the only one that would sit down with us was chevron phillips.ustainability. you've seen california, the legislation... >> yeah, yeah. >> sullivan: some bans across the country, and a lot of targets on single-use plastic. >> uh-huh, yeah, our view is, you have to be very careful with that, 'cause sometimes the substitute products can have a bigger environmental impact than the thing you are banning. >> sullivan: right. >> so, we don't think banning these products is necessarily the, the right way to go. >> sullivan: what does chevron phillips want to see happen? >> we support, actually, the c.c. goals-- american chemistry council. >> sullivan: yeah. >> goals of getting plastic waste out of landfills by, i think, the date is 2040. >> sullivan: chevron phillips would like to see all of that plastic recycled back to make new plastic things? >> yeah. >> sullivan: how, how do you get it to a place where 100% of this plastic getting recycled? how do you get there? >> much more education needs to happ... >> sullivan: yeah. >> ...on how to recycle. you a