. >> cheryl lynn. >> the map knows his stuff. . >> right. '70s i started to write seriously but didn't get on the hit train until '78. >> what was the first moment when you heard the cheryl lynn song, when you heard the first hit on the radio. >> 1973, skylor, and "wildflower" that was a hit. i was the leader of the group. strange, you work on a song for four months in the studio, and you hear it 1,000 times, and you sit in the car and you turn the dial until you find it on the radio, like it will sound different. you heard it, but there's something about it coming over magic. >> part of that is you are in a room like this. i'm curious whether you are more surprised by the hits or misses you had. >> you are in the room, creating, you hear the miss and you are like wow, that works. maybe it doesn't. or, yes, that's going to work, and it does. >> yes. well, the real mystery is that you can do it and it works, and you do it again and it works, and you do it again and it works, and do it again and it fails. you do the same thing, putting time an