chertoff: i agree, no. bill: let's assume if the train turns back to the blue line than the green line, then the electoral college convenes and votes, and there has been some speculation this could get thrown into the house and senate. i know this is a bit of a pop quiz without any homework assignment for you to, but -- two, but how much do you worry about that? that when the electoral college convenes, members of the house and senate might challenge the findings of the electoral college? sec. chertoff: i don't think there is a legal basis to do that. i mean, if there were an issue about a particular delegation, that would go to congress to determine, which of the two competing delegations is the correct one. but as we discussed with the legislature, i don't see the legislatures coming up with an alternative slate. so then, the only issue is congress gets to weigh in if someone doesn't have 270 votes. so for some reason you had 269-269, given the math, that's not going to happen here. so it's just going to

chertoff served as a federal judge on the u.s. court of appeals for the third circuit. earlier during more than a decade as a federal prosecutor, he invested and prosecuted cases of political corruption, organized crime, corporate fraud, and terrorism, including the investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. he is now cofounder and executive chairman of the chertoff group, a risk advisory -- risk management advisory service. janet napolitano is professor of public policy at the golden school of public policy at uc berkeley. she served as the 20th president of the university of california, the nation's largest public research university. prior to joining the university of california, professor napolitano served as secretary of homeland security from 2009 2 to 2013. she's a former two-term governor of arizona and former u.s. attorney for arizona. in 2019, napolitano published "how safe are we: public security since 9/11." she earned her bs degree at santa clara university and her law degree from the university of virginia. finally, dave marchick is a retired executive f

if >> secretary chertoff, you served in the bush years. how much in the administration -- i know in a president bush his first year which was slowed down by florida. were we down the vote totals in florida compared to today, 2016, and a couple other close elections. that close election in the first year where president bush shaped his year -- within the administration, was there legend and more about this? how did people in the administration think about that first year? how did it affect their view of the transition to president obama? as they pointed out, the biggest challenge was getting people process the ethics checks, the backer, checks and other things to confirm. [inaudible] that was six months before the integration. those came in later. ick i was in the department of justice on 9/11 and we were shorthanded in terms of senior people. the a.g. was confirmed to deputy. mueller was on the job for one week. we had to execute government triple duty to pick up some of the responsibilities that normally would have been taken by others wh

i'm going start with you, secretary chertoff. this group that came out is part of the department of homeland security. they say no votes were compromised. it was the most secure election in american history. there was no fraud. isn't it time for the president to stop this charade? >> i think it's past time. i think at this point, everyone would benefit if the president acknowledged that he lost, or the transition begin, and that he cooperated with the incoming administration. this is about the security and the safety of the american people. and there is a lot going on, and we can't afford to play games. i think it's well past time to acknowledge biden, donald trump that he lost. >> secretary napolitano, president-elect biden still hasn't gotten any intelligence briefings. republicans are taking baby steps towards that saying that he should. isn't it the bare minimum that should be happening right now? shouldn't they be doing more? should there be more outrage, nor action around this? >> sure. president-elect biden should be getti

. >> also, before michael chertoff was the secretary of homeland security, he was a u.s. attorney and a federal judge. i'll get his take on trump's legal challenges to the election. plus, what has trump's obfuscation of the truth done to an already deeply divided american public? "the wall street journal" opinion writer and former reagan speechwriter, peggy noonan, gives me her perspective. but first, here's my take. the predictions most people make about the outcome of this election are probably right. donald trump's refusal to concede to joe biden won't change reality. his lawsuits appear to be going nowhere with one judge describing a trump campaign legal brief as inadmissible hearsay within hearsay. republican state legislatures are not going to designate their own slates of electorates in defiance of the duly recorded vote totals. so once all the ranting and suing is over, biden will almost certainly be inaugurated as the president of the united states on january 20th, 2021. but trump is attacking, defaming and delegitimizing american elections in an manner unprecede

secretary chertoff, i want to start with you.e delayed transition in the year 2000. it is said that may have had an impact in the administration's response to 9/11. you were there. could you tell us how the transition affected the government's actions on that terrible day. >> as the commission, the 9/11 commission made clear, because of a delay in transition, which was due to the fact that there was a dispute about the florida votes, there was a delay in getting people cleared, nominated and in taking on positions, confirmed positions at the critical agencies. so i was there and a few other people were there but we had some vacancies that were not filled and that put more of a burden on people who remained in office, it metropolitant that w slower to respond and one of the takeaways was in a world of terrorism, you cannot afford to have a gap between two administrations. >> we are still living in that world of terrorism, secretary chertoff. so as we stand today, are you worried there could be a repeat and we could be flat footed

secretary chertoff you were appointed by president george w. bush.int, your perspective of the -- of election security two days out. >> so i would agree with janet that i think we have a very secure infrastructure and i think we have authorities who are very alert to the possibility of some kind of interference. and the good news is very many people have voted already, which means that their votes are already cast and in the system and they will be counted. so that actually reduces the temptation for somebody to try to interfere in the voting process. i would encourage everyone to go vote, be patient, practice social distancing but i think -- and they can have a lot of confidence that they will be able to vote and the votes will be counted. >> you know, to your point, secretary chertoff, counseling wisely the american public to be patient, but what do you say -- or how destabilizing is it when you have the potential of the president of the united states not exhibiting the patience required to see that all those votes are counted? >> well, i think we

at noon former homeland security secretaries michael chertoff and janet napolitano will be part of a discussion on presidential transitions and the peaceful transfer of power in relation to national security. it is hosted by the university of virginia's miller center and starting at noon. we are waiting for a news conference with how speaker pelosi starting just a few minutes. right now, a discussion from this morning's washington journal. host: we did republicans only yesterday. your thoughts on how joe biden will govern. how she could -- how should he interact with republicans on capitol hill? on those votes in arizona, this is the reporting of the arizona republic. "biden increases lead in arizona, ending trumps hope continuing vote count would put the state in his column." they write "seemingly every national news that has not called arizona for joe biden, called it late thursday shortly after maricopa county reported results from its latest round of ballots." fox news and the associated press had already called arizona for biden last week but at that point president trump had a

. >> coming at noon eastern, former homeland security secretary's michael chertoff and janet napolitano will depart the talk on transitions. it is hosted by the university of virginia's miller center. eddiech in-depth with glock junior, live, sunday at noon eastern. his books include "james america" and "exodus: america."y in c-spanat new eastern on 2. q&a, theght on university of texas at austin sociology professor sarah rein talks about big data and surveillance technologies. >> they are collecting their own data. now in thepening digital age is they are increasingly collecting this information on people who do not have a direct contact and part of that has to do with the data, that they are purchasing information from collected companies. of with that kind information, it's also being used. >> sarah brain sunday night on c-span's q&a. >> todd harrison is with us. he is the defense budget analysis. we will get to the discussion on the defense budget, what may be ahead in the right and administration and work to do on capitol hill on defense issues. first, good morning. we wanted to st

i actually had known michael chertoff from a prior life. i was serving as governor. he actually sent briefing materials and people to phoenix to bring me up to speed on all the operations of the department of department of health -- homeland security, excuse me. beyond that, on the day of the inauguration, there was an active threat stream that was being monitored. and we actually agreed that he would stay over a day or two in case that threat stream actually materialized into something so that we wouldn't have a change in command in the middle of the inauguration ceremonies. and so it was a very smooth transference. it was a professional transference. and i think the agencies in the trump administration are prepared. they're just waiting for the signal to go. >> don't underestimate the need for leadership during the transition period and the smooth handover of leadership because there is so much happening that we're just not aware of. janet napolitano, thank you for joining us. geoff bennett and carol lee, thank you as well. >>> we are following more breaking news.

former republican homeland security secretary michael chertoff. >> it is completely unfounded and inappropriate for a president to make unsupported, false claims about fraud which do nothing more than undermine confidence in our country and in our democracy and our constitution >> reporter: also tonight the postal service said it discovered hundreds of undelivered ballots in the carolinas and pennsylvania and delivered them after election day but says there's too few to affect the results lester >> all right tom, thank you >>> coming up, our own al roker reveals a very personal challenge and has an important message. >>> we want to share some news tonight about a member of our nbc news family, our friend al roker revealing he's been diagnosed with prostate cancer. tonight al has a message to all of you about how doctors discovered it and his road ahead >> you hear the word cancer and, you know, your mind goes -- it's the next level you know i've been feeling great but my doctor discovered i had an elevated psa level in my bloodwork, psa standing for prostate specific antigen it is the first lin

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that's from 40 people including people like dan coats, who was part of his administration, michael chertoff, but also madeleine albright and many former members of congress, democrats and republicans. it was appalling as well as the behavior of his sons going out and threatening members of congress for not, you know, coming out and agreeing with them. >> and, amanda, after four years of president trump, i'm pretty confident that we can say that he's known as this bare-knuckle cage fighter when he wants to push back and fight back. so how can democrats combat this as the president challenges this in court, goes on camera, makes baseless accusations that he cannot back up with evidence? >> you know, i think it's important to do what biden is doing right now, showing the difference between his leadership and trump's leadership, but i also think it's really important to go around and hold republicans accountable, and perhaps it will spark a conversation where you will see democrats and republicans beginning to work together in what will hopefully be a new administration that actually credits pu

at noon former homeland security secretaries michael chertoff and janet napolitano will be part of a discussion on presidential transitions and the peaceful transfer of power in relation to national security. it is hosted by the university of virginia's miller center and starting at noon. we are waiting for a news conference with how speaker pelosi starting just a few minutes. right now, a discussion from this morning's washington journal. host: we did republicans only yesterday. your thoughts on how joe biden will govern. how she could -- how should he interact with republicans on capitol hill?

at noon, michael chertoff and janet napolitano talk about presidential transitions in the importance of the peaceful transfer of power for national security. discussionat noon, a on the role of telehealth during the pandemic. now, look at the results of the presidential election and what to expect from a biden administration. fromccain institute heard guests. this is an hour and 10 minutes. cindy: good afternoon and i would like to welcome you to the second part of the mccain institute straight talk live and my clock is ringing. i'm so sorry. thank you to our eminently qualified panelists, the campaign managers for both the mccain and obama campaigns, rick davis and david plus, election law expert trevor potter, and new york times white house correspondent, maggie haberman. guided by alex wagoner, they will offer their analysis on what will surely be an insightful discussion on this national election held just nine

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do you share former secretary chertoff's security concerns? >> absolutely.mental to our national security apparatus. it is detrimental to the pandemic response which is basically on pause right now by this administration. that held that briefing yesterday when they were not actually sharing the information, what the income team and we're supposed to be united against this virus and unitedadverse aries and you have a group that do not care about the overall direction of our country and the direction that we're going in. >> jake sherman, are there any republicans i keep thinking of rob portman, he was around for 9/11, are there any republicans who have any worries about threats from terrorists as mike chertoff is talking about it or domestic threats an the impact the 9/11 commission found that the delayed or shortened transition in 2000 was a factor among many in the attacks of 9/11 or with there any national security republicans left in the u.s. senate? >> there are. and you showed some of them at the front end, i guess marco rubio and mitt romney, i would co

i'll start with you, secretary chertoff.ng tonight about how the election has played out so far? >> well, i think some of the biggest concerns we had turned out not to have come to fruition. i think it was a big concern about violence that might interfere with people's ability to actually go to the polls on election day or interference with the voting process or even potentially government agents being present in a way that would be intimidating. and the reporting i've seen suggests that, other than a few sporadic instances of potential voter intimidation, largely, this has gone reasonably smoothly. so, it looks, at least in terms of the issue of getting people to the polling places and getting them to vote, we've avoided any serious problems. now, of course, we still have a question of the count and the result, and that could very well be a case for seeing more disruption. >> that brings me to secretary ridge, who, by the way, hails from the great state of pennsylvania, the commonwealth of pennsylvania. and when we talked e

. >> chuck, i want to play an interesting point that former republican homeland security michael chertoffe about the election results and get your take on the other side. >> if you look at the fact that there was apparently a fair amount of ticket splitting, where people voted for joe biden for president, but then may have voted for republican for the house or for the senate, that reinforces the idea that there was no fraud. >> chuck, your thoughts on that argument? is it a political point that could be considered in court? >> first of all, mike is a very smart guy, and i had the privilege of working with him in the justice department. however, what he is saying is that if they needed to, the biden folks could induce evidence there is no fraud, statistically in the way he's describing. they don't have to, craig, and here's why. the burden of proof is always on the person bringing the lawsuit, the plaintiff, the complainant. in this case, it'd be the rnc on behalf of the trump campaign or something like that. so the biden folks don't have to prove anything in court. right now, the burden o

at noon, michael chertoff and janet napolitano talk about theidential transitions and importance of peaceful transfer of power for national security. onc-span2, angus king telehealth during the pandemic. >> the supreme court heard oral s,gument in california v. texa concerning the constitutionality of the affordable care act. the justices will decide if the individual mandate requiring each person to have elf insurance

form former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff said he has done everything you would want a senior official at dhs to do. as far as i'm concerned, this firing is a badge of honor for chris krebs. krebs has not been silent, telling nbc news i am proud of the work we did at cisa, i am produced of the teammates i had at cisa. we did it right. trump's move to root out from his government and the country the honest brokers that ensure and vouch for integrity of the election he ended up losing fair and square was dealt another blow when the trump supporters on a key michigan election board caved to reality and certified joe biden's win there. getting fired by donald trump is the new resume builder, where we start this hour. elizabeth newman, former assistant secretary for threat prevention and security policy at the department of homeland security, now adviser to the republican political alliance for integrity and reform is back. also joining us, jim root enberg, writer for "new york times" and times sunday magazine. he has been all over this story. donald trump's battle against

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honestly >> the american public -- >> reporter: former republican homeland security secretary michael chertoffthat there was apparently a fair amount of ticket splitting where people voted for joe biden for president but then may have voted for a republican for the house or for the senate, that reinforces the idea that there was no fraud. >> reporter: republicans, in fact, did better than expected in the election defying the polls to pick up seats in the house of representatives the fate of the senate majority now coming down to two runoff elections in georgia president trump points out that he was ahead early in many states highway went on to lose, so-called mirages that many experts anticipated before election day in pennsylvania where officials could not start counting the more than 2.6 million mail-in ballots until after the polls closed on tuesday, it was a red mirage, which the day of votes in first, president trump led joe biden by more than 696,000 early wednesday morning, but as mainland ballots were tallied, biden pulled ahead first, on friday morning by just 5,500 votes, he since ex