she is interviewed by cheryl atkinson, atkinson, author of stonewalled and a former cbs news correspondent. >> so great to be speaking with you. welcome. >> thanks. great to be talking to you. >> let's start with a couple definitions right off the top. what would you say is a liberal and what would you say is a conservative? i think you can -- every conservative doesn't believe the same thing. every liberal doesn't believe the same thing, they both share some basic ideas about the role of government. they both see the role of government as being a positive force. conservative seeing -- see it as being more the problem. >> your book talks about what you call the liberal left. i'll just read part of one paragraph. with no sense of irony ashamed the air liberal left will engage in a tax of their own an effort to delegitimize people who dissent from the already decided worldview. it seems to be the basic they buy the book. >> right. i distinguished them from liberals who i think -- i consider myself a liberal. i think most liberals are principled and do still value the idea of free speech and

cheryl atkinson testified foia is a broken system not by accident but by design.er reporter that you just heard said the pentagon only agreed to give up documents he requested many times if he promised never to submit another foia request. really? the argument supporting why there is such a long delay getting docs out to journalists is because of agency budget cuts. there simply aren't enough people to do the job. do you agree with that? more importantly, after these hearings do you think anything will change? you can get my takes on my facebook page and foxnews.com. >>> coming up the family of a boston terror suspect questioning police about their encount their killed the man carrying a military-style knife. police just showed that video though to community leaders. they watched it today. will it help to ease the tensions? >>> the first pitch for a major event honoring three slain new york police officers just a few hours away. it's hosted by these guys. how do you honor your local law enforcement? get the complete balanced nutrition of ensure. with nine grams of

we heard yesterday cheryl atkinson say foia is a pointless, useless shadow of its former self and testified it took ten or 11 years to get a request she submitted submitted. another witness said that the pentagon, told him it would take 15 years to give him one and they said they would if he agreed to never file another foia request and the court ruled in his favor captioning -- and said it was ridiculousmr. mcraw said they had to file eight different lawsuits last year, and i have told their 424 lawsuits from 2014. we had another witness you told about the year she had spent litigating for you -- foia and brought in numerous notebooks full of pages that were sent to her with practically everything, thousands of pages with 100% on most of his pages totally redacted, and it was useless. i can tell you the american people think the federal government is already far too weak, too out of control, and party she could give -- far too secretive, and the american people will not stand for more secrecy from the federal government. i would say to you foia officers who are listening, if you do not sta

we heard in here yesterday cheryl atkinson say that foia is a pointless useless shadow of its former self. she testified that it took over 10 years, 10 or 11 years to get a request that she submitted. another witness, mr. leipold said the pentagon agreed to -- told him it would take 15 years to give him material and they said they would only give it to him if he agreed never to file another foia request. of course then the court ruled in his favor and said it was ridiculous that they came up with that 15-year business. mr. mccarl from "the new york times" who said "the new york times" just that one business had to file eight different lawsuits last year foia lawsuits. and i'm told there were 422 foia lawsuits just in 2014. we had another witness cleeta mitchell, who told about the years she had spent litigating foia and brought in here numerous probably -- looked like about 10 or 12 notebooks full of pages that finally were sent to her with practically everything thousands of pages with 100% of those -- 100% on most of those pages totally redacted and it really was just useless. i ca

we heard yesterday cheryl the atkinson say foia is a pointless, useless shadow of its former self-and testify erer self and said i took ten or 11 years to get a request she submitted submitted. another witness said that the pentagon, told him it would take 15 years to give him one and they said they would if he agreed to never file another foia request and the court ruled in his favor captioning performed by vitac

we heard yesterday cheryl the atkinson say foia is a pointless, useless shadow of its former self and said it took ten or 11 years to get a request she submitted. another witness said that the pentagon, told him it would take 15 years to give him one and they said they would if he agreed to never file another foia request and the court ruled in his favor captioning and said it was ridiculous. they came up with that 15 year business. mr. mccraw from "the new york times" who said "the new york times" just that one business had to file eight different lawsuits last year. foia lawsuits. i'm told that there were 422 foia lawsuits just in 2014. we had another witness ms. mitchell, who told about the years she had spent litigating foia. and brought in here numerous, probably looked like about ten or 12 notebooks full of pages that finally were sent to her with practically everything, thousands of pages with 100% of -- on most of those pages totally redacted. and it really was just useless. i can tell you, the american people think the federal government is already far too big, out of control

i really thought that cheryl atkinson's book hit it on the head.here have been some other political books that are very good to have been describing the atmosphere and how it has changed in washington. host: we will have to leave it there to move on to a few more callers. next is rachel from iowa city, iowa. rachel, do you use facebook? caller: actually no. probably the closest thing i would use would be twitter so no, but i do get my news from a variety of sources. i am really looking for original reporting and journalism. one great thing about the internet is it allows you to look at things like ap and reuters for yourself and i do not think that was possible before the internet. i also get newspapers, i read a national newspaper and a local newspaper every day. i enjoy news like frontline and magazines like "mother jones" that do a lot of original reporting. i think now you can get that kind of news and a lot of different formats. it is trying to find that original reporting, places like c-span for example. host: a few more comments from twitter

we heard yesterday cheryl the atkinson say foia is a pointless, useless shadow of its former self-and testify erer self and said i took ten or 11 years to get a request she submitted submitted. another witness said that the pentagon, told him it would take 15 years to give him one and they said they would if he agreed to never file another foia request and the court ruled in his favor captioning performed by vitac the american people are not u going to stand for more secrecy. none of you are going to want to live with it all but can you assure me that if chairman chaffitz calls a hearing a year from now that we are going to hear much better stories than we've heard these past couple of days? you talked about timeliness and all these thing that is sound good. but shurg you don't accept or don't defend a system that takes 10 or 15 years to grant simple requests. we've heard these past we also want to use technology to find greater efficiencies in processing foia requests so we can proceed more quickly. >> i hope there's some requests bn granted without forcing lawsuits over it but i'm t