chertoff: no that is not happening.ven if you had a rule that requires all american companies to provide this their apps that will be impermeable. ways to going to find avoid the law enforcement. in the old days when we had wiretaps you know what criminals dated? they walked out of the building and they walked around the block and they had their conversation out of earshot. this is an issue with law-enforcement always deals with. you don't have perfect visibility. but somehow we managed to make these cases again and again. we did it that way the old days we can do it again. appointed the head of a pentagon advisory board. a little bitms contradictory. given the stance that google is taking in support of apple. chertoff: it is actually very smart move. they do set up these advisory panels. they bring in people with different experiences and different points of view. this is the same type of issue. bringing in people who understand modern technology and how it develops. getting the benefit of their expertise. a good way f

. >> you want to bring in michael chertoff. >> michael, good to talk to you. jim cramer. thanks for coming back to our show. >> sure. >> michael, can you give us as executive -- chairman of the chertoff group, former director of homeland security. in our country, are we ahead or behind? after we see what's happening in brussels -- a lot of what we do, you can't see what we do.

michael chertoff: it is not that they are legally warrant proof. if you want to design a system that is simply not accessible except by those who send and receive messages, i think there is real value in that. that may incidentally preventer -- prevent law enforcement from getting out information. the fact that we don't have a perpetual recording device in our houses that would make it easier for law enforcement, like in "1984," means we are balancing personal security and privacy against other issues. emily: i spoke with attorney general loretta lynch yesterday. explained what the government is asking apple to do. take a listen. loretta lynch: if there was a box of documents in someone's house that i could show a court may have evidence of a crime and the lock on the door was such that i needed to help -- i needed help to get in, i needed someone to help me, essentially, so i could get in without the documents self-destructing that , is what we're asking apple to do. don't run in and get it for us. don't take that risk. don't pull them out yoursel

michael chertoff joins us now on the phone. he was secretary of homeland security under president george w. bush. secretary chertoff, good morning. >> good morning. >> two airport bombs went off in the departure lounge, mr. secretary, before people went through security. one of them went off near a starbucks. do we need to change airport security at this point and move it back even further, if you would? >> well, i have to say, this is something i've spoken to people about for some time. the actual portion of the airport before the checkpoint is federal government. it's controlled by the local authorities. and it has increasingly become vulnerable because as people wait to go through security, they actually congregate there. and so now there's an effort, i think, on the part of tsa to start to move the airports into pushing the security envelope back. we've seen some of that in terms of not allowing you to park in front of the terminal but i think we're going to have to step that up. >> what can, what should the u.s. do at this

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chertoff was talking about it. if you want to know who is really trying to figure some of this stuff out, it is ibm and watson. they have this i2 enterprise analysis, trying to ferret people who may be political prisoners and people who shouldn't be. when you hear watson, you think what is that? is that a gimmick? because the ads are so funny. no, they have excellent healthcare analysis, but they're being used to find out who is good, who is bad. ibm, again, i feel is making a comeback. artificial intelligence and ibm, it's a hit. >> the secretary did refer to behavioral algorithms. that's ibm. >> as a tool we have and they don't. >> ibm won't tell you about it. the greatness of what watson may be is the invisibility of watson. if i was ibm, i would not be putting out a press release saying i'm involved. if you can ferret through the trillion pieces of data in healthcare, on national security. >> couple things to be aware of. ash carter expected to speak at a house hearing in a few moments. the president remains in

let's bring in michael chertoff, former homeland security secretary. good morning, good to have you here with us. we paul wake up to the news -- we all waysr wake up to the news -- we all wake up to the news and see this. >> you feel sympathy for the people who are victimized by this, but we also think of the vulnerability in our own country. the good news for americans is we are not in the same position as the europeans in terms of having a significant pool of operatives who are potential terrorists. i think right now the focus of authority is going to be whether there is any connection between operatives in western europe and people in the u.s. which means monitoring communications and meta data and coordinating with intelligence agencies in europe to see if there is anything we can do to help them. martha: we know salah abdeslam was part of what's called the i.s. external operations wing. clearly there is a direct connection in these actions. we don't know yet about brussels but we know about paris, the work that's been done to this i.s. external wi

no less a security hawk, the former department of homeland security michael chertoff.ator graham informed me the intelligence community is lobbying members of congress and asking them to come out in favor of apple if they can and if they can't, to remain neutral. kennedy: what does lyndsey graham know that some of his fellow hawks don't know or won't acknowledge. judge napolitano: he wouldn't tell me all the details but he told me the bottom line, the intelligence community accepts apple's argument that if apple makes this key, if apple makes this key taint's used once, the russian intelligence, the mossad ask will have it in a heartbeat and that would be catastrophic for the security our intelligence agency. what else they told them obviously he's not going to tell me. kennedy: hayden made the point encryption is vital to our national security. it's not just something customers on the free market have been clamoring for. it makes this country safer. judge napolitano: the f.b.i. dropped the ball here and to cover themselves for dropping the ball, the justice department

more than 50 experts signed onto that letter including former homeland security expert michael chertoffformer secretary of state robert kelly and former homeland of security advisor francis. donald trump is firing back. >> fighting wars in the middle east for 15 years, 18 years. we are into four or $5 trillion. we don't know what we're doing. we don't know who we're fighting. where arming people that we want on our side. we don't even know who they are. when they take over a country they are worse than the people they depose. give me a break. jenna: brett: you don't have to sign on to the letter, you get a column every week. it's very critical of donald trump. if you can step back and take a look at the advisors and what they have to say, what's your impression of this letter? why now and do you think it will be impactful? >> i hope it will be impactful. these are serious people. they all describe themselvesas republicans. they come however from a wide spectrum of the republican party in terms of their foreign policy views . and voters ought to take them seriously. i mean, the presidenc

among those who signed on our former home security secretary michael chertoff.eliver a speech later today to make his case why trump should not view the nominee. that will be ahead of tonight's republican debate in detroit. news 24 hours a day powered by our 2400 journalists in more than 150 news bureaus around the world. tom: thank you so much, futures are up and what we turn to super wednesday with the chief u.s. economist. about the market dynamics as we go to friday. how board at my? >> you should not be bored because we are seeing a turning of the tide in the financial markets. you look back a month ago and the markets were saying no rate hike this year and probably nothing going into next year. retailg with the january sales report, things began to change as the markets are reassessing the u.s. economy prospects and seeing an economy that's muddling through and that depends on the job report. tom: i could not get an answer from alan greenspan. how do you dovetail the jobs report into productivity data? how can you bring it over to unit labor costs? >> you

in this room just last thursday former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff testified that in his experience strong encryption laws help law enforcement more than it hinders any agency in any given case. the national security council has concluded that the benefits to privacy, civil liberties and cyber security gained from encryption outweigh the broader risk created by weakening encryption. and director comey himself has put it very plainly, universal strong encryption will protect all of us, our innovation, our private thoughts and so many other things of value. from thieves of all kinds. we will all have lock boxes in our lives that only we can open and in which we can store all that is valuable to us. there are lots of good things about this. now for years despite what we know about the benefits of encryption, the department of justice and the federal bureau of investigation have urged this committee to give them the authority to mandate that companies create back doors into their secure products. i've been reluctant to support this idea for a number of reasons. the tec

in this room just last thursday former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff testified thatn his experience strong encryption laws help law enforcement more than it hinders any agency in any given case. the national security council has concluded that the benefits to privacy, civil liberties and cyber security gained from encryption outweigh the broader risk created by weakening encryption. and director comey himself has put it very plainly, universal strong encryption will protect all of us, our innovation, our private thoughts and so many other things of value. from thieves of all kinds. we will all have lock boxes in our lives that only we can open and in which we can store all that is valuable to us. there are lots of good things about this. now for years despite what we know about the benefits of encryption, the department of justice and the federal bureau of investigation have urged this committee to give them the authority to mandate that companies create back doors into their secure products. i've been reluctant to support this idea for a number of reasons. the techn

the equilibrium project discussed here on thursday, the chertoff group has put out a on basically the and why it is very difficult to create a backdoor into a system and not have that exploited at some point. we need to put anything on the table and everybody needs to be honest, frank and transparent. and we need to innovate. this is one of those things that we have new technology brought into our society, much like nuclear power. we need some discourse around it. scarlet: right, that discourse, that discussion, the compromise might be years in the making. this might be an obvious question, but can't the government just hire someone from hewitt cap -- hewlett-packard to do this? allen: if you have legislation, basically, the same thing is going to happen. what we need to understand is we have a connected society and it is agnostic to borders. there are global of locations to this conversation. there's issues about competitors of u.s. i.t. firms. all of that needs to be taken into country of -- into account. i like the way you put that, agnostic to borders. effective a case, how is it

michael chertoff on "america's newsroom" just earlier this week said there is really no good way to identifyeone's risk of committing terrorism based on their religion or their ethnicity. let's listen to him. >> if you look historically back at people who carried out terrorist attacks in the u.s., many of them didn't start out as muslims. they looked like anybody else who was born a catholic, a christian, or whatever, and the idea you can identify people who are risks based upon their religion or the way they look is completely salacious. it is like going after cancer with a meat axe instead of a scalpel. patti ann: so how do we identify them? >> well, first of all, we count on a long tradition once again of law enforcement and being involved with the community. the front line are the police. they know what's going on in neighborhoods. they know the people who live there. they know something that looks normal from something that doesn't. so we have to strengthen that relationship as it pertains to between the police and say the federal government. fbi agents and agents of other federal entit

i agree with what secretary chertoff told you because he told me the same thing about the situation in 2006. that illegaliew migration is very market sensitive and reacts to information in the marketplace about what is going on and what you can expect to happen after you have paid a coyote $6,000 and have migrated all the way appear. to the consternation and unhappiness of many, i've been very public about our enforcement efforts. our enforcement efforts this fiscal year with regard to central america, after all these people go through the incredible fearprocess, having their heard in the appeals court and so forth, just this fiscal year, we have sent back 28,000 people to central america. nobody is sitting on their hands. we sent 28,000 people to central america. on average, 14 flights a week. people are being sent back routinely. but out of how: many people who have come? what is the total that have come in of the 28,000? the number of totally who have come in just this fiscal year exceeds that 28,000 number because a lot of them go through the litigation of our asylum claims and tha

. >> so, tara, would you take the arizona endorsement over secreta secretary chertoff. >> he's a localis a larger job. if people who are familiar with the ins and outs of national security, what it takes to keep this country safe, all those things, we're discounting them now? if they're concerned and we're not talking one or two. it's 50 plus. and i'm glad to see those with credibility that you can't say are career politicians. these are people who have spent their lives protecting this country. for them to come out and say we're concerned, this guy's foreign policy is dangerous. it will not keep america safe, it's unworkable. people need to pay attention to that. it's valid. we have not seen a thorough getting of donald trump's record or positions or things he's actually said, how many times he's changed his mind, the consequences of some of the crazy things he's said like using libel laws to write stories who criticize him. things are concerning to us who are lifelong republicans. these are concerning and valid for someone like that. >> scottie, last one. >> and also look at who thes

former dhs secretary michael chertoff has cautioned that you don't want to play into the narrative ofthe bad guy. a strong asylum and immigration system that ajude indicates the immigration removal cases be afforded in a timely and fair manner is essential. both for insuring the integrity of the u.s. immigration process, as well as for protecting refugees from returning to places of persecution. yet, over 480,000 immigration court removal cases have been pending for an average of 6667 days in the u.s. immigration courts with projected average wait times around three years. we urge congress to support the addition of immigration judges and additional support staff to address this backlog. finally the current asylum system is actually failing to provide protection in a manner consistent with this country's commitments, only the years so many barriers and hurdles and technical complexities have been added to the asylum system that refugees who seek the protection of the united states often find themselves denied asylum, delayed in receiving protection or in many cases that we see from ou

. >>> joining us in washington, former director of the cia and nsa, now a principal at the chertoff groupael hayden, always good to have you on the show, gentlemen. >> good morning. >> joe? >> general, i think i would put you in my category -- i hope not to insult you -- but we can probably agree on the need for enhanced interrogation techniques and both agree if belgium would have had it things may have been different yesterday. that aside, let's talk about ted cruz's statement. how important is it that the united states of america not follow ted cruz's advice? >> joe, i was watching your commentary a few sends nag the studio and i didn't know whether to say "amen" or "inshallah." it is spot on. i don't think the senator was calling for some of the things that bill bratton, my good friend, was saying. but that said, joe, we don't have radicalized communities in the united states. we have some radicalized individuals. we have it within our ability, however, to create radicalized communities and we ought to take every step not to do that. joe, i agree totally. our cultural bent towards ass

i agree with what secretary chertoff ~ because he told me the same thing about the situation of 2006 and i shared his view that illegal migration reacts to information in the marketplace what is going on in what you can expect to happen after you pay the coyote $6,000 migrating all the way up here. that is why to the up consternation and unhappiness of men -- many i have been public about enforcement efforts. just the first few months with regard to central america after they go through the process having their claim heard and the appeals run and so forth we have sent back 28,000 people to central america. we have sent back 28,000 people. on average 14 a week so they are sent back routinely. >> out of how many that have come? you are talking adults. what is the total of the 20,000 is what percent? >> the number total of who have come in in this fiscal year exceeds that number because a lot of them go through the of litigation and it takes months and months in doj has a limited amount of judges to hear the claims but then we send people back. >> i understand the political heat but dea

. >> joining us now on the "squak" news line, michael chertoff. mr. secretary, good morning. your thoughts, please? >> our hearts go out to the victim's families and to the people, the community. i think that there was some expectation that there might be attacks like this in light of the arrests that were made and further investigation, but it reminds us we need to start to look at security not only at the airport when you get through the checkpoint but in the departure areas, before you get to the checkpoint. we need to be aware of what's going on in the transit lounges. subways, transportations, public trans transit. i think persons in europe will have to be focused and aware of what their security situation is. increasingly we will see issues like this going forward. >> michael, you can take us inside homeland security at a time like this? this is similar to what we got in 2005 after subway bombings in britain. you get an early morning call, the first briefing about what's going on in europe. the first question you have to ask if you're in the department of security s the