john: the last speaker is head of the chicago teachers union. very powerful and chicago. >> very powerful, they have over 20,000 active members and thousands of additional retirees and many of them were in the pre-things on to bury 24th. in the first round of voting. thousands are going to be working on april 7. >> most of those kids went to better schools. >> 93% at the university of chicago. a research group followed up on the skids and 93% ended up at schools that were at least a little bit better than the schools that were closed. john: so he did the right thing and he gets punished for because the unit is just self-interested and mean? >> here's the telling thing is that garcia has been asked a number of times about whether he would reopen any of those schools and most recently he implied earlier that he might reopen some of but then he said no, i'm not going to do that. john: does he have any plan to solve the pension crisis? >> he says that he's going to get the best minds from all over the world and he will get back to us with a plan aft

amy: speaking of education, we interviewed karen lewis president of the chicago teachers union, and shed us about a private meeting she had with mayor rahm emanuel back in 2012, we're this discussion. the meeting was about the city's plan to shut down seven schools and fire all of the teachers at ten other schools. >> when i first met him, we had dinner together and he said, well 25% of these kids are never going to be anything, never going to amount to anything, and i'm not throwing money at it. i was like, wow, even if you believe that, you can't say that to me. so i just watch how he has used black and brown and portillo and as props to push an agenda -- poor kids as props to push an agenda that is all about so-called accountability, but it is really the status quo. once schools get put on probation here in chicago, the chicago public schools takes over, takes over the democratically controlled local school councils, takes that power away from them to hire and fire and evaluate sensible's and -- principles and spend discretionary fund. we see this culture of punishment and culture of

new york, chicago, philly where teachers unions are complaining that it is harder and harder to discipline young people. >> is this a spillover effect? >> what do you mean? >> if it is harder for the teachers to discipline the kids in the school they go out in the street and start beating the heck out of each other. >> i think what we are seeing is more of it. to me i notice the racial components that jesse touched on. i wonder if it has a lot to do with family and lack of discipline of here is how you behave. specific i think when you talk about low income communities where there is lots of violence by the adults, one of the things that troubles me in my community is just walking around in washington, d.c. i grew up where that mcdonald's fight took place in brooklyn, new york. you see mothers cursing at little kids using foul language. you want to say why are you hitting that child? what is the child learning? the way you resolve anything is use violence. to me it is like the parent -- we are pointing at the kids when i think the parents are the ones setting a bad model. >> sometimes it's

. >>> a union lobbiest is suing the state of illinois for an additional $36,000 a year pension because he was a substitute teacher for one day. the chicago reports already collects $31,000 a year from the teacher's retirement system for his work with the union but found a loop hole working as a substitute for a day so he would qualify for more than double that amount. when his scheme was exposed the state took measures to close the loop hole. now he is suing arguing he is grandfathered in. it's worth notice on top of those pensions he also earns another $30,000 a year from the state. >>> a spry 104-year-old woman says she has a doctor to thank for her longevity, dr. pepper. elizabeth sullivan says she was turned on to the drink four decades ago. she drinks three dr. peppers a day. she says real doctors tell her all that soda will kill her, but, quote, they die and i don't so there must be a mistake somewhere. happy birthday elizabeth and cheers. >>> another guantanamo prisoner with suspected ties to osama bin laden who was thought to be a lifer is now apparently on his way out. chief intelligence correspondent here with that story. >> re

chicago. so talk to me about the schools in particular. you're being backed by the teachers union. a real crisis going on in the chicago public schools. >> first of all, we have to stabilize the finances of the schools and that's been a terrible job that this mayor has performed. we begin where the revenues need to stop going to privatization to politically connected contractors to billionaires and millionaire who is are friends of the mayor who provide him with large campaign contributions. that's a central issue in this campaign. the other is ensuring that schools everywhere in chicago not just certain parts have educational equity. that means good teachers, computers, books, support staff in those schools especially in the poorest parts of the city to ensure that students are learning. we have to get away from so much standardized tests because we're overtesting and undereducating children in chicago. it is about equity. it's also about bridgeing the divide between the very prosperous business district and the neighborhoods that have been left behind. inequality has multiplied un