and cheril casony and carbin in is next. as pending on entitlements soar and a new debate, are they doing damage to america. they say yes. >> never seen a less optmistic time in my life time in this country . people wonteder why. i think it is simple. it is because governments are now telling them stop dreaming, stop strive we'll take care of you. american people no longer believe that this is a place that only their willingness to work hard and act with honor and integrit yein-- integrity and ingenuitiy. determines the success in life. >> and meanwhile, president obama is saying entitlements help people pursue the american dream. >> the idea that together we build this safety net, this basis of support allows all of us to take rick and try new things and get a new yob, because we know, we know that this there is a space to run . >> who is right, the president or the governor? welcome to cashin in. our crew. wayne, and johnathon and tracey and john, and also joining us democratic consultant julian epistein. do you think enti

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