the chicago skyway. where did that money go? back into the road? no, went into the general fund. indiana, toll road. great success? i don't know. ask the people in indiana who use the money now. where did that money go? into the toll road? no. went into other transportation projects in the state. in indiana, tolls are going through the roof. you ask the users out there and it is a different story. maybe it goes back to the issue that if the money is dedicated into the infrastructure, that works. if it is bled off for other purposes, good government purposes, that is another story. user financed, user paid system. >> i wrote about this earlier this year for "national journal." one of the things i believe is from your staff that we were talking about that the real problem in public/private partnerships can be that you have big investors dealing in with local governments and they are very sophisticated. what mr. mica is trying to do on his staff is coming up with ways to equalize that balance a little bit and the other point i would make is the only -- only 24 states and the distric

i mean, in chicago, the chicago skyway, right? where did that money go? backed into roads? no, into the general fund. ask the people in indiana. we use a toll road right now. where did that money go? into the toll road? no. meanwhile, investors have changed over. the tolls are going through the roof. if you ask the users out there, it is a different story. this may be goes back to the issue that the money is put into the infrastructure, it works. do not get me wrong. good government purposes, that is a whole different story. that reflects our perspective of user-financed, user-pay systems. >> i wrote for "national journal," and i believe it was from your staff, but i believe we were talking about the real problem in these partnerships is that you have a very big investors coming in and dealing with local governments, who are not very sophisticated. i think one of the things that he is trying to do on his staff is come up with a way they can equalize this a little bit, and the only other thing i would make as a point, i was provided with a statistic, which is that only 24 st

in chicago, the chicago skyway, right, private public partnership leasing the skyway.hat money go, back in the road? no, it went to the general fund. indiana, toll road, great success? i don't know. ask the people in indiana who use the toll road right now. where did it go, to the toll road? no but other transportation projects in the state. meanwhile investigators have changed over, tolls are going through the roof. you ask the users out there and it's a different story. maybe it goes back to the issue that if the money is dedicated into the infrastructure, that works. if it's bled off for other good purposes, don't get me wrong, good government purposes, that's a whole other story because i think it reflects our perspective of user finance, user paid system. >> i wrote about this earlier this year for "national journal" and one of the things i believe is actually from your staff we were talking about is that the real problem in public private partnerships you have very big investors who are sophisticated in dealing with local governments who are not sophisticated. i

would it go to chicago, the chicago skyway where did that money go. back into the road?indiana, toll road, great success. ask the people in indiana. where did that money go? it went into other transportation projects. the investors have changed over in indiana, tolls are going to the roof, and if you ask users, it is a different story. if the money is dedicated, it works. if it bleeds off to other purposes, that is another story, because it reflects our perspective of user financed, user-pay systems. >> i wrote about this earlier and one of the things i believed that was from your staff that we were talking about the problem in public-private partnerships is you have very big investors who are dealing with local governments who are not sophisticated. when of the things that chairman is trying to do on his that is come up with ways that the government can help equalize that balance. the only other point i would make and this is coming from afta, the only -- there are only 24 states accused these partnerships, and 65% of those charges occurred only in eight states. it work