chertoff? >> [inaudible] >> that essentially positioning missiles very close to the united states was sufficiently a war-like act that we could engage in a blockade. i think we quoted a quarantine to kind of have it up a little bit. and i think in the war relatively accepted. it's much more complicated in cyber. people firstly, loosely use the word attack, sometimes it means espionage, we've never looked at as an act of war. sometimes it could cause loss of life that is an act of war. and sometimes there's a middle position. this is a much more ambiguous set of circumstances than a physical world. >> thank you very much. senator udall, you've been very patient. senators have come and gone and you've stayed here. >> thank you, chairman wicker. >> recognize for five and a half minutes. [laughter] >> thank you. thank you, senator. appreciate the panel being here today. as a member of the foreign relations committee, i'm particularly concerned about how powerful tech savvy countries like russia and

did we, secretary chertoff?[inaudible] -- essentially positioning missiles close to the united states was sufficiently a warlike that we could engage in. we called it a quarantine to fuzz it up a little bit but i think it relied upon the physical world that was well accepted.it gets more complicated in cyber because first of all, we use the word. sometimes it just means espionage whichis never regarded as an act of war . sometimes it means something that could result in loss of life which isunquestionably war and then you have this middle position . this is i think a much more ambiguous set of circumstances than the physical world. >> thank you very much. senator udall, you've been very patient. >> thank you chairman wicker. >> your recognized for 5 anda half minutes . >>. [laughter]. thank you senator schatz. as a member of the foreign relations committee, i'm particularly concerned about how powerful tech savvy countries like russia and china limit access to the internet and their own nations by planning and c

we welcome secretary chertoff . [applause] >> i want to say when i saw the gavel i thought wow, i haven't had a capital since i was a joint. i felt like banging it a little bit. when you're onthe court , you don't have to use a gavel. >> i used use a gavel when i preside over the house when nancy was the speaker and it was five times the size of this and the trick really is that you don't bang the gavel. you go like this. so, it's only effective if you have to look that my mother taught me which can make lots wife turn into a pillar of salt. let's get into our conversation. this is really a great book , exploding data and i was interested in not only because of the world we all live in, is your data safe? is facebook building communities or are they just selling your data? they had the largest stock decline in the world today so i approached the book and wonder, this is really one of these technical, sometimes ponderous subjects. you've done a great job of weeding in stories though people can understand what exactly

please welcome secretary chertoff.the [applause] when i saw the gavel i thought i haven't had a gavel since i was a judge. when you are on the court of appeals you don't actually use it. [laughter] >> i used to preside over the house when nancy pelosi was the speaker and it was five times the size of this and the trick is you don't bang the gavel, you go like this. so it's only effective if you have the looked at my mother taught me. [laughter] let's get down to the conversation. this is a great book, "exploding data." i was interested not only because of the world we all live in. is your data safe, is facebook really building communities were just filling the data. as you know they have the largest decline in the in stock today. i approach the book and wondered this is one of these technical kind of subjects. you have done a great job of weaving the stories in so people can understand what exactly is happening and why this is such an important subject so i have dogeared a bunch of pages and i just want to go through y

chertoff. the security elections active bill to basically streamline information sharing between federal and state agencies that was an outrage that 21 states were hacked into and did not find out for one year and then they cannot protect themselves because they don't know if it is going on in another state. my first question is do you think our states are adequately prepared? we have the 380 million out from the last budget. what else should we protect our voting equipment there is a greater understanding they have to be engaged. when i would that asked in a couple weeks ago to some degree they are engaging that this shift will take a while to turn around you have aging infrastructure in many places. in some areas not even understanding how they connect to the internet. >> 14 states have no paper ballots or partial. >> that will require a change in equipment and protocol. the short answer is we are moving in the right direction we are pressing the accelerator but i don't know if this will be f

please welcome secretary chertoff. [applause] >> thank you.i want to say when i is that -- gavel, i was like wow, i haven't had a gavel since i use to bed in court. >> i used to be when nancy was the speaker and it's five times, the secret is you don't bang the gavel, you go like this. so only effective if you have the look that my mother taught me which can make lots wife turn into pillar salt. i was interested not because the older that we all live in. is the data safe, is facebook really building communities or are they just selling your data as you know they have the largest stock decline and i approach the book and and wondered, you know, this is really one of the technical, sometimes ponderous kinds of subjects, you have done a great of weaving in stories so people can understand what exactly is happening and why this is such an important subject. so i dogeared a bunch of pages. why don't you talk about how you organize this so people can approach it and i hope everybody is going to take this home and spend time with it. >> thank you. i

plus, michael chertoff weighs in on safeguarding national security and information privacy in the digital age. and former wall street executive nomi prince offers her thoughts on the power and influence of the world's central bankers. those are just a few of the programs airing this weekend on booktv. for a complete schedule visit booktv.org. we now kick off the weekend with rutgers university history professor rachel devlin who provides a history of the desegregation of american public schools through the actions of young women throughout the country. >> good evening. good evening. >> good evening. >> and

michael hayden former acting cia had mike morrell and former bush era homeland security chief michael chertoff are on tire of interim recently sat down with saeed to discuss the slippery slope of facebook friends censorship. is this kind of push for the corporate policing of free speech. and political content a kind of his manifesto itself you know recently with kind of facebook executives teaming up with a group of the atlantic council to decide you know what is fake news and bad political speech and what is good news and good political speech. how many different ways is this a really bad idea it's it's unbelievably scary and. even if you take the worst case scenario view of what happened in two thousand and sixteen with russian meddling. this is a separate. and extremely terrifying political development that has been going on for a long time even independently again of the russian story because a huge part of what's happening now with this whole situation with facebook zapping sites that you know some think tank full of x e i t. people like the atlantic council that would would not be possib

the learn that at 730 former homeland security secretary michael chertoff weighs in on safeguarding national security and privacy in the digital age. then on the "after words" program at night, comedian and actor dl huguely shares thoughts on race in america. he is interviewed by democratic representative, jeffries of new york. and we wrap up primetime programming at 10:30 p.m. with former wall street executive, nomi prins. that happens tonight on booktv on c-span2. television for serious readers. a reminder this weekend the full schedule is available on our website. booktv.org. booktv recently visited capital health asked members of congress what they are reading this summer. >> a summary reading the book about president lyndon johnson. it is the fourth in a series of books he wrote about president johnson. this one is called the passage of power. it is about the years when he was vice president for kennedy and the transition when president kennedy was assassinated and vice president johnson became president johnson. >> this is one of a series of books. the first one is how he became johnso

plus, michael chertoff weighs in on safeguarding national security and information privacy in the digital age. and former wall street executive nomi prince offers her thoughts on the power and influence of the world's central bankers. those are just a few of the programs airing this weekend on booktv. for a complete schedule visit booktv.org. we now kick off the weekend with rutgers university history professor rachel devlin who provides a history of the desegregation of american public schools through the actions of young women throughout the country. >> good evening. good evening. >> good evening. >> and welcome to the enoch pratt free library's author series. i'm edith fisher, and it is my pleasure and honor to introduce our special guest speaker, rachel devlin who is an a award-winning historian and associate is professor at rutgers university since 2011, whose scholarly interests are in the cultural politics of girlhood, sexuality and race in the postwar united states. she is the author of relative intimacy, fathers, adolescent daughters and postwar american culture, and she received

former homeland security secretary michael chertoff says we all need to read the fine print and evenconsent. it can't be a consent that's obtained because you don't have a realistic choice, and you should have control over the use of your data, even after it's generated. >> the insurance industry insists setting premiums is highly regulated at the state level, but one of the companies that gathers data on all of us is lexus nexus. you can ask for your own full report on you, so i did, and this is it. it is 400 pages of my life, old addresses, dating back to when i was in college, phone numbers, addresses, mortgages, rental units, credit cards, even hunting and fishing licenses, everything, education is included here. if i'd ever been divorced or arrested, that would be included, and this is all legally collected on all of us. also by the way, social media accounts. it's eye-opening and it's the kind of information that insurance companies are using. ladies, back to you. >> wow. >> that is -- >> tom's is 400 pages. ours is like 800. gosh, that's and eye-opener. >>> straight ahead the

homeland security secretary michael chertoff testified how privacy can be a model for us regulators.