but always likes of cherie blair always the likes of cherie blair seem this on what seem to approachwelfare state do? what can the welfare state do? what can the welfare state do? what can the distribution money can the distribution of money be, rather than those more imaginative reforms which would make a much bigger difference? >> but why do we have to have one or the other? i think that i'm 100% with you on the housing point. absolutely. should rip point. absolutely. we should rip up and change it up planning law and change it and big in and actually do something big in relation but if you're relation to that. but if you're going need to now, going to what we need to now, i'm going to have my liz truss moment here. if what we need. she was right. we need growth for the economy. and what we need to do is some quite drastic things. we need to cut all of the kind of zombie economy of businesses that aren't doing anything, waste and anything, and the waste and we need big projects need to have big projects that will retrain reskill will and retrain people, reskill people. that needs p

>> yeah, really sat beside chene >> yeah, really sat beside cherie blair. >> i was going to guess that beside? >> she was good crack. i reckon. i bet you had a good chat with her. >> really friendly with her. i saw the other athletics too. >> she. >> she. >> no, i don't know, but i saw. i saw where she works. i was, i had i passed by her office from her and she came out. >> she's not a shopper. >> she's not a shopper. >> not because she knew i was there, but i just came out and got into a car. >> do you remember we sat next to 5000m or we had. to you in the 5000m or we had. yeah >> all yeai1 >> all yeah >> all she will. >> all that she will. >> all that she will. >> she will. yeah. did you go to the olympics see the london olympics though. see that no, that was that was fabulous. no, that was fabulous. gearing fabulous. paris is gearing up because if you go to paris now, everything is this and everything is olympic this and olympic i the olympic that. and i love the olympics. olympics, olympics. i love the olympics, politics olympics. politics of the olympics. but when to the when it a

if you those videos that were running of 1997, when were just running of 1997, when tony blair and his wife cheriee it. >> yeah, yeah, yeah, it was i mean national mood was good, mean the national mood was good, was very good at the time. 97. yeah, it was, but you know, it was , there you go. it's all was, there you go. it's all changed now, hasn't it? everything changes, right. let's have a look at the home secretary . oh, former home secretary. oh, former home secretary, i should say, and want to be prime minister i think it's fair to say suella braverman leading calls today for the metropolitan police chief, mark rowley, to quit over what she describes as a litany of failures in policing pro—palestinian marches. >> well, the latest scandal embroiling the met is the force's reaction after an officer used the terms openly jewish to describe an anti—semitism activist, gideon falter was stopped from crossing a road near his synagogue, as a march was going by the officer said he wanted to stop him for his own safety because he was quite openly jewish. >> well, the force has since apologised twice. w