its author's former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney. liz cheney, wow.ing here. >> thank you. >> nice to meet you. >> really nice to meet you. >> is this weird to you as it is to me? >> it's certainly weird. your info brought back a lot of memories. but i think that it is a real symbol of how grave this danger is. but i also was thinking as i was watching it, the power of the fact that somebody, when you are on the political spectrum, and somebody who is where i am on the political spectrum are able to say this is a five alarm fire. and we have to put that aside and be able to say what are we gonna do to come together and save the public. >> yes, the fights that we righteously and in good faith and vehemently could have with each other. because part of what we are defending is -- >> i want to come back to that -- >> definitely. we could do like a day on abortion, a day on mining, and they on fishing -- >> national security. >> definitely, are they on national security. let me ask you about a moment in your book that happens on january 4th. it's described

cheney: 0.1?ieve it. >> ms. cheney: elected republicans, maybe five. not very many actually believe what trump is saying. actually believe -- >> stephen: did they not have any idea what the damage that does to our nation into our democracy to promulgate that lie? do they just not care? >> ms. cheney: both. both. >> stephen: is there anything more cynical that you can think of politically, weaker or more cynical than that than to lie to the american people for your own political power and destroy the thing you want to be part of? >> ms. cheney: the way to think about it is, america's adversaries would love nothing more than to convince us that our democracy doesn't work. right now you have donald trump and the republicans who support him during the work of our adversaries. doing the work of our adversaries. it's a really dangerous thing we are seeing. especially dangerous because the president of the united states is responsible for enforcing the laws. he's responsible for ensuring that the laws ar

its author is former wyoming congresswoman liz cheney. liz cheney, wow.thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> nice to meet you. >> really nice to meet you. >> is this as weird for you as this is me? >> it's pretty weird. it certainly is. your intro brought back a lot of memories. and but -- but i think that it just is a real symbol of how grave this danger is. but i also was thinking as i was watching it, the power of the fact that somebody who is where you are in the political spectrum and somebody who is where i am on the political spectrum are able to say, this is a five-alarm fire and we have put that aside and be able to say what are we going to do to come together to save the republic. >> the fights we righteously and in good faith and vehemently have together can wait. >> yeah. >> because part of what we're defending is -- >> but i would like a rain check to come back and have those fights. >> we could do a day on abortion, a day on mining, a day on fishing. >> national security. >> several days on national security. let me ask you about a moment

cheney: thank you. i'm glad people are interested in the book and a little ground is rushing to get many, many more out there. >> maybe they should've done that at the beginning. anyway, in that book there's one sentence in that book that struck me as a summary of the whole thing. you write, i have said since january 6 that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump's never again anywhere near the oval office, and i mean it. so, with that as a backdrop, maybe we can look forward. what is actually going to be necessary over the next few months or the next 12 months to achieve your goal of not having donald trump return to the oval office? rep. cheney: first of all, we shouldn't assume that the primary is over. i think folks on the republican side and democratic side, it looks like we know who the nominees will be that we don't know for sure. so, i would say the task right now is to do everything my task right now is to do everything possible. if he succeeds in winning the republican nomination, w

cheney: there are many reasons. think one of the places where we have failed as a country is in making sure we are educating people about our history, educating our own kids about our history and what makes america special. not that we are perfect, we are far from it, that america has guaranteed freedom for millions of people around the world the way no other nation has. i think what happens is when we fail to educate generations about our history and we suddenly say ok, you are in charge, people make their own decisions. there are many deeply troubling things as you can imagine that i feel about the republican party today, but the fact that there are so many who seem to be going down a path where they are about to do vladimir putin's bidding by pulling aid from ukraine is inexcusable. gerald: is the republican party almost an isolationist party? ms. cheney: i think we are becoming that. we were talking earlier, i think if you had a straight up or down vote today in the congress, ukraine would pass. there is a major

was bush cheney era. she rose to the republican party leadership in the house where she added some gravitas. she was the highest ranking woman at one point in the gop. today, when you think about her, former speaker mccarthy lost his post because of maga insurgents. cheney lost her entire job and political career, as far as congress is concerned, all because she's stood up against trump's coup. when it occurred in the days after, she was clear on the floor of the house and in the impeachment process that we cannot sit by and allow coups and attacks on democracy in this country. that was the baseline. that was it. that proved to be too much in a clash between the loser of the 20 race and the maga favor in republican districts. following that fever, many party elites turned on cheney as she went to the january six committee which investigated that insurrection. she is now making headlines like this with a new book. she is speaking out in this interview, i should mention she will join rachel here on msnbc in

told the truth to liz cheney in their investigation in such a way that liz cheney and the other members of the committee decided, that she needs a hearing of her own. that is how important this witness is. what did you feel when you saw this 24-year-old oil staffer, who had to make that decision, to stand up and tell the truth in a way that the senior people in the white house refused to do? >> we saw this young woman exude courage. imagine the courage, patriotism, truth, truth, that is such a strong thing, but she had the courage to tell that. that is not an easy thing to do. i, myself, was an employee on capitol hill, right out of college, my first year out of college, before paul and i were married. i could identify with her experience, but never with her courage. so, she has really been a gift to our country. i pray for her, because, i just think, that it was almost angelic to see her with the confidence and the clarity of message, the clear patriotism, but i will tell you, courage separates people one from the other, who has the courage to tell the story, to save our country, for t

thank you. >>> liz cheney has already done the impossible with her book. e impossibleshe has, apparentlyd donald trump into finally telling the truth about himself. in a social media post about liz cheney and her book, donald trump said, i was angry, and i was eating too much. joining us now is jen psaki who served as white house press secretary in the biden administration, the host of "inside with jen psaki" on msnbc, and jen was angering the eight pm hour tonight. jen, i am so eager to talk to you about this. this is one of those moments, i think, for insiders. you have been in this kind of -- you have been government the waitlist cheney has. she's worked in administration -- >> and you have, yes. >> yes, before she went to congress, you worked in the administration. she grew up in it, in a sense, with her father. to see someone who stays angered all the way through all of that experience, so that when it comes down to it, and it comes down to a choice of her oath of office versus a reelection campaign, she chooses her oath of office. >> that's right, la

cheney back in. i'm talking about how the committee, ms.and her colleagues voted to hold mr. bannon and navarro in contempt. they demanded mr. navarro's testimony after he detailed -- on this program. >> we have 100 senators on capitol hill ready to implement the sweep. remedy was for vice president pence as the quarterback in the green bay sweep to remand those votes back to the six battleground states. >> do you realize you are describing a coup. >> no. >> navarro's discussion of what we called that sweep plot did draw interest. he claimed he viewed his testimony as privileged even though he was making public statements. after defying the january 6th committee subpoena, the committee held him in contempt. might want to show ms. cheney what you seed briefly as vice chair at the contempt hearing for mr. navarro. >> mr. navarro is also a key witness. he's written a book boasting about his role in planning and coordinating the activity of january 6th. and yet he does not have the courage to testify here. we have many questions for mr. navarro

but people like liz cheney understand the difference. they know that is not conservative, that is authoritarian. so when i've seen other conservatives who have followed this closely like a judge luttig or george conway are coming together to have a republicans for a rule of law type of group, i think that is going to be critical going forward where republicans can explain the difference between what are timeless conservative principles that have led to success in the past and what is different and how this is authoritarian -- >> but there's a difference -- >> but there needs to be a place where those people can -- >> there is. but there's a difference between book sales and votes. >> of course. >> and i don't think i have seen for those people who have put out these books, there's been a number of them, who say i had this change of heart or who talk about what that experience was like for them, they have not figured out how to survive into the next version of -- >> i really like when i hear cheney talk about, she seems to really enjoy re

and liz cheney said that if trump wins, he'll never leave. so what is donald trump's response to in? it is not me, but it is president biden that democracy should fear. we go over to kristen holmes, and hearing from liz cheney this morning saying that if you vote for trump, it is the last election you could vote in. so what is this urgency that you are hearing from the republicans? >> well, if you are talking to the republicans on the campaign trail that i do, it is more and more likely that donald trump is going to be the republican nominee, and what you are seeing is the republicans who are not supporting president trump coming out to talk about what the trump agenda or the second term would look like, and that has been joe biden's biggest argument against another trump term, and he has said that if trump is to be re-elected, it is a threat to democracy, and so now, the charges to overturn the 2020 election, and one of the democratic institution, and he would question the legitimacy of all of the elections and at one point called for termin

cheney was once the third highest ranking republican in the house. she knows what she is talking about. she is now blasting her former colleagues as enablers. what do you make of the anecdotes we have heard so far? what kind of picture do they paint about the republican party during this tumultuous time in our country's history. >> what i think is interesting about all of these list cheney anecdotes, these antics votes, is that we see everything we suspected was happening was really happening. like it does not surprise me one bit that they were calling him the orange jesus. none of that stuff surprises me. because we saw it from the outside. one surprises me is there are so few brave republicans. so few republicans actually stood up to him, and actually left the party. what liz cheney is doing, she basically destroyed her political career in the hopes of stopping trump. and it did not work. think about how few republicans actually didn't do that. so many of them just decided to recreate themselves as maga, more just stay silent and hope he went away,

let's talk about what cheney accuses mike johnson of. in the book that he wrote the supreme court brief, in support of trump's attempt to overthrow the election of sneaking into the brief, baseless claims of election fraud while telling republicans to make no specific allegations. let's talk about what liz cheney said this morning about mike johnson, then get your response. >> it was dangerous because what mike was doing was taking steps that he knew to be wrong, doing things that he knew to have no basis in law, fact, or the constitution. mike was willing, time and again, to ignore the ruins of the courts in order to attempt to do donald trump's bidding. >> do you know of any outrage, jacqui, behind the scenes, amongst republicans, that mike johnson did this? either at the time, or was any of that resurrected as he rose to power as the house speaker? >> well, at the time,, alex there was not a lot of outrage. liz cheney,, again was one of the lone voices in house gop conference that had called on her colleague. she put out this extensiv

joining us now is liz cheney. former member of the house republican leadership and someone who might easily still hold both titles tonight expect she stood up for democracy up to and including her role on the january 6th committee which set her apart from the former president. her new blockbuster book out today is oath and honor. a memoir and warning. certainly speaks to the moment. thanks so much for being with us. this is not only a fascinating, terrifying book and a warning as you say, it is also a really well written, captivating story that just takes you from the f first pages and gallups you through the last many years of the dissent of our democracy. you write a lot about mike johnson in the book. when you were writing this, he wasn't the speaker. didn't know he was going to be the speaker. talk about this idea that he wants to blur the faces. what does that tell you? >> i think pfirst of all with tt to the videotape, the department of justice already has these tapes and i think we're experiencing a situati

>>> former congresswoman liz cheney says that she doesn't know if her party can be saved, so will she toss her hat into the ring as a third-party presidential candidate? we have new details. >> the war is revving up, and new video shows israeli forces near the southern gaza strip where palestinians say they have nowhere else to go. >>> and now, one blast is blowing out the windows as police are trying to serve a warrant. what led up to this. i'm skate bolduan with sara sidner and john berman, and this is cnn "news central." >>> so what is chris christie going to say on the debate stage tomorrow night now that he knows that at of people don't want him there? according to "the new york times," republican donors, strategists and pundits are publicly pressuring mr. christie, to end his campaign and many want him to support nikki haley, and many want him to quit not only yesterday, but a month and two months ago. and liz cheney has said that she has not ruled out a third-party run, and this is as donald trump prepares to hold a solo town hall and ditch the debate tomorrow and head back to

and my congress -- congresswoman cheney is going to start in a moment. first, the latest on both of those stories from cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid. so paula, what are federal prosecutors in washington signaling tonight? >> anderson, they're giving us a preview of their federal election interference case, and exactly how they intend to use trump's own words against him, in a court of law. now there really can emphasize how trump's continued support for those who attacked the capital is evidence of a conspiracy. in this filing they said, quote, trump continues to, quote, openly and proudly support individuals who criminally participated in obstructing the congressional certification that day. including by suggesting that he will pardon them if reelected. even, as he is conceding that he had legally to influence their actions during the attack. now they also say they want to show the jury things that trump said in the lead up to election day, including his refusal to denounced the extremist group the proud boys, and his refusal to commi

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liz cheney and i discussed this. i was curious her breakdown on this. it's actually the opposite, mccarthy being loyal to donald trump over his own public criticism of the coup and the coup attempts and the insurrection that mccarthy had offered. it resulted in the shortest speakership we've seen in history. in his public humiliation and defenestration. in other words, both things can be true. it can be good for democracy to stand up. that's kind of that place line, and it's a nonpartisan point, but also can be good politics to do that instead of selling out as mccarthy did and still getting ousted, still having a failed speakership, still getting shown the door long before other colleagues of his in the congress. then there's sean hannity, who i mentioned, and someone we was privately horried at the acts of the insurrection. you would expect people who live in a rule of law society would look at the attacks. he did privately and then lied about it in public and encouraged aides and people he had influence over to reign trump in. privately. publicly he

and liz cheney was always near the top of it. well, tonight, liz cheney is here, here with me in new york, and this would've been pretty surprising to me a few years ago. i'm gonna be honest. i did work on john kerry's campaign in 2004, and i tried very hard to defeat george bush and her father. four years later, i was a part of the transition when president bush and vice president cheney handed over to barack obama and joe biden, peacefully, by the way. of course liz cheney had a political career of her own. when that would come to be defined by her work on the january 6th committee and her willingness to speak out against donald trump when it wasn't always easy. look, i know that when i sound the alarm about the former president, which i do frequently, there are a lot of people who tune me at. who am not getting through to. but when liz cheney sends that alarm, as loudly as she's doing right now, that's another thing entirely. it's a perfect time to be talking with her, because donald trump is talking a lot about his desire to

i think many republicans look at liz cheney as a former republican who abandoned the party. >> liz cheneya conservative republican, her father is a multiterm vice president. there's not remotely analogous about that. >> two-page spread in the atlantic, with quotes from everyone from john kelly to rex tillerson former secretary of state, to jim mat tis, all of these saying it can't happen, it's so dangerous. the question is, that has not moved the needle for republican primary voters at all. >> it hasn't moved the needle for republican primary voters. it has moved the needle for the american electorate. we have seen the american people say, no, thank you. here's the softer side of the problem, when you're in government, people want to please the person in charge. you want your gold star. if the president is a person who believes that they want to -- they want more things for themselves, right, they want retribution as the order of the day, then people will do more of those things in order to impress the president, that filters that way all the way down. my friends from the obama staff, sen

many independents are enamored of liz cheney.o really cares about the future of our country, and the kind of america our children and our grandchildren are going to live in really has to consider whether or not getting into this race is going to further empower donald trump's ability to win, rather than to try to defeat him and i was encouraged to see that liz cheney also said she would be looking very closely at the numbers and the strategy and, you know, and what could happen if she came in. i really believe that for those people who care about the future of our country, it is a more courageous move to put your voice behind joe biden at this point probably than to get into the race yourself. >> speaking about people who want to defeat trump, dasha, there is another gop debate tomorrow night. now down to four candidates who will be on the debate stage, nikki haley, ron desantis, chris christie and vivek ramaswamy. >> i wish i could tell you some big nugget of secret news that will make this debate different than the rest. i can'

in 2016 liz cheney voted for trump. and 2020 she voted for trump. she also voted with him more than 90% of the time. i think in some cases it could theoretically be heartwarming to see two people on opposite sides of the aisle, i guess, like liz cheney and rachel maddow getting along. it's less heartwarming that you realize it's you have a common visceral hatred. it's not quite as heartwarming. but hearing about the constitution being important from a liz cheney click. i can't deal with it. >> yeah. kayleigh, we have been talking to the big man. if he wins will you end up going back? >> my goodness, what a question. how dare you put me on the spot. i loved working for him. he's a great guy and a lot of fun to be around. these people are all driven by enemies. liz cheney i've got to potentially run a third-party to stop trump. joe biden at a boston fundraiser said i'm not sure i would be running if trump were not running. his whole campaign is based on animus. it gives me dÉjÀ vu to my cnn days where i was the one conservative with 10 people yelling

how do americans feel about liz cheney?> we are in a great country where someone could have the second worst defeat in a house primary in the last 60 years and potentially float themselves as a third-party candidate two years later. she lost by 37 in the wyoming house primary, the second worst defeat in the last 60 years in the house primary. let's look nationally. national views of liz cheney last year, a tremendous gap. she is popular among democrats, 62% favorable rating. among republicans, of course, a former republican congresswoman, 12%. this is something we have seen in the polls over and over. despite her gop affiliation she is better liked by democrats. >> slide number one, which is cold-blooded to lay that out in detail. how do americans feel about a potential third-party liz cheney run? >> this was asked earlier this year. we don't have polling up to date. according to liz cheney third-party bid for president, very large partisan flit. 15% of democrats say they support it versus 8% of republicans. and this i thin

rebuttal in a story to the new book by former congresswoman liz cheney. at 12:56 am, he posted, "crazy liz cheney, who suffers from trump derangement syndrome at a level rarely seen before, writes in her boring new book that kev-en mccarthy said he came to mar-a-lago after the rigged election because, "the former president was depressed and not eating." "that statement is not true.

in that book, cheney itemizes each turn with johnson before january 6th.ntion for a name she expected few of her readers to know, but she felt johnson's sleight of hand was emblematic of republicans who don't just go along with trump's deceptions but boost them. she had no idea she was writing about a future speaker. >> the speaker of the house is a collaborator to overthrow the last election. >> absolutely. >> what happens if mike johnson is the speaker on the 6th of january, 2025? >> he can't be. you know, we're facing a situation with respect to the 2024 election where it's an existential crisis, and we have to ensure that we don't have a situation where an election that might be thrown into the house of representatives is overseen by a republican majority. >> so you would prefer a democratic majority? >> i believe very strongly in those principles and ideals that have defined the republican party. but the republican party of today has made a choice, and they haven't chosen the constitution. and so i do think it's -- it presents a threat if the republic

this, of course, not out of character for liz cheney, but still, a stark warning for her.weight do they are words actually carry? >> well, good morning, kasie. i think that is what most noticeable about this very stunning acknowledgement of her americans is how little it will actually matter with her former colleagues. you know, we are a couple of years removed from liz cheney being the conference chair of the republican party in the house. and today, she is persona non grata. her former colleagues do not agree with what she's saying, in fact, she actively dismiss what she is saying. and i think that what is particularly shocking about this announcement that she has is how little it will actually matter with house republicans right now. and even with republican voters. i think that's part of why she's taking such a strong stance. because she feels as if she needs to talk loudly to be heard. and i think that she will be heard, just not necessarily by the people she's trying to reach. >> yeah. and, grace, one of the things that she, in her -- the group that she's been runnin

former congresswoman liz cheney suggested that she might get in the race.tainly she's leaving the door open telling anderson cooper she would consider a third party run if it would stop trump's re-election. >> i think there is a huge amount of work to be done after this election cycle, whether it is rebuilding the republican party, which increasingly looks like, you know, maybe an impossible task, or helping to begin a new party that is very focused on what the republican party used to stand for before this cultive personality. but iright now i'll do whateveri have to do to make sure donald trump is not elected. >> there are of course many questions about how a cheney bid might impact whether or not trump was reelected. but setting aside that for a moment, i do want to underscore this morning what we saw play out last night with the former president donald trump. he was given multiple opportunities to say unequivocally that he would not be a sdik at adictator if reele. this of course as there is increasing coverage from the atlantic, "new york times" and ot

so how is it that liz cheney has become a pariah in her own party?rning john dickerson has an eye-opening interview with the former congresswoman who has plenty to say about the stakes in next year's election. >>> then we move op to a topic once considered off limits and yet it's a subject that may be getting far too little of our attention. each year thousands of americans consider taking their own lives. in fact, last year a record number actually did just that. susan spencer considers if removing the shame and stigma might bring an end to our epidemic of suicidal thoughts. >> reporter: having made ten attempts on his own life, clancy martin is now fighting to save others from suicide. the first step, he says, getting rid of the stigma. >> we can make huge strides simply by talking with each other about suicide. >> reporter: do you feel like lives could be saved literally if we somehow get rid of the stigma? >> absolutely. >> reporter: destigmatizing suicide ahead on "sunday morning." >>> our seth doane is traveling back in time this morning for a

dick cheney had, what, five good seasons? maybe? >> exactly!er stayed in the game to juice his stats. when you look at the season splits, cheney's numbers were better. not to mention, kissinger came in after vietnam started! he was chasing wars the way durant chases rings. anyone can just join a super team. but cheney built his wars from the ground up! he carried george w. bush on his back! also, how can kissinger be the war crimes go it when he won the nobel peace prize, you [bleep] idiot? >> that's what makes him the goat, you [bleep] moron. do you know how good a war criminal you have to be to win a peace prize for wars you escalated? the dude has got the numbers and the hardware. count the rings, bitch. >> michelle: okay, okay. let me throw this out to you guys. andrew jackson? >> that's a good point, good point. >> he did the numbers. >> look, michelle, you do have to adjust for that era. but credit where credit is due. he was massacring people back when you had to do it with muskets and carrier pigeons. we'll never know what kind of recor

as well as the allegations the new ones made in liz cheney's new book. in the meantime, new today, expelled congressman george santos vowing revenge against at least four congressional colleagues. saying that he plans to file an ethics complaint against them. this, after being tossed from the house in a bipartisan vote on friday. the house ethics committee had found overwhelming evidence of unlawful conduct, he is also facing 23 felony charges, santos maintains his innocence. after the vote, locks on his office were changed, he was marched out of the capitol with a few words, as constituents in his new york district took in all the news. >> congressman, what do you state your constituents? >> excuse me. you guys gotta get out of my way. >> i'm delighted they finally got their act together to get rid of this guy. >> he's a bum. a liar, a bum, a fraud. i mean, he shouldn't be in government. would you hire him? >> he wasn't convicted of a crime, he hasn't done anything worse than any other politician. so, why him? >> joining me now, emily no. new york polit

will liz cheney run as independent?nd will anyone get closer to donald trump. >>> and now, the key places where the hamas leaders are hiding, and this as the hostage negotiations broke down, because what hamas are fearing that released women might say happened to them in captivity. >>> and now, why penn, harvard and m.i.t. are on the hot seat in tough questions in response to the israel-hamas war and big questions of why big donors are calling it quits to these big institutions. i'm kate bolduan with sara sidner and john berman and this is cnn "news central." >> we ask again, will chris christie drop out or will this primary sway any voters' minds? this is part of the questions with the key dates fast approaching. chris christie is now feeling the public pressure to drop out of the race. this is from his donors, gop strategists and pundits who instead want him to support nikki haley. as for liz cheney, the fiery trump critic and long-time conservative tells the washington post that she has not ruled out a third-party ru

is liz cheney overstating it? >> i don't think liz cheney is overstating it.is donald trump has a better political team. he doesn't have experienced policy hands backing him up. you see some of the staffing memos and reporting on how he envisions his administration, or whether his strongest, most staunch supporters envision his administration. you look at how he has been openly bragging about the authoritarian moves he will take. number one, front and center, he'll put his political opponents behind jail. doesn't really get much more autocratic than that. jake getting the calls when he said this is going to be trump unhinged -- i don't think it was his exact words. we had an insurrection. where this could go is petrifying. i don't think liz cheney is overstating it. >> she keeps saying, jake, she's going to do whatever she can to keep trump from being re-elected. she also had another warning for the country. let me play that. >> do you believe if donald trump were elected next year, that he would try to stay in office beyond a second term? he would never leave

liz cheney didn't say anything then. they accepted the votes because it put republicans in the majority, because it gave them the gavels in 2010. but they accepted the votes from some of the worst elements of our society. so have a hard time with these folks who are now selling books and monetizing their, you know, anti trump-ism, when the country is in a worse place than it was before the maga nation took over, and a lot of those people were silent. >> i take your point, and yet i think that we're so desperately looking for anything that resembles a profile -- and again, i hear you on the long tale of this. i think there is also a moment we are in where -- it's anybody gonna come up and speak out? even if you set the by january 6th, is anyone gonna take that as the given we've seen how many -- joyce, i want to be sure i get this to you. this week, looking for, the supreme court could take up several capitol riot cases. can you explain to us what that would mean for trump's election interference trial? >> right. so perha

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pacific to hear rachel intview liz cheney tonight. go to any of our socials and tell us what do you want to hear from liz cheney because she will be on our channel this week. that does it for us. "the reidout" is up next. >>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> one of the things that we see happening today is sort of a sleepwalking into dictatorship in the united states. >> liz cheney on the danger of a second trump presidency, and there are new warnings tonight about trump's plans, which would move the country away from democracy and into full-blown autocracy. >>> also tonight, expelled from the house of representatives, former congressman george santos begins his revenge tour. and he's already cashing in on his infamy. >>> we begin tonight with notes on a florida scandal. a hot mess sending shock waves through the state's republican party. the florida man in question is not donald trump for once. instead, this is a scandal involving christian ziegler, the chairman of florida's republican party. this is ziegler, a longtime party official

liz cheney is still here.ve to say about the book and the story and the choices you made. i also want to ask you to say something about the clear affection you developed for a lot of people that before january 6th you may not have agreed with on much, people like jamie raskin and nancy pelosi and zoe lofgren. >> i think in terms of my fellow members of the committee, i'm really proud of the work we did and the way we worked in a nonpartisan fashion, and we began when the committee started by saying, what are all the things that can go wrong? why have all of these committees, congressional committees mostly fail, and we knew this one couldn't. so the extent to which the members of the committee said, all right we're not going to put ourselves front and center. we're not all going to ask questions at every hearing. we're going to focus on the evidence itself, was really significant. we would not have succeeded without that. you mentioned jamie and zoe and certainly speaker pelosi, who deserves great credit for -

that donald trump's re-election could pose a grave threat to american democracy with republican liz cheney sounding the alarm about a potential dictatorship. the urgency heightened with the nation on the brink of 2024 and the lead off republican contest in iowa just six weeks away. also this hour, the u.s. aid to ukrainian forces about to run out, the white house is turning up the heat on congress. arguing the war against russian aggression will be kneecaped on the battlefield. i'll get reaction from the ukrainian ambassador to the united states. and the israeli military now says its objective in northern gaza is nearly completed. as the ground assault against hamas expands in the south. the united nations says the number of civilian deaths is rapidly increasing in this new and intense phase of the war. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this hour with presidential politics as the nation closes in on the first contest of 2024. one of donald trump's most vocal republican critics is offering a

were able to meet in the basement of the capitol. >> with liz cheney? >> yeah. >> she had a little basement office, no windows, down an unmarked corridor. >> literally, it was all very secretive, because i think after i resigned from the trump administration, i ended up going back to capitol hill and was working on capitol hill for a republican there. and kind of had resumed a seemingly normal life. it wasn't until alyssa reached out and said the january 6th committee is interested in talking with you, and obviously i was sympathetic to the cause because i had resigned on january 6th, but it was a largely democrat committee, so there was a little bit of apprehension there on my part. and she said liz cheney is willing to meet with you off the record, it will just be the three of us, and it won't leak. >> so the three of you met in the basement of the capitol? >> and nothing leaked from it. >> you could have told me about it. [ laughter ] >> and nothing leaked from it. we sat there for probably four or five hours or something, and i gave her my best reco

now look les cheney has a book out, she's trying to get promotion for the book.ke this are good for moving the merchandise, but my initial reaction when i heard that she was thinking of a second, there is not a chance in the world that she can win. she doesn't have support in the democratic party, she doesn't have adequate support in the republican party. the only reason for her to run is to think that she would be able to hurt and perhaps prevent donald trump from winning. i don't think that's at all certain. >> meanwhile over on capitol hill the new house speaker mike johnson, he is trying to re-write essentially what happened on january 6th by releasing these tapes, and also saying when he releases the tapes of the january 6th footage he's gonna blur the faces of the january six rioters to protect them. is this him playing to an important audience of one for the republican, i am so astonished by this idea of explicit-ing protecting riders from accountability? what do you make of that? >> the january 6th tapes have been an interesting political litmus test. fir

we're gonna hear about liz cheney's new book, and it's revelations that might surprise even the most jaded never trumpers. in the meantime, he's gone. so was he bullied? or did he have it coming? what constituents are former congressman george santos are saying, that's coming up later. first, congressman adam smith on the next steps in the israel-hamas war, in the vandals that struck his home, we're back in a quick 60 seconds. quick 60 seconds. about three or four years ago, i wasn't feeling as if i was as sharp as i used to be. i saw the prevagen commercials. after a short amount of time taking prevagen, i started noticing a difference-- that i'm remembering this, i'm remembering that. i stopped taking prevagen and i found myself slacking back so i jumped right back on it. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. the chase ink business premier card is made for sam who makes, everyday products, designed smarter. genius! like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. >>

do you think some of liz cheney's claims about what a threat trump's are overblown? >> no, i understand what he is trying to convey when he says he doesn't want to sound like an alarmist. but i think we have to look at what trump is saying, and pay attention closely. his call for doing our parts of -- he said that he wants to rig this country of people he deems vermin. he says that he wants to weaponize the doj to attack revenge on his political enemies. and so, i would encourage people who think that we sound like alarmist when we are saying that democracy is at stake, if trump were to be elected again for a second term. that you have to pay attention to his own words, because he is saying these things. and unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be penetrating through to the public. and i think that's in large part because his campaign is actually kind of adopted, a basement campaign strategy circa joe biden's 2020 campaign. and they actually kind of have shielded him from public view, and have been a lot more strategic with his appearances. and so, i think that as we ge

the other big rumbling is liz cheney in? the ardent trump critic and republican just told "the washington post" this morning that she is still considering a third-party run as she continues to warn of donald trump's, quote, grave threat. now, as for trump himself, tonight he's holding a solo town hall. tomorrow he is ditching the presidential debate. thursday, he is heading back to court, all while intensifying his rhetoric in spouting fringe january 6th theories. cnn's kristen holmes is following this. what's donald trump up to and saying now? >> reporter: donald trump is running the campaign the way he wants to run his campaign. as you noted, he is going to a fox town hall, skipping the debate for a fund raiser in florida. then he's going to sit through testimony in his civil hearing in new york. on monday he is expected to testify in that trial. this is coming at a time we are starting to hear alarm bells being raised. you mentioned his rhetoric intensifying. it's not so much that his rhetoric is intensifying. he's been s

and he is trying to as liz cheney said, project and put it back on biden. i do worry, i don't know if republicans, the vast majority, don't believe that, i do think there is a significant number of republicans, especially when you look at the base who do view a biden presidency as detrimental to the country. they are unhappy with the current state of things but i don't know if that message will be effective on independence who are the voters that trump would need to win over most in order to win in a general election against joe biden. >> thank you for your time. also ambassador bolton. next we will talk about the new filing that we mentioned a moment ago. it reveals how special counsel smith plans to convict trump at the upcoming election trial. it's a fascinatiting document. >>> also it's all a blur, what the republican speaker of the house says about protecting the january 6th rioters. >>> the special counsel's office offering a taste of what evidence prosecutors plan to present in washington stemming from his attempts to overturn the election. what we l