cheney: what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not eating?s mcca-- mccarthy. >> yeah he's really depressed. she talked about other republicans were angry and disgusted that mccarthy had gone running back to trump and there's a text going around and she writes that her republican colleagues, quote, some mocked him, circulating that trump/mccarthy photo along with, get ready, the clip from the movie jerry mcgwire where tom cruise tells rene zel wigger, you complete me. >> we're learning about the new house speaker, mike johnson, tell me about that. >> when cheney was writing this book, she did not know that mike johnson was going to be the next speaker of the house. >> he was in leadership but nobody knew he was going to be speaker any time soon. >> what she writes is now critical because cheshe lays ou specifically, the important role he was playing behind the scenes enabling trump. he was pressuring members, specifically freshmen members, to support trump in all of this. there were also details about her former relationship with nancy pelosi,

this is liz cheney. this is somebody who was a deeply conservative republican who was in the leadership of the house of representatives. she is within that world. and so many of the voices that are coming out now are the people who are, you know, in the white house, who were part of trump's team, his former secretary of defense, his attorney general, his national security adviser. all of these people saying to the american people, look, remember what happened. this is what we saw. this is the danger that donald trump poses. maya is absolutely right. there is a real significance about the challenge that they are opposing to members of their own party. are you going to continue to look the other way? are you going to continue to enable this? because it's not just same old, same old. it's not just rewarding donald trump for what he's done, because donald trump is escalating. trump 2.0 is not the same as trump 1.0. trump is raising the stakes all the time. so, therefore, the moral challenge to republicans wh

. >>> plus, liz cheney is naming names for enabling donald trump. which congressman called the former president "orange jesus." >>> good morning. welcome. right now, negotiators are racing to extend that truce between israel and hamas. today could potentially be the final day if they fail. hamas released another round of hostages yesterday with more to come today, the white house saying it remains hopeful that two americans will be among the women and children reloose zbld the family of the young israeli hostage 10-month-old they have been notified that the baby and his 4-year-old will not be freed today. hamas allowed an outside journalist to witness yesterday's hostage turnover yesterday. you see an 86-year-old grandmother in a wheelchair. a masked gunman wheeling to the red cross convoy as a crowd cheers and records on their phone. escorting a 17-year-old while clutching her dog, with her mother, crossing back into israel. some brand-new reporting on the behind the scenes effort at the white house to free additional hostages. phil, what more are

what is liz cheney revealing in this explosive new book? >> reporter: wolf, this is an extraordinary book because it takes you behind the scenes. she names names, she has the receipts. and as you just said, a big part of it is calling out the republican party for supporting trump for his election lies. here's one quote from the book. "donald trump cannot succeed alone. he depends upon enablers and collaborators. every american should understand what his enablers in congress and in the leadership of the republican party were willing to do to help trump seize power in the months after he lost the 2020 presidential election and what they continue to do to this day." wolf, it's important to note, the book draws from text messages, emails, calls, meetings, as well as personal conversations. these -- this is a picture behind the scenes of what was really going on in the republican party, and we're learning about it for the first time, wolf. >> let me ask you this question, jamie. liz cheney shares two very telling stories about the ousted speaker

are people following liz cheney to take on this cause. is there a drumbeat or not? you need leadership that requires a clear call, and i wish we had a full screen of that quote. liz cheney, who was very conservative who said we need to build a broader coalition to defend the country and the constitution from donald trump and that he's been enabled by cowardice in her political party that is utterly unconnected to anything resembling constitutional values and one of the excerpts saying we're not the party of reagan anymore saying kevin mccarthy and liz cheney. this is about -- we're almost 250 years old and the longest lasting democracies in the world. we've never had a leading party candidate campaign as it would be auto rat and that is what liz cheney is warning is happening within her party as a result of cowardice on the part of the people that don't have the spine to stand up to what they know is wrong. so, yes, this is a time ff choosing. we have seen republicans lose their spine of critical moments like the impeachment and what cheney is doing, i will be that

cheney, what? you went to mar-a-lago, because trump's not eating?mccarthy, yeah, he's really depressed. anderson. >> wow. >> yeah. i don't, i don't know what to say. a spokesman for kevin mccarthy, kevin mccarthy did not respond personally, but his spokesman put out a statement saying, quote, for cheney first it was trump derangement syndrome, and now apparently it's also mccarthy derangement syndrome. i think it's worth noting that kevin mccarthy, his spokesman does not deny any of the quotes we've reported from cheney's book. so, he's standing by this defense that he went there because trump wasn't eating. >> what does cheney say about the new house speaker, mike johnson? >> so this is interesting, because cheney actually wrote the book before johnson became speaker. but, she included him in the book, because he was playing such a large role. according to cheney, johnson was pressuring republican members, especially freshman, to support trump. and that he just was playing this critical role behind the scenes, to try to help trump overturn the elec

cheney, what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump is not eating?ccarthy, yeah, he's really depressed. i don't know, sara, it's just -- i've heard a lot of things, it reminds me a little bit about when she children had chocolate icing all over their mouth and they told me they hadn't eaten any cake. it's just -- it's not credible. >> that was a really good analogy, jamie. i'm sure your kids will appreciate you for that. >> sorry, guys. >> there are a lot of other revelations in the book we're learning for the first time including -- and this i found fascinating -- some behind the scenes looks at what was happening on january 6th before the attack began. what can you tell us? >> so i think this goes to frankly the hypocrisy. we have heard all along that republicans say one thing privately, another thing publicly, and there is an extraordinary scene in the book, this is in the gop cloak room, where members were being encouraged to sign their names the morning of january 6 on electoral vote objection sheets. cheney spots congressman mark green of tenne

some of it riveting or lurid from cheney's account. we know the legal stuff called to deal with donald trump through the legal process and criminal process. he awaits trial. she's said her piece. what does it mean she's filling in the details with back room story, and how does it intercept with the coup trial that's coming, that jack smith won a subpoena on the issues? i'm going complete my reporting. my thoughts on that when i'm back in 60 seconds. n seconds unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant... is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms... ...better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be li

cheney asked. they're really worried, mccarthy said. not eating so they asked me to come see him. cheney responded, what, you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not eating? >> yeah. he's really depressed, mccarthy said. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california and tara set meyer, senior adviser to the lincoln project once served as republican communications director on capitol hill before leaving the party. i wonder why that happened. representative swalwell -- >> he's not eating? was mccarthy a chef? he counted the skittles, but he's going to go down and help him eat? >> the problem with him being concerned about his food consumption is that donald trump pretty much only eats mcdonald's and diet coke. unless he's like an uber eats driver, i'm not sure how he would help him. i would love for you to comment on the fact that the former speaker of the house of representatives felt that he had to go to the home of the insurrectionist to feed him? >> these guys see their jobs tied exclusively to donald trump. and so they use

cheney maintains that donald trump is a major threat to democracy. she calls many in his party collaborators. she names name, one of them kevin mccarthy who she said only went to mar-a-lago after the january 6th attack throwing mr. trump's career a lifeline because donald trump was depressed. he wasn't even eating. we have more details. so jamie, mccarthy and trump have responded to your reporting about what's in cheney's book. i want to note that neither mr. trump nor mr. mccarthy has exactly the best record when it comes to truthfulness and accuracy, but that said, what did they have to say? >> so no surprise, some big-name republicans are not happy with liz cheney's book, which, as you say, has gone to number one in the ratings. >> i hope we're getting a percentage. >> would you stop. so a spokesman for donald trump said that the book belongs in the fiction section of the bookstore, that these are nothing more than completely fabricated stories. he -- >> clever. very original. >> he also said that liz cheney is a loser. >> also original. was that

cheney says, sorry let me get it here -- mar-a-lago, what the cabin?>> kevin mccarthy says, they're really worried trump is not eating. so they asked me to come see him. cheney, what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump is not eating? mccarthy, yes. he is really depressed. >> seriously jamie? you really can't script this, if this is been an actual show it would've jumped the shark a long time ago. let me bring in here for a second, if you think about these moments let's bring in the former congressman who saw this. is that seriously what his motivation was for going down to mar-a-lago? >> no he was going because in the three weeks between january six, when for 15 minutes, the republicans all said the right thing they condemned the january 6th attack. they said trump was responsible. all of a sudden, kevin mccarthy can't raise money anymore. kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker of the house. and i am sure congressman kinzinger can speak to this much better than i do, he goes running back to trump because he thinks he needs trump's help to get money and t

this is something that liz cheney said about hum. johnson appeared especially susceptible the to flattery from trump and a aspired to be anywhere in trump's orbit. when i confronted him with the flaws in his legal arguments, johnson would often concede or say something to the effect of, we just need to do this one last thing for trump. i think, to me, reading this again, the most striking thing is the legal argument. because one of the things about mike johnson, he's a very good lawyer. that's how he came up, as a very good lawyer. so the the arguments he was making after the election in 2020 and the work that he did, even on the brief, was the legal arguments. the fact that cliz cheney also lawyer, was going at him saying, no, no. according to her, he said, well, maybe it's not so much about that. >> but nothing has changed. he's already endorse d the formr president for president again. so this is someone who has remained faithful to thement former president. the other thing that strikes me about the excerpts is how consistent adam

cheney revealing how republicans addressed her.t a later political benefit to her when she impeached trump in the insurrection she opposed. in a closed door meeting, cheney writes in her view from her experience what she saw was a bunch of republican men assailing her in very gendered and sometimes sexist terms. they didn't like her, quote, tone, she writes andhought she was not contrite for breaking with the party. the republican mike kelly saying he felt like an unrequited boyfriend. quote, it's like you're playing in the biggest game of your life and you look up and you see your girlfriend sitting on the opponent's side, kelly said. several astonishedomen in the conference who didn't vote with cheney but still viewed it, as she writes in a similar way started yelling. quote, she's not your gifrnd. "the times" has this blockbuster account from the forthcoming book. and see there mischeney agreeing, recounting what she said back. yeah, i'm not your girlfriend. the meeting continued with another congressman ralph norman saying, you

first of all, cheney is pulling no punches on this. she is talking about her former colleague, talks about him being shameless, to say the least. hypocrites who followed him when they knew he pose a great danger. but he's still the head of the republican party, even at this moment in time. will this make any difference? >> i do not think it will. i look at the states, the filing deadlines. the change in the roles. i know michigan is going to be in essence, a winner take all. rubio gotta third of the votes, that casey got a list of that delegates back in 2013. and it has changed. he had a big lead over everybody when you put him together. so he is by far the front runner and will be very hard to catch. >> i wonder on that point. because trump did some pretty significant pr campaigning against liz cheney. even going as far to call her a rhino, trying to discredit her among the party to say, you should not listen to her because she's not really a republican. you covered her time in congress in particular, did that lay the groundwork as to

and i think liz cheney is showing what a powerful asset she can be. she's making the case that trump is simply unacceptable. an existential threat to american democracy as we have known it. it may not be a huge number of republican primary voters who will accept that message but the issue for joe biden would be, are there four or five points of general election voters who are dissatisfied with the economy? or disenchanted with his performance or thinking is too old, as in 2022, will vote for democrats anyway because they view the trump alternative is too extreme. and it this book gives you a preview of the kind of fire power that liz cheney can bring, perhaps with some other former first term trump officials like john kelly and mark esper, potentially. so i think this gives you an idea of what a player on the board she might be in 2024 and what will be a crucial effort for biden to win some voter who are not wowed by his record over his four years. >> so many outspoken people who worked for him. at one point supported him. thank you for talking about

cheney says, sorry. let me get it here. mar-a-lago, what the heck, kevin?mccarthy says, they're really worried. trump's not eating. so they asked me to come to see him. >> cheney, what, you went to mar-a-lago because trump's not eating? mccarthy, yes, he is really depressed. >> seriously, jamie? i mean, we really can't script this. if this was an actual show, it would have jumped the shark, as they say, a long time ago. let me bring in here for a second, though to think about these moments, i want to bring in the former congressman kinzinger, who lived this and saw this. is that seriously what his motivation was for going down to mar-a-lago? >> no, no. he was going because in the three weeks between january 6th when for 15 minutes, the republicans all said the right thing, they condemned the january 6th attack. they said trump was responsible. all of the sudden, kevin mccarthy can't raise money anymore. kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker of the house. and i'm sure, congressman kinzinger and can speak to this much better than i do. but, he goes running back

the thing here is, look, liz cheney does not hold back. we know what she thinks but she comes here with quotes and receipts and all kinds of conversations. she calls out people by name. we laugh at the orange jesus. yet maybe the whole point is, if someone's going to call someone an orange jesus and still go ahead and do their bidding, maybe the joke's on them. >> exactly. what's going to be so remarkable about this book is liz cheney knows all of these players intimately well. she was one of kevin mccarthy's chief deputies, and he was majority leader. she knows them. she has texts. she's had conversations. and what she says here underscores something that i witnessed for the entire time that i was in the white house is that many elected republicans, while they publicly praise donald trump, say something very different privately. they openly kind of acknowledge that he's unfit, he's unserious, he often doesn't know what he's talking about. >> even mocking him. >> i think it's really important she's pointing that out because there's a crave

mccarthy told liz cheney, two days after the presidential election in 2020. last night on trump's lawyers filed a massive discovery request in the case of united states of america versus donald j trump, in which donald trump is accused of crimes leading up to and on january 6th in his attempt to overturn that election. in their filing, the criminal defense lawyers say that prosecutors, quote, cannot blame president trump for public discord and distrust of the 2020 election results. trump's defense lawyers insist that it was perfectly reasonable for donald trump to believe that there was election fraud, no matter how many times he was told by his own attorney general and white house lawyers that there was no election fraud. and now comes kevin mccarthy saying he knows it's over. two days after the presidential election. the trump criminal defense lawyers request for discovery demands, they are demanding documents from all over the federal government, one of the many claims for discovery that the trump lawyers make is, quote, president trump is entitled to all

cheney is pulling no punches on this. she is talking about her former colleagues, talks about them being shameless, hypocrites who follow him when they knew he posed a grave danger, but he still really the head of the republican party even at this moment in time. will this make any difference? >> i don't think it will. i look at the states, the filing deadlines, the change in the rules. michigan is going to be a winner take all and rubio got a third of the votes. kasich got a third of the delegates back in 2016, and he got a third, and it's changed. he's got a big lead over everybody when you even put them together. so he is by far the front-runner land be very hard to catch. >> i wonder, leanne on that point, trump did some pretty significant pr campaigning against one liz chain. >> in even going so far as to call her a rino, trying to discredit her, saying you shouldn't listen to her because she not even really a republican. you covered her time in congress in particular. did that lay the groundwork as to why it might n

all, she's a cheney.insider. she's all out of bleeps to give. she has a great deal of knowledge of what has been going on, both in your experience in republican leadership, and in the january 6th committee. and she is going to spend, i'm thinking in the next year, holding her fellow republicans feet to the fire and saying do you really want to do this? choose honor or dishonor. this is the moment of choosing. do you want to go down in history the way that history will remember, say mitt romney, or do you want to become just another lindsey graham, potted plant, in congress? i do think republicans, this moment of choice, republicans have already made their choice. i think that this is donald trump's party. but what happened today is an indication that there are some folks who have considerable resources who are not just going to roll over. now, of course the question is whether that actually matters, whether or not the big money, the dark money, the billionaire donor class money actually matters anymore in

cheney saying what? you went to mar a lago because trump's not eating. mccarthy saying, yeah, he's really depressed. going back to that, nikki haley endorsement by afp, the group says it has never engaged in a presidential election before, but wants to, quote, turn the page on the past it to make sure president biden and former president trump do not return to the white house. rhiannon andrew. >> lionel, thank you. a private funeral will be held today for former first lady rosalynn carter. her husband, the 99 year old former president, attended yesterday's memorial wrapped in a blanket featuring her image, their kids and grandkids remembered her with laughter and love. >> i will always love my mother. i will cherish how she and dad raised her children. that given us such a great example of how a couple should relate. >> she was my grandmother first and she was like everyone else's grandmother in a lot of ways. almost all of her recipes call for mayonnaise for example. rosalynn carter will be buried today at her home in plains, georgia. >> in ohio, three

. >> laura: on the national stage, think of reason thorn liz cheney after she got trounced in wyoming and refused to rule out a white house run. now where is she? >> i will spend the next year between now and the election certainly helping to elect serious people, helping to elect same people. we could find ourselves in a given situation attempting to question the results of the election, we don't want a situation where the election is thrown into the house of representatives and donald trump has any chance prevailing. >> laura: blah, blah, blah, dangerous, the anti-trumpers can split between joe manchin and could hand over to a republican, they will never do it. no labels, no win. to the gop 2024 prospects. the media's favorite republican, that is the focus of tonight's "angle." >> everybody wants to move away from ukraine, they will want to move away from israel a year from now. america can never be so airgant thinking we do not need friends. now is the time to get partnership. i stooded on the simon bridge and watched those freeing socialism and begging for freedom >> laura: one co

do you want dick cheney 2.0?t the republican party of the future that actually stands for our own interests in this country? keep us out of world war iii. declare independence from china. use the military to protect our border instead of someone else's border. that is what it means to secure the homeland and what you deserve in a president who fights for our fellow americans. let me talk to you about foreign wars. the truth is we are in the middle of a war here at home in the united states of america. it is not a war between black and white as the media would teach you to believe. it is not a war even between democrats and republicans, not really. it is far deeper than that. it is a war between the majority of us in the united states of america who believed that all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with certain na label rights, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, who believe you get ahead not on the color of your skin, but character, exceptionalism, detonations of borders in our nation has a b

. >> liz cheney's blasting members of her party for enabling trump. >> liz cheney knows all of these players. >> she calls them enablers and collaborators. >> surging nikki haley picks up a major endorsement. >> charles koch-backed group group backing nikki haley. >>> good wednesday morning. right now the final hours of the truce between israel and hamas are ticking away and as we speak negotiators in the white house are waiting to extend it. hamas released another round of hostages yesterday with more to come today. we just heard from secretary of state blinken at nato headquarters as he prepares to head into the war zone and travel once again to israel. >> we'd like to see the pause extended because what it has enabled first and foremost is hostages being released, it's also enabled us to surge humanitarian assistance to the people of gaza who so desperately need it. >> new this morning, the family of the youngest hostage 10-month-old, they've been notifyd that the baby and his 4-year-old brother will not be freed today. hamas did allow an outside journalist to witness yesterday's

so cheney says to him mar-a-lago, what the hell, kevin. mccarthy says they're really worried, trump is not eating so they asked me to come see him. cheney says what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump is not eating? mccarthy, yeah, he is really depressed. so let's pause there for a second. we learned mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago because trump is not eating. for context, this basically revived trump in the eyes of the gop. >> and it came after mccarthy pretty much denounced trump and connected him directly to the mob attack on the capitol on january 6. look, i think that it is clear from this excerpt that mccarthy -- that the critique of mccarthy as someone who tells colleagues what he thinks they want to hear has some juice to it. mccarthy did not have to go down there. it is conceivable that trump like many other presidential candidates who have lost an election was down after this one. but at the same time -- >> yeah, it is tough, but -- >> it is clear that mccarthy did not want to acknowledge the gravity of his beingactions in sit

we'll hear from liz cheney on the rachel maddow show at 9 on msnbc. you will not want to miss that . >>> former first lady, rosalynn carter, made her way home through the small georgia town she lived for most of her 96 years. those closest to her, including 99-year-old former president gymny carter came together for a private funeral at the maranatha baptist church. this was her son at the funeral today. >> dad got used to mom disagreeing with him because she was really good at it. and she became a partner in a true sense of the word where they had equal footing. >> rosalynn carter is set to be buried in view of the front porch of the home that she and her husband of 77 years have shared since 1961. >>> coming up in our next hour, i'll talk to congressman jared moskowitz about the rise in anti-semitism that senate majority leader chuck schumer just called a five-alarm fire in a major address, and i'll get his response to calls from his own party about putting conditions on aid to israel. we've got a lot coming up on "chris jansing reports" right here

liz cheney is going to make hay out of the fact he said it.son to go is ridiculous. if it were true, if true, your notion is, you're kevin mccarthy, you've been on the house floor in the hours after january 6th and stood up and said, the president is responsible for insurrection against the american government, an attempted coup. he really said it. and a few days later, he's on his way to mar-a-lago and his justification for it is the president is not eating. at face value, it's the most -- you know, pinochet, he is feeling a little ill. the man is losing weight dramatically. i think we'll go talk to pol pot. it's an absurd thing on face value to say. and it just shows how transparent it was. mccarthy went for the reason he went. he thought, trump is powerful again and i have to pay to him. and that was the trajectory of the republican party post-january 6th. >>> our next guest has advice for leaders embroiled in social or political controversies. stop commenting on the news. >> you mean, educate people instead of running an editorial page? >>

the other thing is don't rip dick cheney. if you are michael moore you can rip dick cheney.k cheney was are secretary of defense, vice president, did he not get rich off the iraq war. leave that to democrats to make up some fiction. along the way, if you want to make your policies, don't rip -- there is no treason go back and just parrot some hate talking points of the democratic party towards the previous administrations or the prior previous administrations. i just think it was crisp, it was quick. they wanted them to attack each other. they wanted to make sure the moderators they weren't attacking joe biden. >> ainsley: let's hear some of the highlights. some of the things we are talking about here on the set. >> do you want a leader from a different generation who is going to put this country first, or do you want dick cheney in 3-inch heels. >> mr. rams. >> two of them on stage tonight. >> i would first like to say they are five inch heels and i don't wear them unless you can run in them. >> we got two of you on stage. >> such a thing that i will say is i wear heels. th

we have to talk about liz cheney's book, coming out next week. she is warning about what to trump's second term would look like. she and the book with a very ominous quote where she says, every one of us, republican, democrat, independent, must work and vote together to ensure the donald trump and those who have appeased, enabled, and collaborated with him, are defeated. this is the cause of our time. i mean, just reading that gives me the chills. it's going to resonate with a lot of people, that anyone who isn't already aware of who donald trump in the risks that he poses, anybody knew? >> now, i think that liz cheney's book has a lot of interesting revelations about her time in the cause, that she has basically taken on, the work that she is championing. she believes donald trump is a threat to our democracy. it's not a big stretch to say that, given what donald trump has been saying that he's going to do if he's reelected. he's going to weaponize the department of justice to go after his political enemies, pretty much eviscerating the central

such an interest in you from mark meadows to president trump to professors, teachers, tamika liz cheneytt gaetz, although i think that's kind of different. [laughing] >> we will stick with the credible -- [applause] >> now, you can get as psychoanalytical as you want to come or not at all, but, i mean, have you noticed that quality in yourself? have the always felt more comfortable with older people than with your peers? and you also been intellectually precocious, too. part of which he describes the little bit bored but what was going on with the standard curriculum, wanting to learn from the tedious much as you could, and looking always opportunities to study more deeply, specifically government, public policy. >> i would say it's two-pronged one, , i was raised in an environment where privacy was power. i think that also sort of carried through my adult life, and they're so great element privacy and people shouldn't have the right to remain private. but it was different in a way that i wasrm raised in terms of like, we very much kept to ourselves. i had speeded because of your dad mo

do want to mention -- the former vice chair of the january 6th committee, former congressman liz cheney a book that gives new insight about what went down in congress when trump's 18 restormtrumpers stormed the capitol. cheney writes that in the hours before the siege, republicans in the gop cloakroom were signing electoral vote objection sheets even though they knew it was all a sham to appease trump. she says congressman mark green of tennessee said, “the things we do for the orange jesus.” [ laughter ] they have a lot in common. regular jesus healed the sick, orange jesus told them to drink bleach. [ laughter ] it's kind of the same thing. liz cheney also says that two days after the election, she spoke to then-speaker of the house kevin mccarthy, who said trump was aware he had lost the election. unlike he's claiming. mccarthy said, “he knows it's over. he needs to go through all the stages of grief.” and he did. first there was denial, then anger, then depression, then anger, anger, denial, anger, denial, denial, denial, and anger, anger, denial, and finally insurrection. [ cheers

now, it's not without people, you and liz cheney and the committee and also my attorneys that gave me that second chance. i just have a couple more questions for you, then i'm going to ask a few more from the audience because believe what? i think we might be running out of time. what was your experience like as a witness on that day? sometimes people describe to me being a witness, like watching themselves from the outside, like they feel a little bit dissociated by by it. they feel like it's really happening in someone else. but what was what was your experience of the day where i should say you acquitted yourself remarkably well and everybody across the board was totally convinced of your candor and your honesty and you i think you changed millions of people's minds, getting some. thank you. as well. for starters, when i switched legal counsel, i was very clear clear, but i didn't want to just say i'm not at all. i was like, i will go back. i want to be completely forthcoming. the committee was very generous. they gave us my transcripts. we went through line by line. we corrected,

support, she has to explain how she is just not the second coming of the bushes and liz cheney.ht now it appears from listening to her last night, at least, that she is. otherwise, the media wouldn't be rallying to her. but the fact is she is relentlessly pro-war, which in a matchup with biden, would allow him to peace lane. that's great for biden. could she win over the trump voters i guess for her to travel. fight over a cause that actually makes the media mad. how about that? it's my view after last night, as it has been in every debate, that ron desantis emerges strongest. this is because he has the most experience as a successful chief executive along with a clear populist message that voters are aligned with. >> i'm going to stop the invasion cold. i am going to deport people who came illegally. it's a full spectrum approach to be able to fend china off. yes, military deterrence. yes, economic decoupling, but, also their role in our culture. if we don't -- if we ignore that, we're not going to be able to win the fight. >> laura: he is the only one you can actually sees a p

cheney. maybe they should have another church committee that. and so the idea of a new church committee became, something that people started talking about t investigate, the bush and cheney abuses of intelligence. and so that led me to begin to think about eventually a book about what the truth about the church committee. and then as i was writing about it and about publish the book, the the new republican party in the house stard talking the need f and for a new church commtee. and so it's something i realized that has become part of th american political lexicon and the church committee is now a synonym for, truth and reconciliation committ. and every time there is an a big scandal or a call for investigationsveryone in washington now says we need a new church committee. and so i thought we needed a new history of what really happened with the church committee. that's how some. did you find any surprises? you were digging into this. oh, yeah, lots of surprises. i mean, it was the thing tha

. >> so great exclusive and perpetrates from liz cheney comes out next week. and there is this part where liz cheney confronts kevin mccarthy on when he went down to mar-a-lago and basically threw donald trump his life line after january 6th. and just this incredible story. cheney go up to him. mar-a-lago? what the hell, kevin? mccarthy says they're really worried. trump is not eating. they asked me to come see him. what? you went to mar-a-lago because trump is not eating? karth. yeah. he's really depressed. first, i hope you enjoyed my command performance. i really put some skills in there. >> they're rationalizing their support for trump. >> he wasn't eating, kevin. the reason why is trump has the two things. the adulation and the small dollar donations of the most active, most vocal gop base voters. >> can i say that if the republican party wants somebody who is not eating because he can't semithe results of an election. like this is the leader of the free world. that is who we want? not us. >> he doesn't look like he wasn't eating. >> no body shaming. what

and i'd love to give a shout out to liz cheney i have my incredible team of attorneys but liz cheney was the first person. [applause] extremely courageous individual who has the heart of the founding father and her love for our country is something we should all as well as congressman raskin but it wasas liz who really reminded me i am enough i am enough to not only seek truth and power but to hopefully create change. we cannot keep surviving as a nation as we are. [applause] some people want to know about that watergate figure to identify with you made a very special friend. >> mr. butterfield. [laughter] yes. the committee had very generouslyi published pages ofy transcript i had a little bit of a mental breakdown when evening. i was able to really read in real time about how far gone i was and i had wanted to get back to the right side of history. i was thinking about watergate there had to be somebody there had to be somebody else out similar role it did not have this consequential role in the hearings that was not a lawyer. i startedg. googling those who d testified and came acr

dick cheney and george bush did lead us to war, racked up trillions in iraq and afghanistan.ds went to die and did not advance american interest. i am keen to make sure we don't make the same mistakes again. declare independence from china, protect our own homeland instead of somebody else's border halfway around the world. i believe i'm the only person on that stage representing that view. >> rachel: that is what i noticed, you are only one with nonneo-con view. when on the trail, what are people telling you? are you seeing a certain age group is in support of you and other side isn't? you say it is generational. >> i think there is particular support amongst young people, millennials who have been on the receiving end of a lot of -- we are as close to world war iii as we have ever been. if we enter world war iii, it is danger for americans in our home land, we can't lull ourselves into submission. entering wars in places like ukraine increase risk of that. one thing i noticed, strong on that issue. now they are tip toeing back. that has not -- exactly. versus first few mont

she called nikki haley dick cheney in three-inch heels.y are actually five and she uses them for ammunition. >> joe: particularly at nikki haley, i don't know how you rehearse when someone goes after the heels you are wearing, no, they are used for ammunition, i think that earned her points. when you watch last night, the elephant in the room was not in the room, that is donald trump. we know the lead he has nationally and in iowa and new hampshire, the early states. as long as he is not on the stage, you are watching audition for vice president, when most will not even be considered or watching race for second place like constellation game at the world cup for third. that issel fooing you get when you watch the debate. it was a good debate, they stuck to issues. there were personal jabs. without trump on the stage, we're missing something, we are missing a former president. >> todd: hillary clinton is here like don't forget about me, comparing trump to hitler. watch. >> hitler was duly elected, somebody with dick torial tendencies, okay,

dick cheney is one of the architects of the invasion of iraq in 2003, this gentleman ended up in thesert storm. so-so gift for them. lobbyists should be banned in washington because the military and defense contractors have a lot of lobbyists that they pay to keep the wars going and that's what scares me the most because they will drag us into another one war. and biden, on veterans day, also in his repertoire, laid a wreath at arlington cemetery, right there at the tomb of the unknown soldier, took it lost. biden was quickly diagnosed in unfriendly terrain by a soldier of the honor guard and returned to his place next to kamala haris. the second incident in a week, by the way, the first was at a locomotive depot in delaware, where a secret service officer came to help, they arrived. views grow, popularity falls, it’s easy to guess who benefits. we have it in the white house the guy who can't. connect two sentences, who couldn't get off that stage, have you ever seen the end of his speech , he has no idea how to get out, you have stairs there, jump off the front, do anything but cras

but liz cheney has just written a sort of red hot new book. it is titled oath and honor, amid more and a warning. she's going to be here with me to talk about it in her first primetime interview. again, we have never done an interview before. i'm going to be speaking with her in public for the first time here ever. it is next monday live here at nine pm. you have not heard about what is in her book because it's all about a very tight embargo. but you are going to want to see what she has to say. that is a week from tonight. i will see you then, that does it for me for now. and that was time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> reporter: good evening, that means you know what that means to me for next monday night. that means have to get everything done and ready for my show, like a good 55 minutes earlier than i usually do so that i just don't miss a word of this first ever discussion between rachel maddow and this genie. >> reporter: thank you, i can send you a sleep aid or something to try to help adjust your

but liz cheney has just written a sort of red hot new book. it is titled "oath and honor, a memoir and a warning." she's going to be here with me to talk about it in her first prime time interview. again, we have never done anfort view before. i'm going to be speaking with her in public for the first time here ever. it is next monday live here at 9:00 p.m. you have not heard about what it in her book because it's all under a very tight embargo, but you are going to want to see what she has to say. that is a week from tonight. i will see you then. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. >>> before the year is out, there's a lot of other work we must do here in the senate. and members

whole because fast track to iraq and afghanistan and then all of a sudden, here we are with the bush cheneyinistration that has now gotten us to $33 trillion national debt. we are now trying to figure out do we want to keep this patronizing rhetoric that our politicians keep bringing to us? basically it is the hardware and software manufacturers, the material now being used in israel and ukraine. this is what keeps our economy going in the direction that it goes while our inner cities are imploding. these people are not looking out for the best interest of our countries, they never have. they look out for their own best interest and the people who come in from the back doors. that is kind of my feeling right now. host: victoria and ohio, independent line. caller: i voted for biden before but is very hard for me to want to do so again. he says he is all about protecting our rights, lgbtq folks. myself being trained. he says he is trying to help out all over the place, but he hasn't helped anyone. along with that, now he's supporting israel in their genocide on gaza. and i can't really suppor