secretary chertoff: it is certainly a risk. terrorist group like isis or a similar group would see an opportunity in the flow of people to insert some operatives. in fact, there was a story in "the washington post" today about somebody who was one of the refugees in europe who was talking about how he liked living under isis in syria, so that is a very real risk. a small minority, but we have to pay attention. tom: i know that wikipedia has the boat lift it at 124,000 entrances spread over seven months. a substantial number. michael: in the early 1980's. the europeans are already there, so is it too late now? obviously, they can move everything to the middle east again, but with already the people on the cotton, is it too late? secretary chertoff: they are facing a situation where they have tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people who have arrived, many of whom do not have a clear destination. au are beginning to see position of internal border controls and that is a sign of how fraud the situation has become i

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they're joined by "washington post" columnist in michael gerson and merrill chertoff from the aspen institute. >> the first amendment to the united states constitution states that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. these words don't signal the end but rather the beginning of a spirited debate about the proper relationship between religion and the american state. in the early years of the united states, some interpreted the first amendment to mean that congress couldn't establish an official religion but cities and states could. by contrast, thomas jefferson described the first amendment as erecting a wall of separation between church and state. in ever son againson against th education the supreme court quoted jefferson's words urging this wall must be high and impig are nabl. in lemon against kurtzman, however, the court recognized some relationship between government and religious organizations is inevitable adding that the line of separation far from being a wall is a blurred indistinct and variable barrier depending

i can put us under secretary chertoff on quite a bit but it was a lot of fun because there's a lot of these camps where kids would learn java and then make an app. that makes it really fun for kids because i think the way computer science used to be taught was done in a really nerdy way. wasn't done an exclusive way. i heard the same thing about math education as well. not only is it not where you get your education but it's also where, how this stuff is top which i think is fascinating as well. if people respond differently to different types of education. >> great. thank you. does a great question to wrap up our keynote, so thank you very much, doctor dom's -- dr. doms. [applause] >> pope francis has been a washington, d.c. since tuesday. he leaves in about three hours from new york. tomorrow c-span will take your life for his remarks to the united nations general assembly at 10 a.m. eastern and then onto cinema after 9/11 memorial and museum at the world trade center the world trade center. life at 11:30 a.m. you can watch both events live on c-span3. >> a signature feature of book

secretary of homeland security michael chertoff, he said russia's making the situation in syria worseetting more engaged in syria. being helpful partners in resolving the situation there, they are doubling down with troops and air assets. that's going to exacerbate the refugee situation, which puts more stress on europe. it's also going to create more problems in the region itself. i think the storm is gathering force. i am pessimistic. tom: you are an important voice in america for refugees. i believe your mother was a , you know whatts it's like, your family knows what it's like to show up at the border and ask entry into the united states of america. or twoly back one generations. would you please explain to americans this morning, if there is a threat to syrian refugees bringing in even a few isis members, is that a legitimate concern for public officials? sure, it's a concern. i do think we have an obligation along with the rest of the world to help genuine refugees, people who are fleeing persecution and violence. and not merely people who are looking for economic opportunity. t