informed i really care for children with a c e s the public health public education approach is right together with more police officers but wasn't a former metropolitan police commissioner correct this morning when he said that ultimately our young people need to know that they're better off not being in possession of a knife than having that knife and therefore isn't it also time for us to have clearer mandatory sentencing for those caught in possession of a knife without just cause we must all acknowledge that this is an issue that transcends party lines particles can be divisive but if there was ever an issue to unite our efforts and inspire us to stand together then surely this is it. so there is now a growing consensus that this new approach modeled on the scottish experience is the way to move forward but will this make the difference that many hoped for alex turned to kenny macaskill scottish justice secretary from two thousand and seven to two thousand and fourteen who presided over the has started decline in one in scotland. kenny macaskill welcome to the exile issue. as the knife crime crisis has escalated in london and elsewhere than in england there's been a