was badly treated or just doesn't like losing, if he does lose, in fact, he would find a way out of this commitment. on the other hand, this commitment might preclude from the stage soft of the voices that would make the sharpest voices against trump like liz ch

join me now, one of the reporters who broke the story, tom cheney, one of the senior political affairsreporter for politico. what details about the case and who blocked it and why? >> as you mentioned, the fbi seized scott perry's phone and august, and they have not been able to access the key documents they want on there, in part because it's very rare to seize the phone of a sitting member of congress, and they have constitutional protection that they can invoke so the doj apparently is treading carefully. they have been fighting this secret legal battle, a grand jury fight, always secrecy around those. since august, really playing out behind seasons and a way that most people did not realize until recently to break through this sort of constitutional shield that perry is wielding. in fact, they won a ruling on this in december, seem poised to get access to it, but a three judge appeals court panel earlier put a complete hold on the is and is asking for more argument and debate about whether they can do that that will take at least several more weeks, so it's slowing down whatever mo

caller: as far as compromise, liz cheney sums it up for me. the corruption of former president trump and those who tried to corrupt president zelenskyy are outlandish. republicans want to stay in. the santos, -- desantis, green e, boebert. marco rubio paid cash for his mention -- mansion. governor desantis wants no -- host: we are talking about this week in congress with liz goodwin. after last week's vote to rim move ill hand omar from the foreign affairs -- remove ill hand omar -- remove ilhan omar from the foreign affairs committee -- guest: they had objections to votingguest: omar off. they had process concerns about what if this becomes a situation where every time a republican becomes in charge they kick off members of the other party that they do not like and there is not a fair process. a lot of the followed of that vote is speaker mccarthy taking steps to streamline that, make there be an actual process that has rules to it so it is a little less subjective in the coming years. part of that is making an official code of conduct for me

they cheney coke. yeah. but to go you go way out and in theory less what kind of the, like the lateral allison children will crack the coke if you nancy, of the cdn theme or anything like that. ah, i will trouble is armed struggle for all the with this type of struggle, one to fight with like a logical weapon, social weapon, economic weapons, and political weapons. and that this is all to really more powerful, again, oppression, injustice, frontier that is violent ah, [000:00:00;00] with vietnam influence, my view about the importance of non violent struggle and particularly importance of getting gene sharks, ideas out to the rest of the world. ah, a medicare no beauty, they put out a, a local to with a stop like is seeing young a lot of meet defense intelligence school k last fall they listed with i'm it yet. and i'm convinced me that we need to have an alternative billing for a shot a day. but you know, the nurse calls for some time in a minute on this friday. a manual increase took us a key and shot up an

you're pretty sure how much my that'll help all cheney and i chose, they just did all the little that on a sure what it just either grade a little bit of us. it is in the story that other i've been busy. one was just there for a senior slave, wasn't nettled where the music business that'll show a cbs where it's michelle mother. she's in a few situation, a not on the bus. this is a junior that all bars does. katy? i thought if she did, i don't, poignant is a little kettles. incentives issue peacefully regime a feature you're wanting to know was early, early eat a when you are yes. senior year and i for one out of below festival. i mean, you could, when you caught alamita the were we took that the flight you do is get to know what amino doors mr. or do you wanna book it that she has to? she also oh yeah. are much noise my air, but either way, i know the butcher, but still it from a mazda dealership for there. supposedly it was mentioned average after like, bullshit. okay. on the casual though. yeah, mobile bullshit. children with bush let's to let the advisers deviation the more more. w

one of his targets was rider michelle so he said stupid cheney's. >> and then i believe you repeated himself only we didn't respond. young says she was visiting the city on thursday and wanted to take public transit like she doesn't. each major metro. she goes to she tried ignoring the man on the 38 bus, but he continued to get aggressive. >> always says disconcerting to be the subject of any kind attack and then one that includes so kind of threat of violence. >> young says another passenger stepped in to help protect or from the he was hit with most of the eggs. but when the unknown man got off the bus, the egg throwing resume and he started launching eggs. >> through the windows at the and then his last 20, you ran along the side of it. stop when he saw me and threw it right directly at me in the window after posting the video to twitter, another muni rider says this same man threw food at her back in what is your problem? wendi zhang, shared this video of her encounter with kron 4. he started yelling racist slurs against a nation people, especially. >> a trade is keep flying at m

liz cheney, former republican congresswoman, wanted to focus the panels final report primarily on thex president -- and all the evidence clearly establishes donald trump as the centrifugal force that but about january 6th, and we must be clear this threat goes far beyond him. since democrats surprising success in the midterms, will -- fight for our democracy is over and it has been won. it is a trap that even president biden seemed to fall into in the state of the union. >> and two years ago, democracy faced its greatest threats as in the civil war today. bruised, our democracy remains on about an unbroken. >> but, as glick rights, and i quote, grappling with this truth, that democracy is still in danger, especially from political violence, is of course more difficult than isolating in dismissing trump as a villainous rogue actor. the truth is that the threat to our democracy in our country is still very much alive, he says. because those same groups have now moved on to new targets, i will leave you with this stark warning from jacob glick. quote, we cannot afford to look the other w

former trump appointee, and spoken out forcefully, deliberately, she could've done exactly what liz cheneydid, exactly what adam kinzinger did. but she did, and she stayed silent because you wanted to protect her political prospects, but again when people say silent and no better, that's worse to me almost in the actual perpetrators who are doing what they're doing. you know all it takes is one video for people to stay silent for evil to triumph, that's true for nikki haley. >> let me give you lost were tear on, this relative what mitt romney says, the more crowded on the gop size, the more it gives it to donald trump i splintering it. what do you think? >> he's absolutely right. at the lincoln project we've made this point repeatedly. and the idea that donald trump is no longer a threat, or that, oh it's all about ron desantis, and trump is an afterthought, that's bs. because more people who are in this, they split the primary vote. republicans have an all or nothing winner takes all primary system. it's not like the democrats, so if they have all of these vanity candidates, like nikki ha

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yes, been uniform school was not on your seat yet there, which is an opportunity to finish up with cheney. what about the about anthem? no wish. no, but i thought a poor and yes to company she and i'm yes now which is not pretty cheap. may it, dear by the other article. see there are some of the with when you with yes. yes. thanks. i appreciate i really stealing it for you skips the other one. yeah. which i think of it's been a do is what's going to cost more so that comes out with a customer socially with the only way to reach hi, silent is by ice breaker every year. the dos. good roommate research vessel miss. i, you know, some of carry stuff to the island where the station clean optic volunteers hitch a ride to the island. will she get it with with, with the how to get a feel is the me as in that i'm not sure was that he's on watching to please give me a me and when you, when we see a some stay on the oil stuff so much like a helicopter helps the crew december, the ice breaker there left a container with enough equipment and food to keep the expedition going for a month. ah, more thoug

as a cheney engineer, i don't get a break. egg bound is heading. why is it so important to keep on cleaning the locomotive, went through it with if you, if everything down as a cleaning rags next door, you can feel right away. if the screws loose over, those is sort of now we had back down the mountain when our locomotive number 7 is trundling along, all the other trains on the road have to make way for it. the slow pace is all the better for enjoying this pick. take you love you. 2021 is the $150.00 the anniversary of the ye re weight. the locomotive was restored and put beckoned service, especially for it. an hour after leaving the top of the line, we arrived at fits now station on lake lucerne. and now it's my turn at the controls again. they let me drive the locomotive onto the turntable and into the shed, all by myself. well, almost ah. but what would you say? how did i do that? god bless you, did a very good job. even drove it yourself, this country, so i could almost grant you a diploma. many things, it was really great fun and i never thoug

sununu, former governor hogan, chris christie, the former governor of arkansas, asa hutchinson, liz cheney, who is now out of office. i do think there will be quite a push to more candidates. mike pompeo, former secretary of state. some of them have associations with trump. some of them define their identities in what they aredent. kristen: of waiting to see if president biden will run again. i wonder if you think the odds of that went up after the state of the union? >> i think he bought himself a little time because it was considered a pretty strong address a week ago tonight. i think the way he could parry with republicans and seemed to kind of dare them to challenge him, he looked strong, in command, and it looked like a good performance. given a little bit more breathing room, i think it is likely he runs, although he is staying a little coy on the subject. the fact is that no one else is running against him, so as incumbent president, he does not have a ton of pressure to face him, but ultimately, he will have to make a decision some time in the spring or summer to give other democra

one of his targets was rider michelle so he said stupid cheney's. >> and then they believe he repeated himself only we didn't respond. young says she was visiting the city on thursday and wanted to take public transit like she doesn't. each major metro. she goes to she tried ignoring the man on the 38 bus, but he continued to get aggressive. >> it's always just disconcerting to be the subject of any kind attack. and then one that includes so kind of threat of violence. >> young says another passenger stepped in to help protect or from the he was hit with most of the eggs. but when the unknown man got off the bus, the egg throwing resume and he started launching eggs. >> through the windows at the and then his last 20, you ran along the side of it. stop when he saw me and threw it right directly at me in the window after posting the video to twitter, another muni rider says this same man threw food at her back in what is your problem? wendi zhang, shared this video of her encounter with kron 4. he started yelling racist slurs asian especially. >> a >> is keep flying at me and calling me

it goes back to the days of bush cheney. as you know, i did a lot reporting for the new yorker about these people to this particular group. anyway, at that time they started talking about the threat of cheap energy to europe. we have always read the threat that europe will be more willing to trade with russia. we have always wanted to isolate russia, this has been a topic of recent decades. so is that europe will evade the war. the cia brought a compression chamber that they installed on the ship, because he is a hunter for submariners, the submariners were at the level of immersion at 79 m. the norwegians. found the most the lowest level is the shallowest place of the baltic sea between sweden and denmark which is called an island and they were training. there , the submariners were at a depth of 79 m, where the land line is located, the pipelines are covered with steel, but also with concrete slabs. so blow them up. that's serious work. if you want to know, it was a brilliant operation. in terms of a classic operation, bec

oh me, be cheney, and welcome to come pick, go. thank you very much, jim. it's a pleasure to be with you. we've had almost a year of war in ukraine, tens of thousands of people, dad, many thousands more injured, mass destruction and misery. what good has any of this brought to russia? there is no good that that's not the job. yes. the issue is there could have easily been prevented. but it wasn't. and that makes it the real tragedy. as russia are bitten off more than it can chew. russia and certainly confronting the most difficult issue militarily, politically, socially internationally, something that i think very few people thought that it would have to confront. but it's coping it's learning. it's improving things, but it's hard. it's going to be hard for, for quite some time. i'm sure you say it's coping and improving things. what should we read into all the changes of command desperation? kremlin anger at the failure so far? i think that would be very superficial. there's certainly any amount of under your been imagine, although what's, what's happening

aside from of course liz cheney and adam kinzinger. they were selected by nancy pelosi. so i think we did have concerns about the makeup of the committee and the fact that it would be a more partisan base committee. and some of those concerns were born at through this process and i'm sure we will get a chance to dive into that more. i was subpoenaed for my participation. i was not looking to raise my hand and voluntarily jump up and do. i think in conversations with the vice president, there was always this sense of its own responsibility. whether we like it or not, it has an ability to subpoena and he always said to us, we want to make sure that our office products privileges that future administrations will want to use but at the same time, if the committee has subpoenaed you and please participate and be transparent. there is nothing that our office looks to shield from the committee. there are questions whether vice presidency has the privilege to look over documents as well. we deferred to the vice president's team and his legal counsel that there was nothing we loo

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. >> maxine cheney is one of the charter schoolteachers who will be job hunting while finishing the last three months of the school year. she and her fellow teachers and the families of about 650 middle and high school students just found out in january that the two summit campuses in sunnyvale will likely close in june. if bill's son has to change schools at the end of his sophomore year, he says it will be a big disruption for him and for the family. >> if we were to change schools now, it will be very difficult for him to make a transition, changing from this system to a conventional school system. either that, or we would have to drive 13 miles to a different school along with the traffic, and i have to work, and it will be -- it's almost impossible. >> reporter: in a statement, the chief of public affairs for summit public schools says a specific series of financial issues when taken together put denali in an unfortunate situation. it is a wonderful school, and while we don't want to close its, we don't see a viable path forward to remain open. in a report, the county office of educ

yeah. langley cheney cork page. so know who you best say low their soft power and they get the final goal. these seem revolutions to ensure that there are no independent players in the world anymore. ah welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor at the k at about joe be former director of the institute for pan african thought and conversation at the university of johannesburg on yugoslavia. and it has to be said, i mean, obviously on iraq in those sanctions, some sector generals might have resigned over half a 1000000 deaths in iraq. as regards the yugoslavia, i'm not sure whether you think that was aggression, nato bombing yugoslavia and destroying last place completely white. why was he not more vocal in stopping up the breakup of yugoslavia, which nato went for time? and tim began during his tenure, and that was the worst was in the 2nd world war, that was the beginning of things. maybe even the seeds of the grain will well, you see, i mean, my understanding of the yoga la was, is that these

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