, attending a wedding and also cherif's birthday today. >> is it your sense they have an end to get to? surely they are both set in their ways when it comes to their attitude on that disputed region that there can't be any progress anytime soon. >> absolutely. there's going to be hard talking on a lot of issues. one thing is quite clear, that recently, the indian leadership was present in turkmenistan when they were talking about the pipeline. modi referred to the fact that pakistan could act as a conduit to central asia. there is a thinking within india itself and within pakistan that these two nuclear armed states cannot afford a confrontation and the only way to move forward is to talk. one has to understand that behind the scenes, washington has also been trying to tell the indians that they should talk. london is involved and obviously this particular trip is coming at a time when the indian prime minister is returning from moscow visiting kabul, as well. in the next few days, the pakistani military chief will alsoen in kabul, so it shows intense negotiations and an effort to try