sometimes it was, you know, happy, bubbly chiara, and sometimes it was sad chiara. there were days when she just couldn't get out of bed in the morning. she wasn't reliable. and this happened over a period of time. it wasn't as though all of a sudden she was a different person. but she was. she really was. >> did she cry when she told you this? >> yes. >> and you? >> yes. >> a lot of tears shed. >> a lot of tears shed. >> that's got to be painful for a mother to see your child hurting. >> i don't know what could be more painful. it's -- you know, i just wanted to help her. i just wanted to -- i wanted to hug her and make it all go away, but that wasn't possible. so, you know, i did what any mother would do, and i reached out to people and tried to find the right kind of treatment for her. and i was lucky. i was fortunate. we found the right place, and she received treatment, and now she's kicking butt at recovery. it is a journey. it's not something that's done in six weeks or six months, for that matter. but i'm so proud of her because, you know, she was 18 years o

chiara montaldo? front of i think what we are facing now, people dying, people without alternatives, i think this discussion to send them back to them our borders -- send back, to block our borders, for me, we should not discuss about this, we should discuss about people who are trying now to save their lives, how can we still be asking ourselves, should we block them or should not? to can we still be here think about how to protect ourselves? tohink all of our discussion protect ourselves, but for me and from a organization, the priority is not to protect ourselves, not to protect our borders, but to help people who are dying. and they will continue to die if we don't do anything. -- our borders are the cause of many of these deaths. amy: the issue of what people should be called, aside from simply human beings and people, migrants, refugees. what do they prefer? andy you think they should be great to political asylum? >> what i think and what we think is we prefer to call always the people "people"