you're on with author cheryl cashion. hello, i would like to ask the author if she thinks the black lives movement has helped the typical black community. i live here outside philadelphia where there has been a significant increase in crime and homicides. and i believe they are related because now there's less law enforcement and crime prevention. thank you. professor so i am not intimately familiar with. the state of reform or lack thereof with policing that's that's not my area of expertise. there has been admittedly a spike in violent crime since 2020 since the pandemic. there's a lot of speculation about the why of it some people would like to suggest that police have been hampered and and can't do their jobs others are speculate that there's a lot of economic deprivation coming out of the pandemic and that has it. i don't purport to know the answer to that but what i will say is that i've studied some cities that have experimented with strategies outside of policing that have achieved a decline in violent crime even

author and georgetown university law professor cheryl cashion was a gaston book tv's monthly in-depth program. her books include the failures of integration the agitators daughter and most recently white space black hood. here's a portion. so the primary response to the great migrants more than six million black people moved to escape jim crow moved north and west between you know, 19 like 19 teens and 1970 and the primary response to them wherever they landed was to contain them in their own neighborhoods and through a series of policies, you know in chicago a give example of the south side of chicago black people near where michelle obama grew up were contained in one eight square mile area with an intense density of people that whites never had to endure so you have people living on top of people. nowhere else to move and when after urban renewal, which i just mentioned hundreds of thousands of black people were displaced from their homes because blacks often lived very strategically right near downtown. so they in the name of slum clearance their homes get mowed down. where were t

cheryl cashion in your latest book white space black hood you identify as a descendant of both slaves and slaveholders? well, that's the truth. i established that in agitator's daughter where i go back sixth generations of with cash and i descend from a guy named jane john cashion. who was a enslaver in augusta, but also, a very complicated man had an apparently benevolent relationship with a mixed-race woman and father a gaggle of children named cashion, including my great-grandfather. so i descend from that and then my mother's side of the family. i also did descend from enslaved people. and your great-great-grandmother was lucinda boudre lucinda boudre who you write about. right. she is the mick. thank you for naming her she is the mixed race woman who had this relationship with john cashion in augusta. we could not establish for certain whether she was enslaved or free but i find her in philadelphia in 1860 the head of a household with a you know, something like six children named cashion by then john cashion her common law husband i think was deceased. and somehow this very brave