chesbrough's attorney said it was just pouring paperwork stuff.ed architect of the fake electors scheme. contrast that with what the reality of what was actually happening in your state at this time. >> i was caught off guard, how captivated i was. it took me back to all the classes i missed and college watching the og simpson trial. but yes, the sharp elbows came out quickly. listening to chesbrough's attorney and powell's attorney shows sharp elbows at each other, like, oh, my clients did not do much wrong, and the other client, the other person being represented, did. that is what we will see play out, i think. look, nobody has any allegiance to donald trump, anymore. nobody cares about donald trump 's future, they watch about -- the care about their kids graduating from high school, getting married, they don't want to be in jail or prison, for that matter. i think as we watch this play out, america will meet a low rink mob boss and not a former u.s. president when we watch all these grueling details, these sloppy procedures, to just try and se

kenneth chesbrough, yes we call him chesebro for the last weeks. guess what, today we learned it is not pronounce like that. they are both asked for speed, trials haven't sydney powell. separate attorneys have asked the judge to sever their cases. >> why should mr. chesbrough have to deal with a jury who will sit there for weeks if not months and listen to all of this evidence related to kaufman county and miss powell is never been there never met miss powell never met him a tax and called her. never spoken to her directly or indirectly. >> all the average will get washed away in there isn't only acts of testimony. and whether or not it under what circumstances and alternative electors can be put in place. and whether legal opinions of mr. trump's borough of any sort of legal validity. all of that is going to be prejudicial to my client. >> the lawyers for the district attorney's office were not buying any of those. >> we've heard a lot from both defendants about they did not know the other people. they were located thousands of miles apart. they d

what are they going to give me an chesbrough? the case is coming up on october 23rd. what can you give me in the bigger case that is coming second? so, if they don't played before the pell and chesbrough case, obviously, they can't provide testimony in that case. so, the value of their testimony goes down, which means the offer that you give them goes up, looking at more time, looking at worst charges. so, it is flipping season. you're absolutely right. it's got this time pressure, because of the speedy trial demands. which is forcing those two trials to go to trial october 23rd. those trials fall through, at that point, we've got more time. >> yeah, october 23rd. october 1st is sunday, for everybody keeping track here. melissa, also happening on monday, it's the beginning of new york attorney general, letitia james civil case against donald trump. we have some confirmation from nbc news this evening that trump, as in donald, will be showing up to trial on monday. what could go wrong here, melissa? donald trump testifying in a civil case. >> well, i mean the last time

one thing we know is that chesbrough and powell have made their speedy trial demands.f the time that can be better spent preparing for trial, questioning some jurors, i don't envision this taking very long. >> and now if chairs burrow is a lot to do this, does that mean trump will as well, if you ask? >> it sure seems to me, if other rico defendants made the same request, the judge did not require any showing from chesbrough or powell before he granted it, why wouldn't he grant other attorneys requests to engage in similar questioning of the jurors? >> all right, besides this, which is currently the most puzzling, you covered every twist and turn in trump's legal saga. what is the most important thing that you saw this week? >> there was some big blockbuster reporting originally by abc news about a long time donald trump eight, a woman named molly michael, who said that she was an executive assistant, a close aide to trump when he was in the oval office. she moved with him down to mar-a-lago and continued to be a close executive assistant, and assure sounds like donald

chesbrough, he says i want a speedy trial. have an automatic right to that under georgia law, but so far as phil willis is pointed out, nobody has been severed which is far from automatic. it is more unusual than not. so everyone together now is on chesebro schedule. we assume that has to give, but fani willis is insisting that the judge has to go through the severance analysis, which requires a showing that i don't -- so trump, said i don't have enough time. that's not a reason to sever. chesbrough says i don't want sydney powell with. meet we hardly work together at all. that's not a reason to sever. you have to show a real fundamental effect on fairness. and how the judge mcafee is going to handle that is really right now the biggest procedural puzzle out there. >> so you can, ask but it's not necessarily granted. hearing you say that there are cracks within the cracks and among the 19 defendants. how could that development affect donald trump? >> well, it's interesting. the most obvious way is right now donald trump, belie

. >> let's move on to this issue of sydney powell and what are we calling now, chesbrough outing theirle like me who don't understand how these things work all that well, are they going to have the entire case as they have these two people starting on october 23rd, the same case we will see against the other defendants and donald trump? >> that is what fani willis and her team have said. they have said in open court, they have 150 witnesses, it will take four months to try, and it will be the same case for the prosecution, regardless of how many defendants there are. of course on the defense side, that is different. right? can -- >> they just want their case. >> they want their case, and they want to display responsibility for the other aspects of the r.i.c.o. charges, and say it is over broad, and brings them into a conspiracy with people that they never knew, never could see, never knew about. so i think they are going to want to keep the focus on the allegations specifically against them. you are right to, say there are 52 people on this list. does one person need 52 witnesses? my g

sydney powell who was charged in the case, formally asked a judge today to separate her and ken chesbrough 's case from the other 17 codefendants. right now they are also on trial in on october 23rd. with that let's bring in our lead off panel, the co-anchor of pbs news hour and msnbc contributor. greg bluestein is here, a reporter for the atlanta general constitution and an msnbc political contributor. and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney, charles coleman. charles, are in an msnbc contributor? >> i am. >> there we go, everybody is here. i'm going to start with you charles. what stands out to you about the judge's ruling on mark meadows request? >> simone, for anyone who is paying attention, this should not have come as a surprise. you cannot be the chief of staff to the united states of america and simply of the executive branch and make calls about a state election and then tried to say that you are acting in your official capacity. the argument itself did not hold water and the judge got right to that and made it very, very clear for mark meadows that his argument wa

chesbrough and sidney powell succeeded in getting their cases cleaned off, severed from the main bunchhere is that he was acting as an attorney when he wrote these memos about fake electors. tell me about that. can specially. that he wrote memos about things that were illegal to do and where the underpinning of the effort to overturn the election. but he says i was just being a lawyer. >> so they filed a motion today, it was a motion to suppress those memos, and not have them go before the jury. so the argument that is in play is what is referred to as the crime fraud exception in attorney-client privilege. everyone who has an attorney, they have that privilege. they have that privilege that they can turn their attorneys anything. we want people to be honest with their attorneys. however, there's an exception that -- we have a crime being planned between attorney and the client. which is referred to as the crime fraud exception. which all the information that was once confidential is now open and can be pursued. >> what's the line, if on your attorney, and i come to you, what is the li

filed a motion to adopt co-defended giuliani's preliminary motion to quash and motion to adopt chesbrough's gym or to count one along with a motion to adopt codefendant chesbrough's motion to dismiss the indictment, and a motion to adopt codefendant ray smith's motion to quash the indictment. donald trump's lawyers have indicated they might eventually file a motion to move his case to federal court, but by the time they do, it is possible that the federal appeals court will already have rules on mark meadows's attempt to move the case to federal court. and so donald trump might not be able to create as much delay as he might have hoped, with emotions like this. today, fulton county sheriff labonte explained to nbc's blayne alexander why it was important for donald trump to be processed the same way everyone else arrested in fulton county is processed. >> for me, it was understanding that again, we have a community, of black and brown people that we have 3600 detainees. 85 to 90% looked like you and i. and they don't have that choice. we don't give them that choice. and they aren't simply ac

ken chesbrough and sidney powell are going to trial on october 23rd because of their motion. all of this removal stuff has to be fully decided by the federal court of appeals, and, indeed the u.s. supreme court, in the next couple weeks. this shouldn't be a couple of days or weeks not months, there's nothing to these appeals. they are simple and easy to resolve. it should be done quickly. but trump's entire motion has always been delay, delay, delay. we are far too late in the game for further delay. >> that was sort of exactly my next question, professor. judge mcafee, who is the judge in fani willis's case, has expressed concern that this whole appeal about getting this case thrown out of state court and put into federal court could complicate the speedy trial that is going to happen for kenneth chesebro and sidney powell. i would assume that fani willis is going to try to get that resolved asap, given the concerns that have already been expressed by the judge. what is your opinion on that? >> i think the case against chesebro and powell will go forward on october 23rd. i d

so right now, the two of them, powell and chesbrough, are supposed to start on october 23rd.on't think anybody else will at that point, but we'll see. you think it will start on the 23rd? think there's a continuous what do you what do you think? well maybe a continuance because now that the bluff has been called and i think that once their lawyers see how much data there is, they may say no thanks, or maybe we're going to see a plea because, you know, just because there are 19 indictments doesn't mean we're going to have 19 trials. in fact, on that champagne bet. i tell you now, there will not be 19 trials. gotcha and so the two of them, you never know. there might be a plea. all right. so and some of the lower people, you can bet there'll be a plea. so we will see. we will see. but chance is pretty good. pretty good. we'll start a trial and i'll be back for sure. you bet. professor david levine, thank you so much, man. yeah. all right. all right. pleasure. sounds good. all right. still to come here on mornings on two south bay, summer staple closing for good. how people are

let's not forget that we already saw the motion from ken chesbrough's attorneys to try to sever his case, from us in the polls, and also from the other 18 defendants. it doesn't look like that was successful, that is also an indication of how things will move going ahead. but, there is an ambitious timeline there. the a fani willis wants to begin to go to trial at the end of october. we are talking about 45 days or so for all of these cases to come together, all of the motions to be considered and i think that there is a big question as to how that is going to happen. >> so, greg, we have a lot of conversation now about federal court versus state court but, even if mark meadows was successful in his quest to move to federal court, fani willis and her team still would have tried the case. so, what exactly is the advantage of federal court or do you think, as charles noted, that this is just a delay tactic? >> well, it is a delay tactic but if it is removed to federal court, there is a federal judge, there is no cameras likely in the courtroom because in federal court in georgia and elsewh

jen, how much advantage will the former presidents codefendants have by watching the powell and chesbrough could be an advantage, but at the end of the day, the judge had to do this. there are significant due process concerns with making those that have these types of allegations against them go forward and a trial when they are not ready. i can't even remember the number of terabytes with respect to the discovery that's been turned over, so the judge understood that really, if chesbrough and pow want to do the speedy trial, that is fine, but he cannot force the others to do so. in fact, if he did that, he would probably be injecting air into the trial. >> how difficult is it, karen, for powell and chance burrow to actually put on a defense so quickly? >> the facts are what they are and, yes, it's quickly putting on a defense but it's not like the crime just happened, right? they've had a couple of years now to think about this. there have been lots of motion practice from january six hearings. it is quickly in terms of what the indictment was brought, but i do think that the facts are wha

an order to protect the identities of jurors in the upcoming trial of trump codefendants can't chesbroughfulton county, where jury selection is scheduled to start in just 28 days. joining us now is amy lee, a criminal defense attorney and -- barbara mcquade is with us, former u.s. attorney, and professor at the university of michigan have lost school. former district attorney. gwen, let me begin with you as a neighboring district attorney there. will this protective order work in this case to hide the identities of jurors? >> i certainly hope so. there is no reason to think it wouldn't. i'm very glad to see that the judge has taken this step to ensure that the jurors are going to be protected. we've seen some horrible, horrible threats and things done to the grand jurors, and so this is just one way to ensure that the panel as they are selected, panel in fulton county residents oster selected will receive the greatest level of protection possible. >> we know that the first group that will be asked to come in is the 900 of them in the first group. they now know, or will know, that their id

not a surprise to me this is turn into a last man standing, and you are seeing them already with chesbroughrying to sever themselves around both of them having speedy trial, motions both of them wanting to be separated, you are going to see -- it is extremely unlikely that officers will be able to keep all 19 and -- >> so, okay, charles, we between a speedy trial requests, and several people asking their cases to be severed from the other 19. why shouldn't i feel like the wheels are going to come off this bus, and that the a willis will not be able to get the justice that everyone is hoping will happen in this case? >> well the biggest reason you should not feel that way, is because fani willis is an extremely experienced prosecutor who knows her way around all the cases. and, almost any other office across -- she is a very clear about what it takes to try the regional case, and has -- she has seen this, and i imagine she is probably -- legal maneuvers and advance i do expect that a number of different moves, including what we can expect, the best teams for all of these. it is not necessari

enough time to prepare for the trial by october 23rd, which is the scheduled trial date for candace chesbrough, claiming forcing the date would, quote, violate president trump's federal and state constitutional rights to a fair trial and due process of law. now, we are also learning tonight that the judge will allow this case to be live streamed and televised everyone, although that wouldn't apply to any portions of the case if it were moved to a federal court. we've got more to come on all of this assailants begin with our breaking news. a man hunt going on right now for that extremely dangerous escaped inmate in pennsylvania. joining me now is cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. john, a man hunt, this is someone is convicted of stabbing someone 38 times in front of two young children, sentenced to life without parole just last week. the question, of course, is what are you learning? how did this even happen? >> well, we don't know how it happened and we are waiting to hear a word from the chester county prison where he escaped. we have been told that they are inv

chesbrough, who wants to go on october. however, they don't want to go together, i doubt that will happen. you don't really get to choose exactly who your codefendants are. but exactly how the state will say they want to try the case, and how the judge will carve it up, at the state level, is still very much an open question. and we'll probably get some idea tomorrow, that the judge may not rule on that. so, it's a little bit of three dhs, we have to see how the state judges general in this, and then we have to wait what can happen with the removal petition. because some part of the case, or a huge part of the case, may go federal. so, lots to be waiting for in terms of how this gets tried. >> even if it does go federal, or some of it goes federal, what district ernie willis says tomorrow about the way she would organize a divided prosecution will tell us a certain amount about how it might work on the federal version of the trial to. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for helping start off our discussion tonight. neil k

but here, where the defendants seem to at least so far -- chesbrough has expressed a preference not be with other defendants. that might not even merit a hearing. donald trump has filed a motion for severance. his is a question of timing. it's saying that chesebro is moving too quickly for him. those sorts of petitions, presumably more defendants will file that as well because they all want to go to trial in october, those could be decided on the moving papers. it will be largely up to the judge. >> so we're going to be back for more with joyce in just a minute. first, we want to cover some of that sad news that was breaking overnight about an american music legend, according to his official website, singer songwriter, jimmy buffett, has died. mmy buffett, has died ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the musician, known for his iconic song, that you're hearing right, now margaritaville, had a career that spanned more than 50 years. other big hits included calm sunday and cheeseburger paradise. have it spent many years on the road during his devoted fans were affectionately called parrot heads. a statement posted

so, on august 23, kenneth chesbrough filed his debate for a speedy trial. the next day, former president trump fired his regular lawyer and hired stephen, almost certainly knowing that kenneth chesebro was going to be the trial before the end of october. if he also knew his brand new lawyer could not go to trial in september and october, this frankly could be a ploy. he could've switched lawyers just to try employee and go to trial with kenneth chesebro at the end of october. i think it's a real big possibility. >> that's a good question, i mean he just hired - him last thursday and it was the first time they met i was trevian c. kutti told. clark, there was also the surreal moments here in georgia where governor brian kemp was rejecting calls by some pro-trump state legislatures who want to have a special session where they can investigate the district attorney fani willis without governors help because he cannot significantly -- you believe it's all more unlikely that trump will be able to the real the prosecution in a way that they were clearly seeking t

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you'll probably see them as witnesses called by d a fani willis, charging them early as they kind of chesbrough in sydney powell trial, which is due to set off in october 23rd. up to get through that hurdle, jury selections, the state approving the element of exclusion, and without reasonable doubt, guilt -- -- 150 witnesses in this case, and you will see people like lindsey graham, et cetera, probably calling to testify [inaudible] >> yeah. it's interesting because, as you say, these folks are not attorneys, they don't know the law. but clearly they are thinking something is rotten ended, mark something is wrong with what these people were doing. but you mentioned lindsey graham, usually, how is the senator responding to this news that the grand jury recommended charging him? >> we follow that, katie, when you talk about the political landscape of this, senator graham is saying now what he said back in november of 2020 when we asked him about these calls that he made two state officials including brad raffensperger who is on the record saying that the senator told him to essentially find diffe

. >> it's that mystery with chesbrough, you know, heat used to beat donald -- are a at harvard. and you've changed politics but you wouldn't think what he's arguing here. and this is the second crazy motion he's filed. it is that he's justified under criminal law, under a principle this is if there's a greater good like self-defense you can do it. or the case that he has in this paper, a man who is charged with driving without a license is taking his wife whose life or to the hospital that greater good. what could the greater good hair? b i guess you have to kill the constitution in order to save it. but he doesn't even make any attempt to align this principle that has nothing to do, basically, with his case, with the motion to dismiss. it is really out there. and to answer your question, no, i think it is absolutely doa. >> carol, no special treatment. that was the message from the sheriff down in georgia, talking about the decision to take donald trump's mugshot. what's your take on his rationale? >> i thought it was pretty interesting for him to emphasize what's going on with

how the speedy racketeering trials for trump acolytes sydney powell and kenneth chesbrough in georgia could set the stage for what could come for trump and the other codefendants. and later, tackling the top job. the first black woman to lead nfl team. sandra douglas morgan, the president of the las vegas raiders, joined us live later to talk about her journey from the courtroom to the football field. all of that and more is coming up. and a good saturday morning to you all, i am katie phang. we begin today with a showdown over a looming government shutdown. no, it is not groundhog day, but at this all sounds familiar, it should. lawmakers should have only two weeks left to pass a spending bill and tensions are high. those backroom deals that republican house speaker kevin mccarthy made to the far-right faction of his party to win the speakership, they are coming back to haunt him. members of his own party attempting to hold all americans hostage by vowing to let the government run out of money and threatening to oust him if illicit mans is not math. in the contentious closed-door mee

chesbrough it is necessary for other defendant in this case. >> fulton county superior court judge, scott mcafee, in court wednesday, giving the first glimpse into how he plans to handle the sweeping election subversion case in georgia. all in front of cameras allowed in the courtroom. mcafee, ruling wednesday, but defendant kenneth chesebro and sidney powell, who both filed for a speedy trial, cannot be separated and will stand trial together in a matter of weeks. >> obviously we are a little disappointed. we filed a motion and it was denied, however, we respect the courts ruling. >> now, the issue before the court will be whether it is realistic that all 19 defendants, including former president donald trump, be tried together. >> to say that all 19 defendant should be tried together, including ones that do not want to avail themselves of the speedy trial demand is really just nonsensical. >> fulton county district attorney, fani willis, has said from the beginning that she wants to do just that. >> do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. >> but the judge

the hearing also dealt with two of trump's codefendants, kenneth chesbrough, yes we've been calling cheesew for the last few weeks. well guess what, today we learned that it was chesebro, and sidney powell. they have both ask for speedy trials and they both want to be tried separately. in court, their separate attorneys try to convince the judge to sever their cases. >> why should mr. chesebro have to deal with a jury who's going to sit there for weeks, if not months, and listen to all this evidence related to coffee county and miss powell. he's never been there. he's never met miss powell. these never emailed, texted, or called her. he's never spoken with her directly or indirectly. >> all of my efforts is going to get washed away in days or weeks of testimony, perhaps, about the constitution and whether or not or under what circumstances alternative electors can be put in place and whether the legal opinions of mr. chesebro and others have any sort of legal validity. all of that is to be prejudicial to my client. >> but the lawyers for the district attorney's office, they weren't buying

in reserve, depending on how the evidence goes in and what, if any, arguments i'm sorry, mister chesbrough you know, for now, i guess we can take mr. wood at his word he isn't cooperating. we will see. but again, not unusual for the government to issue any number of subpoenas for witnesses for trial and then to call on a small number of those as the case proceeds. >> before i let you go, chuck, you are wrote a really brilliant piece of the appointment of special councils by the department of justice. we saw attorney general merrick garland -- house this week. as they saw, accountability as republicans in the house of this as accountability as to what the department of justice is actually doing when it comes to the appointment of special counsel, especially david weiss. they spent a lot of time talking about the investigation with regards to indictment of hunter biden. you write in your piece, quote unquote, two of the three, bert hur and david weiss, were originally pointed at u.s. attorneys by former president donald trump. we'll have since been appointed as special counsel's by garland.

and another fulton county news, former trump lawyer kevin chesbrough, one of 19 defendants who -- to dismiss the r.i.c.o. charges against him. the motion follows a wednesday court reading that -- extra mppoa lawyer, sydney powell's mission, for separate trials. tasman and powell are said to go to trial to gather on october 23rd which is another major win for georgia prosecutors. but, at that hearing which we were able to watch unfold live on camera for the first time, the judge said he remained, quote, very skeptical, very single trial for all 19 defendants would even be feasible, especially considering that some defendants like chesebro and powell have invoked the right to a speedy trial while others have not. capping off a week packed with pretrial developments, we finally got our hands on a long awaited report from the georgia special grand jury that essentially tasked with investigating the effort last. here i'll tell you what the major top line. was recommendations for the indictment of more than three dozen people, including 21 who were not charged by d.a. fani willis. among th

it wasn't 150 plus mentioned by the state in the chesbrough hearing a couple of days ago as well.of the case that fani willis has? the strength of her case? >> what it says is that it is really exhausted it, appears. their efforts to find as many witnesses as they could on as many subjects that they could kind of shore of the case as much as they could. it is a large number of people. it suggests particularly comprehensive and aggressive investigations. of course, how it all plays out, it remains to be seen. it does appear that they have done a lot of resources to this time and energy. the thing i take away from the list of other people that have been indicted, they were not scattershot about this. she and her colleagues exercised discretion in determining who they would see charges against, and who they would not. they didn't take the grand jury's recommendations and rubberstamp them. >> thank you so much, sir, we appreciate it. when it comes to this georgia case, the republicans in congress are continuing to insert themselves from washington, d.c., as jim jordan proceeds with pl

but he will no doubt play a big role, both in sydney powell, and chesbrough's defense.f, it does start, if it doesn't turn october 23rd, we will see. that trial will be broadcast, what kind of impact do you think this could have on trump? >> i think it's a very similar to the impact that we witness from the january six committee, aired all their hearings. it creates a level of transparency for the american people, so that they can be part of the proceedings, and see for themselves. and -- as i say earlier, in a moment where americans don't trust institutions, they think that the cards might be stacked against the president in this. case it allows them to see what exactly he is on trial for, and a very clear way. and, it's also vindication, i think for a lot of folks that have been saying for a long time, that there is a reason why trump is going to court. it also gives us an opportunity to, again, demonstrate that even in a democracy, as ours, we are so many people are constantly questioning whether we are strong or not, worldwide. it demonstrates that even someone with

we whether or not he will continue to be the attorney for chesbrough knowing that he once representediously, about lin wood as well. so with status as a witness was disclosed in this filing, outlining possible conflict of interest for lawyers who have clients in the current case, as you just mentioned. we learned in this filing, harry mcdougal, for -- worked with powell and wood in one of the election cases and was woods co-counsel in another. jordan reuben putting it this way. a simpler way to look at it it is that prosecutors don't want to rack up a bunch ofnvictions m messed up on appeal because of any conflict issues raised after the fact. as you just mentioned, and some of what i just laid out as well, how much of a problem is this going to be for prosecutors? >> tonight's nfl sunday. it's a very big flag on the plate. you are right, the prosecutors don't want to get those -- they want to make sure everything is on the up and up for the trial, but we are also going to see a lot of stock pulled out on the other side from the clips. -- they will several motions, they will do what t

that includes one of the key defendants, ken chesbrough, the architect of the fake electors came.ting for his arraignment appearance. rudy giuliani, also pleaded not guilty. he's also going to forego his formal arraignment. with that, let's laid off our panel. the co-anchor of pbs news hour and msnbc contributor, former clint lots is that a -- counterterrorism division. and msnbc national security analyst with me as new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman. welcome to all three of you. good to see you. charles, let me start with you. just make a little bit of sense of the various things that are going on in these georgia courtrooms. mark meadows, try to get his taste separate in federal court. a couple of other people trying to do that, saying that they're working in their capacity is federal officials. others that are trying to get their case separated from everyone else, including donald trump. what is the significance of the scenes in the chance of them happening? >> first of all, in no way am i surprised around these individuals trying to throw each other