president bush very courageously , michaelrd a proposal chertoff was heartbroken when the bill failed. aw the senate has passed comprehensive immigration reform bill. those conversation in the house that the house version might be different. you commended the congress in your remarks for the effort it is making. there is a news, comment from house speaker john boehner that it may not happen this year. greatk it will be a disappointment to many communities across our country who were hoping it will and to our efforts to rebuild our economy after the most serious recession since the great depression. do to persuade john of steps he might take in this election year to get this thing back on the right track? he was one of the one for said he wanted to make this happen. >> i do not have a crystal ball. there are people who talk to the speaker about this and other issues. i am sure he is getting no shortage of advice right now. in 2014ope will happen is that there is an emerging, evolving realization that this should not be politics. this is a problem that we have in this country that needs

that is cochaired by former secretary michael chertoff. me and -- we met with the secretary this morning about a report we have produced to recommend some action he might take. we hope to be useful in the future. so, today, i am pleased to welcome secretary jeh johnson for his first major policy address since taking office on december 23. as a former assistant u.s. attorney, general counsel of the air force, and later dod, he has been on the frontlines of counterterrorism policy, from desperately needed reform at guantÁnamo bay to our u.s. drone policy. more said later. the oxfordspeech at union in 2012, he said " we must be able to say to ourselves that our efforts should no longer be considered an armed conflict against al qaeda, rather, eight counterterrorism effort against individuals who are scattered remnants -- who are part of groups unaffiliated, for which the law enforcement and intelligence resources of our government are principally responsible in quad operation with the international community." that was his tryout speech for s

that is co-chaired by former secretary michael chertoff and me. we met with the secretary this morning about a report we have produced to recommend some action he might take. we hope to be useful in the future. so today i am pleased to welcome secretary jeh johnson for his first major policy address since taking office on december 23. as a former assistant u.s. attorney, general counsel of the air force and later dod, he has been on the front lines of counterterrorism policy, from desperately needed reform at guantÁnamo bay to our u.s. drone policy. more said later. in a major speech at the oxford union in 2012, he said, "we must be able to say to ourselves that our efforts should no longer be considered an armed conflict against al qaeda. rather, a counterterrorism effort against individuals who are scattered remnants of al qaeda, who are part of groups unaffiliated, for which the law enforcement and intelligence resources of our government are principally responsible in cooperation with the international community." that was his tryout speech fo

when michael chertoff was the director, he would routinely invite me as the chairman of a subcommittee down here for breakfast. we would talk about issues. we formed a professional relationship which developed into a friendship. i know you are having fun. it is a fact of that 100 committees and subcommittees of the united states congress, this is not an exaggeration. they have some piece of the homeland security mission. i think of is on the national journal cover and look like a where's waldo picture. it showed all the different jurisdictions. the 9/11 commission was a member of that recommended a number of wings which congress did in the president did except there is one glaring gap. that gap was to reorganize congress in a way that would streamline the homeland mission. you are going to get numerous requests to testify across the board. that is one issue in terms of the time sap for you. the other way is when you are a member of congress, you want to do something legislatively. pick one. reduction of overclassification of materials. you are on a committee. they have a piece of juris

he's been represented by two major law firms, including one run by chertoff, the former head of homeland security. the people who have invoked their fifth amendment rights are stepien and kelly. the committee investigating the scandal filed lawsuits against bill stepien and bridgette kelly. these are the civil actions they filed. if they continue to refuse to hand over documents they could be held in contempt which would be a matter of criminal prosecution against them. they are big heavy dense legal documents, these are the court filings against bill stepien and bridgette kelly today. it's legalese, but at times they readily pot boilers, this is the one from chris christie's campaign manager. the committee already has evidence demonstrating that mr. stepien received information related to the reassignment of access lanes, even while that reassignment was ongoing, and not only after it happened as mr. stepien corn tends. oh, really? in the other one, in the bridgette kelly civil action today. as the person who authored that e-mail saying it was time for traffic problems in fort lee, miss

general michael hayden and also a principal of the chertoff group and i asked him what this means torussia? >> as important as ukraine is to us, it's absolutely critical to putin and his broader, greater russian federation. secretary kerry has said some things today. he said, you know, this isn't a resemption of the cold war and this could be win/win. and that's noble and, gee, i wish it were so. but this is not win/win for vladimir putin. vladimir putin he views this as zero -- should that affect our behavior? i don't know. but we really have to appreciate that for him this is a zero sum game. he's not looking for a win/win scenario. it is, not my words, but they are wonderful words. it was a description of how the europeans deal with the ukrainian crisis two, three weeks ago and the observation was they brought a baguette to a knife fight. and we need to be very much aware after the -- to the extremes that putin might go to because his perception of this isn't win/win. his perception is win/lose. >> extremes are military confrontation. >> one would hope he doesn't do that. he is go

he's now with the chertoff consulting group and we welcome you to the program. you just heard mr.ay he's very concerned about this. how concerned are you? >> i'm concerned as well. i think probably the biggest issue here is that we have focused an awful lot the past couple years on cyber security within the electricity industry and this incident is an example of maybe we're focusing on the wrong thing when a physical attack was able to do this kind of damage. >> we talked about it. at one point he had called this domestic terrorist attack, the worst of its kind on the power grid. do you consider it the same thing? >> well, certainly chairman had access to and briefed in much more detail than i have and i am not in the law enforcement game so i wouldn't presume to call it a terrorist event. i just don't have enough information to do that. it's certainly something concerning. it is something that was focused. i think it was targeted, it was well planned out. so it wasn't just a couple of guys deciding to go off and shoot a couple rounds at a substation. >> which you were telling us