china relations. again this live forum being cohosted by the brookings's china center and australia national university. it should get underway momentarily. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning. the mic is working. it's monday after thanksgiving so we're a little slow in getting started this morning. thank you for your patience. i'm ted. i'm a senior and deputy director here at the brookings institution. welcome. on behalf of the foreign policy program here to brookings. this morning's event is part of a series of joint research and periodic updates on developments in china. sponsored by the australian national university, the chinese academy of social sciences, and the john l. thornton china center here at brookings. it is particularly timely in light of the high level presidential level diplomacy taking place these days involving all three countries. the abc countries we call them. president obama has recently returned from his first state visit to china. the prime min

china is being very aggressive about it. they are now leading the world in transmissions over long distances. >> do you sense that they will commit to some sort of carbon reduction? >> i do know. i would hope yes. if you look at what they do internally when they say they have it -- right now, their current five-year plan is to increase and better energy intensity. their use of energy by 20%. that is for this five-year plan. another begins on an aggressive schedule, but now they are talking about the following five-year plan, saying it will be a carbon emissions to gdp clock. why is that significant? they're pushing heavily on hydro, wind, renewable, and on solar. if you take what they are already saying about where they want to go, you're looking perhaps it 24%. five % is an important number, because if it compounds annually, that means a 27% increase for gdp. in the next couple of decades, china's growth is going to start to taper off. they will be easing into a developing economy, maturing. he did not expect china's growth

china is being very aggressive about it. they are now leading the world in high voltage electricity transmission over long distances. >> do you sense that china will commit to some sort of carbon reductions? >> i don't know but i would hope yes. if you look at what they're doing internally. right now their current five-year plan is to increase -- better their energy intensity so as their g.d.p. grows their use of energy will be decreasing by 20%. that's this five-year plan. another five-year plan, again a very aggressive schedule, but now they're talking for the following five-year plan as saying it will be a carbon emission to g.d.p. now, why is that significant in because they're pushing very heavily on hide ro, renewable, like wind and solar and nuclear. if you just take what they're already saying about where they want to go on noncarbon sources of energy plus energy efficiency, you're looking at perhaps 24% decrease in the amount of carbon emissions per g.d.p. there was a committee that recommended somewhere between 4%

, china announced recently in some academic articles china but like to have public-private partnerships where the exchange their debt for equity. in other words for these trillions of dollars of debt china might see why don't we manage a few ports in the united states? weigel we manage a few highways? my suggestion is maybe we should sell california to china. it is in debt. california. the last third of this book i'm focusing on what we can do as americans to fight back to say no to a global deal which is a massive transfer of wealth not only within the united states but from the united states to the third world organize and manipulated and i show in the book through treaties proposed like the cat and trade u.n. deal that will be discussed copenhagen as a global summit. a cat and a trade for the u.n. to have the. all i advise the people began in their own lives, in other words just as in the depression people had to be sure they had a primary residential real-estate even if it meant consolidating the family. bring back into the home parents who are aging rather than going to a nursing h

china's harvest--a hours. it is because they irrigate most whereas we irrigate very little of our week. with price, china and india totally dominate the world rice harvest. what happens to the glaciers in the himalayas will have the most massive affect on future -- we have never had projected threat to food security on this scale before. to many americans thinking about the melting glaciers on the tibetan plateau, that is china's problem. it is china's problem but it is also our problem because if china comes into the world market for massive quantities of grain as it has done over the last decade or massive quantities of soybeans, it will come to the united states because we are far and away the world's largest grain exporter. for american consumers, this is a nightmare scenario because we are looking at the prospect of competing with 1.3 billion chinese with rapidly rising incomes for our grain. historical the, when we face a situation like that and food prices were rising out of control we restrict exports

and is there a national policy on transportation in china that you think the u.s. two perhaps draw from? >> china actually adopted fuel economy standards a couple of years ago and are more stringent than america's, which tells you something, because we have our fuel economy standards from the first oil cries and they sat at a very low level, sat 27-and-a-half miles per gallon for cars and 20 miles for trucks and they've just been raised after the price of oil spiked and already china is jumping in with its feet first and the reason, interestingly, china and i think india will both jump in ahead of america, on this is they don't have oil indigenous oil, either, like us they have a lot of coal and not oil and here you have the u.s., china, and india, the three, largest transportation oil consumer, us, and the two growing oil consumers, china and india, and they have some oil but don't have the oil that is going to really fuel the fleets they are imagining they'll have and that will create either tremendous political turmoil, on the downside or the upside, tremendous

and china be adversaries. he used the opportunity to address the issue of human rights. including how the freedom of speech and information can make a country and a leader stronger. >> in the united states information is free. and i have a lot of critics in the united states who can say all kinds of things about me. i actually think that makes our democracy stronger, and it makes me a better leader. it forces me to hear opinions that i don't want to hear. it forces me to examine what i'm doing on a day-to-basis to see am i really doing the very best that i could be doing for the people of the united states. >> president obama and president hu jintao will meet again tomorrow. >>> a legal battle is heating up between the pentagon and aclu. photos that this appear to show americans abusing foreign detainees. >>> a cleric told the "washington post" he did not order or pressure major nidal hasan to hurt americans. he said he could tell he was becoming uncomfortable in the u.s. military. hasan's killing spree is all

i cannot put a probability on it, but you race to china, as well. to me, china and the u.s. faced the old prayer of "lord, make me virtuous, but not yet." a change done gradually but is not yet part. this could still all and well, but the u.s. needs to gradually start to increase savings. china actually needs to go the other way. they actually need to strengthen safety nets, that is to reduce their savings. these styles are turned gradually enough, the plane can land with the casualties. >> ok, one or two more questions, and then we will open it up to you guys, but let's start with you, richard, on this. between 1945 and 1989, the united states went through what has been called the long war, the cold war. the cold war against the soviet union. the cold war. the cold war against the soviet union. are we got a similar time, but the time of some form of conflict -- are we not in a similar time? the time of some form of conflict? how do we have bill ourselves domestically? ? there is some sort of a conflict or struggle with terrorism that is done in the name of islam. i'm not pa

china needs to go the other way. they need to strengthen safety nets to reduce their savings. >> one or two more questions and we will open it up to you guys. between 1945 and 1989, the united states went through what is called the long war. the cold war. the cold war against the soviet union. are we got a similar time, but the time of some form of conflict -- are we not in a similar time? the time of some form of conflict? how do we have bill ourselves domestically? ? there is some sort of a conflict or struggle with terrorism that is done in the name of islam. i'm not particularly wild about the metaphor that suggests that military instruments, soldiers, battlefields -- none of those things seem to be right. one is for people that have made a career choice to be terrorists. we have got to stop them. the best analogy i am able to think of is disease. attack it where you can. you've got to build recovery mechanisms. we're likely to see another -- that is part of what we have to do. we have to go after terrorists in t

it happened to president obama in china. find out about his reunion with his half brother in beijing. >>> yesterday the president was in china where he met with the premier of that country. the white house says china's president accepted an invitation to visit the u.s. next year. president obama also took time yesterday to walk along a section of china's great wall calling that experience magical and in between the state dinners, closed door meetings and sightseeing, president obama had a rare reunion with his half brother in china. mark obama has been living in southern china for the past seven years. he made headlines recently because in his new book he claims their father physically abused him. he wouldn't say if that subject came up when they met briefly at the president's hotel. >> we just had a big hug. and my wife and he had a big, big hug. and it was just very powerful. very intense us today he's my big brother. >> president obama says he hasn't read his half brother's book but says it's no secret their father was tr

it is china's problem but it is also our problem because if china comes into the world market for massive quantities of grain as it has done over the last decade or massive quantities of soybeans, it will come to the united states because we are far and away the world's largest grain export. for american consumers, us, this is a nightmare scenario because we are looking at the prospect of competing with 1.3 billion chinese with rapidly rising incomes for our grain harvest. now, historically when we faced a situation like that in food prices were rising out of control, we restricted exports, as in the 1970's for example. the problem today is that china is our banker. every month, the treasury department auctions of treasury securities. this is how we cover our fiscal deficit. and one of the big buyers every month, some once the biggest buyer, is china. they now hold over a trillion dollars of u.s. treasury security, $8 trillion. that is 1 trillion. like it or not we are going to be sharing our grain harvest with the chinese. big time. the world is changing and changing so fast i don't thin

we should state that publicly and then engage china. china's actions to depreciate its currency along with the falling dollar is troubling and has the potential to disrupt global recovery. other countries will end up bearing the burden of china's action. how would you deal with this issue? >> i share your concerns with the way china is managing its exchange rate. i have looked carefully at the currency reports prepared by the treasury department and understand that these reports have found that china does not meet the standards set in the 1988 trade act to justify the label of currency manipulation. however, the reports have truly identified issues with china's management of the exchange rate. there are issues with the continued heavy intervention by the chinese authorities, the accumulation of reserves and resistance of up ward pressure on the exchange rate. i believe this is a major concern, particularly going forward. if the chinese maintain this policy, it will block the adjustment needed of the global economy, the adjustment that c

china -- i have a definition of ideology. on issues you take an extreme position and extremely resolve to hold them. the model was all ideology. china is no longer -- the chinese government is no longer idealogical. it is a petty dictatorship sustaining itself in power and it is very good at sustaining itself in power, so to the extent that there is an issue with china it is a purely internal issue, and that is that as more and more eletes rise in influence particularly in the coastal provinces the ability of the central government to sustain its control will become more difficult and they will have to choose either to liberalize and allow the is averse to have more say or crack down and choose to keep themselves in power at the expense of the economy and that could lead to an inclusion. i don't see this as happening in the near term and i suspect they will be good at managing transition without an implosion, but that is where i would see a real danger, purely internally in china, and not between india and china over the u.s.

and china, there are still things going around india saying china will play a major role in south asia. [inaudible] how can turn a place such a role when millions of people are under communist rule and they have no respect for any human beings over there were supporting him and around the globe? they're calling the time has come for the u.s. to support a major security council seat for india. >> to get to the first part of your question on india and china as a two rising powers, there are very important on the rise in global scene. china, as we have said, there are issues of concern that we have with the chinese and we have raised them. all levels of air action and hopefully china will move in the direction that we would like to see it go. it is an important nation. india and china, they're going to be countries that we deal very closely with in the coming years. i do not know what more to say about it. they are key. our relationships with both are growing. do we have concerns? yes. they both have concerns with us. it is why we need to work closely and have intensive dialogue with both

china needs to go the other way. they need to strengthen safety nets to reduce their savings. >> one or two more questions and we will open it up to you guys. between 1945 and 1989, the united states went through what is called the long war. the cold war. the cold war against the soviet union. are we got a similar time, but the time of some form of conflict -- are we not in a similar time? the time of some form of conflict? how do we have bill ourselves domestically? ? there is some sort of a conflict or struggle with terrorism that is done in the name of islam. i'm not particularly wild about the metaphor that suggests that military instruments, soldiers, battlefields -- none of those things seem to be right. one is for people that have made a career choice to be terrorists. we have got to stop them. the best analogy i am able to think of is disease. attack it where you can. you've got to build recovery mechanisms. we're likely to see another -- that is part of what we have to do. we have to go after terrorists in t

no, unless you think it is, let us look at the case of china. china 2030. a similar story.e of the main bases in china, the river, they all face gaps, again, if unconstrained out of 2030. now what is driving the was? well, in that case agriculture please an important role of course. but the growth in demand, the growth that then causes the gap to increase as industry and municipal use and in fact as you point out half of that was from industrial process for power generation. so the second question we ask ourselves, can we allow ourselves to continue in a business as usual and the answer looking at the historical improvements are simply no, we can't. let me tell you why. here we are looking at the walter gap described. it's going to be about 3,000 kilometers until 2013. and if the gap is widening and the speed is increasing. it has to do with a stable, and essentially stable supply. but at the same time exploding demand driven by economic and population growth, driven by changes in the increasing water intensity of the energy sector. we ask ourselves could it be that supply

he pushed for greater freedoms in china. >> i see china's future in you. young people whose talent and dedication and dreams will do so much to help shape the 21st century. i said many times that i believe that our world is now fundamentally interconnected. the jobs we do, the prosperity we build and the environment we protect and the security that we seek all of these things are shared. >> president obama will also visit china's great wall today. >>> the fbi used equipment like ground penetrating radar at that house in cleveland where 11 bodies were found. we could see more digging this week at anthony sowell's house and store. the search also has expanded four houses down. >> they found bones about this long. they come running in the house bringing them in the house with their bare hands talking about, look what we found. >> police aren't say figure they actually found anything. but anthony sowell's attorney hasn't commented about the murder charges. >>> a passenger plane hit a flock of birds right after takeoff this weekend. the frontier airlines jet hi

how do we get our development and finance skills boo china -- into china because clearly their manufacturing skills are going to lead to some product being shipped over here. specifically development and finance, your thoughts on that. >> look, i think we're seeing it all already. i mean, we see american development and finance teams over there and experts over there, and what i hear and i'm very interested in feedback from all of you on this, what i hear a lot from the financial community and others is that they can operate in part based upon the relationship the government is able to build. the government relationships at the senior level provide an umbrella that help them in their relationships in china, and that's what we're about, trying to cultivate those relationships for the benefit of american businesses over there. >> just in closing on that, some engineers, those of us who are engineers say 90% of solving a problem is defining it correctly, so i think we're beginning to define it and that leads to the solutions. firsthand up is john here. john mullen first, actually. >> sorry. >>

he is scheduled to meet with china's president hu jintao.shed for greater freedoms in china. >> we do not seek to impose any system of government on any other nation. but we also don't believe that the principals that we stand for are unique to our nation. these freedoms of expression and worship of access to information and political participation we believe are universal rights. they should be available to all people, including ethnic and religious minorities, whether they are in the united states, china or any nation. >> president obama will also visit china's great wall today. >>> so, a marquise matchup between two of nfl's biggest stars tom brady and peyton manning went right down to the wire, that's the way the fans like it. except for the heart attack thing. >> as you said earlier the call that this coach made that people will be talking about it at the water cooler. bill belichick. now, the fireworks went off and caught fire on the turf. this was the call that has people fuming. colts were up with two minutes left and they go for it

in china. he had a long conversation with the president. >> as the two largest consumers and producers of energy, there can be no solution of this challenge without the efforts of both china and the united states. and that's high we have growed to certain new initiatives in this area. we are creating a joint energy efficiency and renewable energy, cleaner uses of coal. electric vehicles an shale gas. >> china's crackdown on tibet and other issues have been a thorn in the united states -- >>> a storm with winds of 95 miles an hour and sustained winds of 55 miles an hour and higher are expected before the storm is over. these winds that have battered western washington state have eased up a little bit and floodwaters are easing up a little bit. the bad news by the way is the stormy weather may not be -- new guidance for you this morning that says women in their 40s do not need routine mammograms. that comes from a government task force of doctors and scientists. it contradicts the american cancer

no, and lest you think it is let us look at the case of china. china, 2030.main basins in china, all face gaps again different strains out of 2030. what is driving those? in that case agriculture plays the accordance, an important role of course but the growth in the demand, the growth is industry and municipal. at least half of that withdrawal from and social processes is for power, power generation. so the second question we ask ourselves, can we allow ourselves to continue in a business as usual. and the answer is looking at the historical improvements is simply no, we can't. let me tell you why. here we are looking at the water to that giulio has described it is going to be about 3000 kilometers cube in 2030 and the gap is widening and the speed of lightning is increasing. it has to do with essentially stable supply but at the same time driven by economic population growth, driven by changes in dietary and also in the increasing water intensity of the energy sector. we ask ourselves could it be that suppliers could be helping us to close the wage that we

. >> and china. we opposed their program. in the face of all this, they can emerge with a nuclear capability, as they seem to be doing, and if they can violate previous agreements with impunity and get new negotiations out of it, then the prospects are up -- a prospect of world order are limited. why should not other countries follow the same road? we have seen in syria, north koreans were building a plant on their own models. iran is more complicated because north korea does not directly threaten any other country with its capacity. potentially, it does, but iran is in the middle of the world in which it explicitly threaten israel. but also, the city-state's in the region are not likely -- the sunni states in the region are not likely to sit by. their traditional ideological enemy require -- acquires a nuclear arsenal. when you have the motivations of the middle east added to nuclear-weapons, restraint is an improbable result. if iran and north korea sustain their nuclear ambitions, it will prove fi

-china trade imbalance, rather than a source of great concern, is also something that gives china somethinginternational or early arrangements. we can keep in the game and want to with financing. what others to work with us with climate change, dealing with endemic diseases. we're trying to slow terrorist record and an act of terrorism. this is essential the goal of american foreign policy, to integrate others as they inevitably grow stronger, both in absolute terms and relative to us. for ourselves, there's a different goal. that is to make sure the united states stays strong enough so we can participate on the world tries to tackle these global problems and also to discourage anyone from thinking they have more to gain for overthrowing the system rather than working within it. we do not want anybody to be tempted to become what energy -- henry kissinger called a revolutionary power. that will not just happen. it will require us to get stronger, and that means, of other things, we need to take steps to get our economic house in order, to reduce our deficit, not to eliminate it overnight, b

president obama is on his way to china right now, the third stop of his tour in asia. earlier today he covered ground covering ground with a new negotiation agreement with russia. they're looking to replace the nuclear treaty that expires next month. president obama said things look good. >> in our first meeting when i traveled to moscow, we arrived at an understanding that it made sense for our two countries to begin reducing further our nuclear stockpiles. our negotiators made progress over the last several months. our goal continues to be to complete the negotiations and to be able to sign a deal before the end of the year. and i'm confident that if we work hard and with a sense of urgency about it, we should be able to get that done. >> president obama and the russian leader also talked about iran. president obama said time is running out for tehran to do something about its nuclear program. u.s. and russia will keep pushing iran and there are other options if that fails, but he didn't offer any details. >>> president barack obama couldn't bring home the olympics b

and afghanistan. -- china and pakistan.ose to afghanistan. guest: yes, it predates the afghan nation as an independent country. they're very close. that will not change. host: we appreciate your time. guest: thank you. host: the president has reportedly reached a decision on afghanistan. we will get to your phone calls and your reaction. we could hear a speech by the president next tuesday evening that would be followed by the president's national security team testifying on capitol hill next wednesday and thursday. "washington journal" continues in just a moment. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009] >> coming this thanksgiving on c-span, american icons, three nights of c-span original documentaries on the iconic homes of the three branches of american government. beginning thursday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern, the supreme court, home to america's highest court, reveals the building in an exquisite detail through the eyes of the supreme court justice

new this morning the president and china trying to bring the countries closer. he did some sightseeing after a closed door meeting with chinese president hu jintao. chinese leaders say they should not close the doors to trade and another big issue on the table. >> on the issue of nonproliferation, president hu and i discussed our shared commitment to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, and i told him how appreciative i am of china's support for the floebl nonproliferation regime as well as the verifiable elimination of north korea's nuclear weapons program. >> well, he also encouraged china to resume talks with the dalai lama's representatives. medical marijuana supporters came out in full force at a debate in l.a. last night. the city attorney wants to regulate and close hundreds of clinics. the issue determining if centers that make a profit are illegal. >> we cannot have a policy in the city of los angeles that bans the sale of all to patients whether you call those sales. it simply won't work. >> well, two city council xes voted to keep it open. >>> here is

those in america will choose differently from those in china, or australia. rich children will choose different things from poor children. and in some cases, it's religious culture that is feeding the young people's minds. but it is youth driven. is roll up your sleeves and get out there and do something. it is very much about drinking again breaking down the barriers that we tend to different countries, different countries, different religions and between us and the natural world. so there is a theme of learning to live in peace and harmony. and because i was made a un messenger of peace, that was because of roots and shoots because i told that we were planting seeds of global peace, all these young people sharing a philosophy. and i think we have a surprise for you, have we? i think so. we will see if it happens. one of the roots and shoots created to support the united nations international day of peace, a giant piece stock picker we've been flying since the seventh year, that on a day very close to the 21st, which is the un international day of peace, we

yesterday the president was in china where he met with the premier. the white house says china's president has accepted an invitation to visit next year. he also took time yesterday to walk along a section of china's great wall. he called the experience magical. >>> in between the state dinners, close door meetings, sight-seeing, president obama had a rare reunion with his half brother who is in china. mark obama has been living in southern china for the past seven years and made headlines recently because in his new book he claims their father physically abused him. he wouldn't say if that subject came up when they met briefly at the president's hotel. >> we just had a big hug. and my wife and he had a big, big hug. and it was very, very powerful, very, very intense because he's my big brother. >> president obama says he hasn't read his half brother's book but he says there's no secret his father was troubled. >>> busiest shopping day of the year is nine days away. we've got the scoop on some great deals you're going to want to know about. >>> police

we are looking more towards india and china and developing countries of africa. in the rate of growth for china has come out very strongly. so has india to a point. and this is where the incremental divide is going to come from, not from the united states or western europe. and this recovery continues, we think we should be able to sell as much oil as we are selling now. and if it is a bonus and a growth in europe and north studl amounts, then there may be room for some more incremented in the quantity of oil that we put back. at the moment, i don't see that as such a likelihood, but what i said was in the event of the international market calling for oil in order to keep prices within reasonable level and we are ready to put more out. [inaudible]

in terms of china, she had china from the bush era and the clinton era.ne of the things that you see with prime minister singh is that it is a continuation of what we saw with the bush administration. and using that china, is a nod to the relationship that bush was able to establish with prime minister singh. i talked to a white house usher about this -- he gave a figure that is $ the cost of that is already built in and the cost of the manpower is already built in. that is the figure he gave. george bush had smaller events, but this one looks more like $350,000, like a lavish wedding. >> did the white house indicate whether people would feel like they are in at 10 tonight -- they are in a tent tonight? >> they put a floor on theiere, and they really tried to keep people's eyes of. there is a wall hanging. you do not feel like you are in a tent. >> who is the bigger headline tomorrow, president obama or michelle obama? >> it has to be the first lady. there she was in this gorgeous dress. the president more attacks. -- the president wore a tux. the headlin

it's all china. they are selling nothing but china. they should be calling themselves wal-mart china. host: mr. fishman? >> well, it's interesting, sam walton, the last three or four years of his life concluded that american manufacturing was suffering, and he wanted to highlight made in the u.s.a. products. that was in sort of the late 19 0's right up to 1992 and a made in the u.s.a. section in most wal-mart stores. remember wal-mart was relatively small compared to now, 1/10 the number of stores. most people i talk to at wal-mart will tell you sort of rolling their eyes even 17 years later that it was done just to make sam happy. they weren't really buying more stuff from the u.s. they were just highlighting the things in the stores that they were already purchasing that were made in the u.s. even 199 2, the caller sounds like he's old enough to remember the things bought in taiwan. even then most things weren't made in the u.s., but there were still all kinds of things that was. wal-mart has been an incredible force for driving fact

in china. today over there, they're touring him around. he got to see where they keep all our money. >> the chinese president entertained president obama by having a military band play "i just called to say i love you" and" are the world." that's true. that really happened. that's true. that's true. yeah. yeah. what i want to know is how did the chinese president get ahold of my college record collection? that was my second day mixed tape. >> all right. it's 21 minutes past the hour. >>> bobby, our fliers are watching us today. good day, bad day? what? >> if you're in charlotte, pretty bad. ground stop until 7:30 because of low clouds. probably won't get extended but delays out of that. the lower end of the storm system. northern end by chicago. see a big slow headed in towards midway and o'hare, that's the yellow. moving in your direction then the rain slides back in towards i wap. today, charlotte ground stop. >> now for the next nine minutes. otherwise, chicago, atlanta, charlotte, cleveland, clouds and rain. watch for more rain to pile

companies that compete in china and with china around the world. and it's very important we see financial reforms, broad reforms to the exchange system over time to help reinforce the process toward a more balanced bull recovery. this is not stand issue between china and the united states. important for both of us but the global economy and on those issues, on climate change as we read about on our broad national security priorities in terms of north korea and other areas of the world i think we have a very strong foundation for cooperation. we are not going to agree on everything. our interests are necessarily going to conflict and a future. but our basic -- the basic judgment is we are going to be more effective working through those problems if we invest early in a strategic relationship where there is a better mutual understanding of our basic interests and we can work more effectively to advance the things we both care so much about putative >> one final question of my colleague would permit. the world bank and development banks have been stro

china and others have said the same." now, mr. president, let me just -- let me just say, it takes an unbelievable amount of gall to suggest that we're moving in the opposite direction of free trade. we have an unbelievable trade deficit. and this is the trade deficit with china. it is a sea of red ink. it has gotten worse and worse and worse. $266 billion of deficit last year, $266 billion trade deficit with china, and china is telling us that we have a problem with free trade? no, they're the ones that have closed markets. we're the sponge for all the goods that china wants to send us, only to find out that we can't get into their markets unless they describe the circumstances and restrict our ability to get into their markets. mr. president, could i have order? the presiding officer: order. thank you. the senator from north dakota. mr. dorgan: mr. president, this is about jobs. this is about jobs that leave our country and go there. and when we start talking about how to create jobs, maybe we ought to straighten out this trade

he met with china's president hu jintao this morning. from that president obama met a rare town hall meeting where he will later get up for his day. rate now it's about 11:30 at night. >>> six people were killed at a police station. it's the sixth attack in this area. tall pan leaders claimed responsibility for most of those but are denied being involved in some of the dead lift attacks against civilians and engineers spilled up the space shuttle "atlantis." the shuttle's taking key parts needed to take the international space station going. nasa will have 100 people watching the launch in florida and tweeting about it as well. they're expected to reach 150,000 twitter followers. these live pictures there as we get ready to send "atlantis" up into the sky if the weather's good. >>> those are some of the stories we're following on this monday. hope you're having a good morning. first off, sixth man in missouri, in a missouri family is accused in a child sex abuse case. darryl moeller said he is devastated. no idea about the rape allegatio

china is growing their economy. the obama trip to china was a bad idea. they just don't get it. my husband took a year and have to find a job. he just got a job. host: what kind of job did your son get? caller: my son got a job as a dishwasher at $8.50 per hour. host: what was he doing before? caller: that was after looking for a year and a half. host: fla. had an 11.2% unemployment rate. charlotte hall, maryland, on our independent line. caller: i am against a second stimulus package for they have not spent 3/4 of the first one yet. it seems like that money was wasted on states that had districts that did not exist and jobs that did not exist. for the american people to put faith in this president's and his people and the white house -- there are construction bids that are out there -- i am in the construction business -- for the few jobs that are available to bet on, there are 15 and 20 companies bidding on the same job and the price has gone down below cost. the competition is crazy. there is no money to be made. there are no jobs to be had. people are closing construction co

if you can say, well, we can't cut our greenhouse gas emissions because after all india and china and brazil and some other rapidly developing countries are not cutting bears. it would be unfair to put our citizens, face a burden, while these other people continue to pollute, forgetting that, you know, western europe and the united states has been polluting for 200 years and china and india are just getting started. instead of stepping back and saying i have a different plan. we will unilaterally impose very high taxes on fossil fuel use. two main fossil fuel use is that our heavy polluters. gasoline, you know that, fertilizer is a bigger greenhouse gas emitter than gasoline. so, if we put a heavy tax on fertilizer on gasoline it will be more expensive to drive big cars and will be more expensive to drive produced at the supermarket. now we can figure out why this doesn't. we can use those tax dollars to help compensate the indians, chinese, and so forth for switching to cleaner energy sources. and we could use some of the leftover money to sponsor research among cleaner energy users.

in terms of china, she had china from the bush era and the clinton era. of the things that you see with prime minister singh is that it is a continuation of what we saw with the bush administration. and using that china, is a nod to the relationship that bush was able to establish with prime minister singh. i talked to a white house usher about this -- he gave a figure that is $150,000. to me, it seemed kind of low. the cost of that is already built an and the cost of the manpower is built in. that is the figure that he gave. george bush had smaller events -- $80,000 in the state dining room. this one, 3 one20 guests -- with 320 guests is like a big, lavish wedding. >> to the white house indicate whether or not people feel like they are in a tent tonight? will they need to come back into the white house? >> one of the tricks that they do -- i talked to a white house usher about that. there is nothing fancy about 10. they put a floor on that and they try to keep people's eyes up. -- it is a tent. there are wall hangings, so you do not feel like you're in a

and china for years. >>> the number of u.s.rmy soldiers who kill themselves will likely set another record this year. there have been 140 suicides among active duty soldiers already. this will be the sixth consecutive year soldier suicides set a new record. >> this is horrible. i do not want to downplay the significance of these numbers in any way. we talk about using figures and percentages. each case represents an individual, a person, with family and friends and a future ahead of him or her. every single loss is devastating. >> chiarelli points out suicides are tapering off since the first of the year. after a large increase in soldier suicides during january and february. >>> have you heard? a government task force is telling women to wait until they're 50 to get mammograms a decade later than what the american cancer society recommends. >>> a government panel of doctors and scientists issue ad new recommendation for breast cancer screening. it's set off a huge debate, i mean a really big debate. people don't know what to t

i told him i enjoyed china's support. >> he also encouraged china to resume talks with the dalai lama'sa little spring and a little winter combined and in between is where you have the problem spots. >> we'll start around kansas city metro. it's been a tough morning commute, a winter weather advisory for the next 55 minutes, until about 8:00 your time. an upper level low. a lot of cold air wrapped up in that, going to gradually warm up and move to the north. right now it's all snow when you get into the north. the green shaded, blue shaded, all rain. that red spot probably some sleet, bride banding. we'll see this off and on this morning. later this afternoon should be all rain for you as it moves to the north. that winter weather advisory still in effect until 8:00 central this morning because of the snow currently coming down with a temperature of 34 degrees right now in kansas city. having a tough time sticking on the road but getting on some of the bridges and overpasses. heavy rain around central will indiana, illinois, down the line a little farther, the cold front in alabama gett

and today, china is one of our major trading partners.but we also recognize that we have a longstanding border problem with china. we're trying to resolve it through dialogue. in the meanwhile, both of our countries have agreed that pending the resolution of the border problem, peace and tranquillity should be maintained in the borderlands. having said that, i would like to say that i have received these assurances from the chinese leadership at the highest level. but there is a certain amount of reserve on the part of the chinese. i do not fully understand the reasons for it. that has to be taken note of. >> last question about china. there has been a lot of talk in the literature about the comparison of the indian and chinese approaches to development. a question -- widely believed india's is preferable? given that china has grown at a higher rate for more years? >> the chinese growths of -- the chinese growth performance is superior, but there are other values which are important than the growth of the gross domestic product. i think t

people understand especially of china, un, russia, now saying let's remove the dollar as an international reserve currency. that would mean less finance for the dollar, which would be not good things. peter schweizer, i want to thank you again. my name is michele bachmann, a member of congress. i want to thank peter schweizer for his book "architects of ruin." you can find more information at peter schweizer.com. thank you so much for joining us today. >> did you know you can view booktv programs online? go to booktv.org. type the name of the author, book or subject into the search area in the upper left hand corner of the page. select the watchfully. now you can view the entire program. you might also explore the recently on booktv box or the featured programs box. to find and view recent and featured programs. coming up next booktv presents "after words," an hour-long interview program where we invite a guest host to interview the author of a new book. this week, taylor branch recalls his eight years of private meetings with president bill clinton from 1993 to 2001 in "the clinton tapes

. >> and joe hebert, you asked about india and china. what are you -- did you hear? >> i think the administration homes that if they can get india and china to commit to something and if they can show significant progress on that front in copenhagen it will help them come back in the spring and help them pass a bill in congress. one of the biggest criticisms that there is is why should we do something that's going to hurt us economically when china and independence ave, which are going to produce huge amounts of carbon dioxide are not doing single i think the administration, correctly or not, seems to think that it can get china to do things. in the same respect, i think he also has made clear that the administration is ready to do a little deal making in congress. maybe put a little more music -- nuclear into a i.b.m. but it seems to be confident that it can get a bill, even though right now they're way short of getting the 60 votes in the senate and there are sent risk democrats, as well as almost all republicans who are very oposed to this bill, saying it's an ene

united states, china, and russia. none of the countries are admitting secrets about how they are pursuing cyber warfare as part of the legitimate strategy for component part. the reason we are falling behind is because cyberspace is a battlefield that could easily be contested. there are no borders to it, but armies are not deployed at that are in land and sea and air. not -- much more difficult if not impossible to control that space the way you would a terrestrial space. i think all three of those nations, and others, have seen how critically important this is going to be to military strategy, both because military communications depend upon cyber, civilian, and if you could really cripple a nation's ability to see and to communicate, it is an extraordinary strategic advantage. we have known that for centuries in warfare. we know the internet, the web is so integrated in everything that i think a lot of nations estimations it would be foolish not to pursue this as a strategy. but obviously clearly the u.s. is out th

we already saw this in denmark and germany and spain and now we have china coming. this is competition and we are up to full speed. this is full speed competition. is the west or to win this? -- is the u.s. going to win this? i have been asked, so many times, by the export import bank what we need to do to increase exports of renewable energy from this country and my answer has been to build factories. that is what we need it. that is this part of phase two. next is how to finance the scale oup. they have estimated that it will take $30 -- $30 billion-$50 billion every year going forward to reach 20% by 2020. not a 3-5, 30-50. the task ahead is to double what we have ever done and do it every year. >> can the government do that alone? >> absolutely not. and wall street do that alone? >> absolutely not. -- ken wall street that a long? absolutely not. -- ken wall street do that alone -- can wall street do that alone? absolutely not. investors with 18 trillion dollars, the second is the middle east funds and the third is china. we have to link u.s. institutional invest

china spent 50% of their stimulus money on it. in korea, 80%.untries to seek these technologies and these jobs as the future. they are rushing to compete there. it is not like acid rain where i am putting in a smokestack. in this case, it is making things more competitive and building new jobs and opportunities. it is a win-win opportunity. host: democrats line in reno, california. caller: first of all, i want to thank c-span. i'm really glad that the previous callers who have called in were very informed regarding this issue. i would like to talk about the fact that as a postgraduate student, i know that most professors would actually do anything to get a grant from the government or from other companies@@@@ i believe this issue or i know this issue is about cap and trade and and personally i think cap and trade has not really reduced emissions and proven it won't help emissions and the farkt fact that major corporations are backing this and that governments are backing this. that should raise an eye brow. that's all i have to say. >> i think y

and today, china is one of our major trading partners.but we also recognize that we have a longstanding border problem with china. we're trying to resolve it through dialogue. in the meanwhile, both of our countries have agreed that pending the resolution of the border problem, peace and tranquillity should be maintained in the borderlands. having said that, i would like to say that i have received these assurances from the chinese leadership at the highest level. but there is a certain amount of reserve on the part of the chinese. i do not fully understand the reasons for it. that has to be taken note of. >> last question about china. there has been a lot of talk in the literature about the comparison of the indian and chinese approaches to development. a question -- widely believed india's is preferable? given that china has grown at a higher rate for more years? >> the chinese growths of -- the chinese growth performance is superior, but there are other values which are important than the growth of the gross domestic product. i think t

we're also engaged with china. of the last five years, we have been discussing the border problem, and meanwhile our economic relations have grown in their intensity china is one of our major trading partners. therefore, we are all in favor of the rest of the world engaging china. but i made mention in recent weeks and months, but we have focused a greater deal of assertiveness on the part of china. i did not see any help from the united states. we just reviewed the world situation and i am confident that trooper a bus full negotiations between our two countries will resolve outstanding issues. -- that true personal relationships -- personal negotiations between our two countries will resolve outstanding issues. we talked about reducing and correcting the global imbalances with the responsibilities of various countries. now that the united states is engaged in an exercise, the president mentioned to me, the united states cannot play the same role in the future in stimulating global growth that happened in the past.

. >> you asked about india and china. what did you hear? >> i think the administration hopes that if they can get india and china to commit to something, and later so progress in copenhagen, it will help them. one of the biggest criticisms there is, and one that resonates, is why do something that will hurt us economically when china and india, out who will produce huge amounts of carbon dioxide, are not doing it? i think the administration, correctly or not, seems to think that it can get china to do things. in the same respect, they also have made clear that the administration is getting ready to make deals in congress. maybe do some more of nuclear. right now they're short in the senate, and almost all republicans saying it can hurt places like ohio and pushed jobs overseas, perhaps to china. so that might be where they think copenhagen can help them on the bill. >> thank you both for your time. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2009] >> up next, a form on the impac

and he's very interested in china these days. he sees china as coming on board, just as he supplied the intellectual groundwork for the creation of the euro, the european money. and he now sees we could have some kind of a linkage between the euro, the dollar and whatever china comes up with, some kind of a yuan that's convertible and a stable currency. >> explain something. this is a simple thing. i mean, it's not a simple explanation, i'm sure. but when the euro was created and -- was that 10 years ago? >> yes. >> there was a parity. one dollar for one euro. >> yes. >> and then it even dipped below, where it was in the 80's on the euro side, and now it's $1.50 the other way around. >> now, that tells you something, because the whole idea of floating rates was supposed to be a more stable system. and the whole idea of fighting protectionism is to eliminate tariffs. but because you have this huge area of the european union, and this huge area of the united states, having variations of more than 50% in that relatively limited time