-china relationship. at a time when we should be focused on reaffirming our commitment to the region, we left many doubting the depth and breadth of american power and influence. for example, in its 2009 defense white paper, the government of australia states, we also need to consider the circumstances of a more dramatic and in defense planning term, sudden deterioration in our strategic outlook. while currently unlikely a translation of mayor power relations in the u.s. pacific region, would have a profound effect on our strategic circumstances. of particular concern would be any diminution of the willingness or capacity of the united states to act as a stabilizing force. i hope each of you will give concrete examples of what we're doing to alleviate these doubts. finally, in just a few weeks a department of defense will submit its 2010 quadrennial defense review to congress. shortly afterward will receive the nuclear posture review. and the 2006 qdr the pentagon noted that china was at a strategic cross

to the unity of china. so the traditional way in which the han, not just now, but have handled this is by very authoritarian means. this is not new. this goes back a long time. and was going to happen i don't know. historically i would have said to you if china carried on just like it has done, then the chinese will just eventually, han will get the way. there's only 10 million uighurs. they are 6 million tibetans fear they will just ignore the problem. historically that's what's happened. the province was a much, much bigger problem. restructured. i'm not sure they can get away with it. because china becomes a global power, one of the responsibility of price, the price you have to pay to be a global power is global tension. it looks really bad for china in the developing world, especially which they are concerned about, when clearly the han do not respect this. >> i'm with harvard business school. i have a question, i want to push you back a bit on your vision of the chinese state. he described as extraord

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consumption of china is one-third. so china alone cannot do the whole adjustment. consumption there is still too small even though it is growing very rapidly. so it does make a difference for the u.s. economy, but it cannot poll the u.s. and all -- pull the u.s. and these other countries out of recession. that's the way we see it. >> [question inaudible] >> one of which i think you could argue is a mixed blessing, which is the provision of debt capital into the economy. you know, over recent years. obviously the emerging markets have been the major buyers primarily of treasury paper, especially in the last year before that, also mortgage-backed securities. less obviously since the crisis. and that has kept interest rates down. now, as i say, that may have been a mixed blessing and may have contributed to the whole problem. but i think one of the final linkages sort of somewhat under appreciated is the support given by profitability abroad to u.s. corporations. and thus to the u.s. stock market, and thus to the u.s. economy more blaudly, i would argue. probably the

-china relationship. at a time when we should be focused on reaffirming our commitment to the region and we left many doubting the depth and breadth of american power and influence. for example in 2009 defense point paper the government of australia states we also need to consider the circumstances of a more dramatic and independence sudden deterioration in our strategic outlook. while currently unlikely transformation of major power relations in the u.s. pacific region, would have a profound effect on a strategic circumstances. of particular concern would be any diminution of the willingness or capacity of the united states to act as a stabilizing force. i hope each of you will give concrete examples of what we're doing to alleviate these doubts. finally in just a few weeks at the department of defense will submit its 2010 quadrennial defense review to progress. shortly after riss will receive the nuclear posture review. the 2006 the pentagon noted that china was a strategic crossroads and that it had th

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this is what china was like. the intellectuals, it is a big owner to be ranked with the working class. people work for themselves for their own rank but work help to make the community, make the nation better. 1985 the new chinese government gave him a big donner as the scientist to made the most contribution to the science and technology. when he got that honor he said he was not excited because it is the only three times excited he just mentioned above and he says something very well that made me think a lot. he said if china abandons socialism, if china abandoned modern thought chinese nation will suffer and the chinese state will feel. at the time he said that, most people didn't think very hard about what he means. looking back today, i think he was right. this summer i was [inaudible] i will mention in my reading this afternoon. i was there on july feared and the riots broke out on july 5th. and it struck me to see 50,000 people came out with big knives and axes and began to kill people. i never thought chi

china to another company within china. they maintain some investment and he is no longer directly in china in the market because of that incident. and yahoo! with stepped-up and i won a few companies to support google in its protest against the chinese. >> host: and as we go to her neck collar, give viewers a look at and listeners a reading of comparisons of the two top search engines in china, baidu and also google by revenue did baidu with 53 -- 62% of the revenue, google with 33%. baidu, 62% of searches, google 15% and you can see from the other search is a far level of that. a tear from mountain bell, california. robert is on the republican line. >> caller: good morning, everyone in thank you so much for c-span. i'm here in silicon valley and i've been in china for about six years working back and forth. and i also have been in the software outsourcing business. and, you know, one thing that's kind of ironic is the investment money that started ali baba actually came out of the investment companies here in silicon vall

and in china.so you basically have to print a time when large number of people have come from china to the u.s. the first of the mid-19th century. 1840s, '50s, '60s. when we were recruiting people because we wanted to build the rear of and work in the miter box and lots of people came. they came from a small handful of townships around what is today while joe. that was sort of the first source of people. the fact they all came from there wasn't the typical immigrant story, even in the 19th century, they knew they were on the coast. then you get chinese exclusion. in the end of the 19th century we basically say that's it. enough. people still do come from china to the u.s. during those years that follow. but by and large, they have to come illegal and you don't really get large number of people coming from china in the next few decades. we get to world war ii. the chinese exclusion is there going strong that point. there's this awkwardness for us that now china is our ally against japan. so roosevel

outsidof china and well-known and resrched fact. since e year of 2002. the google's gmail eerience is just latest exampl what's significa is a company like google ma this public. i understand that it isn internet companyho operates entirely based on the trust of e clients, or users, the seice like gmail, cannot afford to lose theironfidence from their client s thatoogle has the capabili to protect their privacy. so this attack is seous. and, of cour, like andrew said this is only theast straw that google is exriencing in cha.a- perating in a sensored , highly censorednvironment. >> brown: the rceived wisdom is theseompanies cannot afford not to be in ine and, therore, acquiesce. does this look like the beginning of some kindf major turnaround in that attite? >> think it shows that companies are only willi to st around for so long, or at least google is leading thway now, in rms of having the deck stacked against them. en i was living in beijing just last year, was at a talk with t american chamber of commerce, and any mpany that doe

a lot of people have a very heavy price for the development in china. a lot of people continue to pay a heavy price and these are people who are living in rural

just on the situation in china, china has surprised us by it's rapid growth in 2009.and that was really achieved through massive fiscal stimulus policy, massive easying of monetary policy. the question that i have in whether in 2010 we're not going to see problems emerging in the global economy from the chinese situation. what i'm referring to is much of the stimulus package went to be building up editional excess capacity which is going to come on screen in 2010. and at a time that europe and the united states are going to be having very high unemployment levels, i'm not sure that that is going to be a very positive development for the world economy. what we're going to see is heightened protection pressures which you have already have right now. and if china is going to be providing additional supply, that's really going to make life rather difficult for the u.s. and europe. >> thank you. my final of this question what is the explanation for the different performance between the large emerging economies especially in asia and the oldest industrialized economies? and

snow-related problems continue in china. passengers on this train were stopped on board for more than 24 hours. -- they were stuck on board. it ran into a wall of snow, forcing people left in freezing temperatures with no heat. in this city the freezing weather has not stopped these bathers. it is the city's annual snow and ice festival. getting out is as painful as getting in. >> the former -- the formula one racing team had his lifetime ban from the sport over term. the penalty was imposed by a ruling body that decides it he ordered the driver to crash deliberately in the 2008 singapore gran prix. in the philippines they suspect of ordering the massacre of 57 people appeared in court. a leading member of the planet was accused of targeting a rival political family. another significant step towards lasting peace in northern ireland. a group supporting the union with britain has completed the discretion of its weapons. >>> and egyptian soldier was shot dead o the egypt/basara border. -- egypt/gaza border. they sent this repo

between google and china. so it is a serious issue. it is a longstanding issue between the united states and china. we will continue to talk about this. what will be the impact? that will depend on the response. >> the response here -- let me read it. the u.s. has criticized chinese policies to administrate the internet and in insinuates that china restricts internet freedom. this runs counter to the facts and is harmful to relations. do you concur with either of those statements? that it runs contrary to the facts and that is harmful -- is harmful to u.s.-chinese relations? we seek an explanation from china. we're trying to ascertain facts. the chinese have denied that anything has happened. the google statement speaks for itself. seems to point to the fact that something significant has happened. that is why we have raised the question that we have and why we seek an explanation from china of whether that happened. we're trying to ascertain the facts. blanket denial that nothing happened we do not think is p

the trend -- the consumption in china as one-third. china alone cannot do the whole adjustment.sumption there is still too small, even though it is growing rapidly. it does make a difference for the u.s. economy. but it cannot pull the u.s. and all of these other countries of recession. that is the way we see it. >> [inaudible] these people have been talking here about official stimulus and helping u.s. banks and so on. >> there were two clear financial linkages. one of them you could argue was a bit of a mixed blessing, which is the provision of that capital into the economy. in recent years, the emerging markets have been major buyers of primarily prep -- treasury papers, especially in the last year. also before that, mortgage backed securities. less so since the crisis. and it has not kept interest rates down. that may be a mixed blessing in that it may have contributed to the whole problem. one of the financial linkages is somewhat underappreciated. it is the support given by profitability abroad to u.s. corporations. and us, to the u.s. stock market and the u.s. economy mor

/china relationship a little more. china has come out of this recession stronger than ever. it's going to grow at 8.5% this year. its reserves are now at $27.3 trillion. they're higher than they've ever been so far from being depleted as a result of it and they are using this crisis as an opportunity to build an amaze ing new set of structures. they come out of this at least in the first flush much stronger than the rest of the world. are they beginning to flex their muscles? >> well, the first thing is that, by the way, when this crisis happened, i remember this. many people thought this crisis was going to somewhat derail the asian story, that asian countries were dependent on exports to u.s. and europe. what nobody expected is that this crisis has accelerated the shift of power to asia and the chinese are ready to be responsible stakeholders in a new global order. they do want to work with the united states of america. so at this moment in world history, if the u.s. gets it right with china, then we are in for two or three decades of comfortable time. but if the u.s. gets

/china relationship a little more. china has come out of this recession stronger than ever.going to grow at 8.5% this year. reserves are now at $2.3 trillion. they are higher than they have ever been so far from being depleted as a result of this and they are using this crisis as an opportunity to build an amazing new set of infrastructures for their next year of cities. so, they come out of this, at least in the first blush, much stronger than the rest of the world. are they beginning to flex their muscles? >> i think the key -- the first thing is, by the way, when this crisis happened, i don't know if you remember this, many people thought that this crisis was somehow derail the asian store late asian countries were dependent on to exports, u.s. and europe would die with the crisis. what nobody expected so that this crisis shifted the power to asia and the chinese are ready to be responsible stakeholders in a new global order. they do want to work with the united states of america. so at this moment in world history, if the u.s. gets it right with china, then we are in for

>> well, i see this broader than china. it's saying that a number of countries in the world are basically restricting the right of people to speak freehly through the internet, through their cell phones. and preventing them from really engaging within their own societies and the dialogue about issues that are important to them. this is really human rights and democracy issue. and this is one component of it. >> reporter: specifically in the case of google, and in these attacks on google, e-mail accounts, she asked china to investigate what happened. now most experts pointed directly at the chinese government or chinese-supported entities. is that the way the u.s. sees it in. >> well, i think what we see is that there is a broad pattern of restriction of information ina. certainly the government is involved in that. we're also concerned about personal privacy and protection of privacy. and so there are two issues here. one ask making sure that the internet is free and open, across borders so the people can participate in the

as far as freedom in china or human-rights, how much control do you have as to the technologies in chinana? >> it is important to view this issue in china in the broadest frame. we had an agenda which is an ongoing agenda. these are issues that we continue to discuss. the internet is a means of expressing those issues by chinese citizens within the country and gathering information about those issues by people in this country. also a way for them to express themselves to the rest of the world. we support their effort. we certainly don't have the control. the chinese government is your involved. but as one of the challenges that we face. we had a disagreement with the chinese government. our opinion is that there should be an open internet. people should be able to express their views in the most free terms. this will be a continued diplomatic discussion. it is also part of the responsibilities of companies. they are acting collectively to figure out what their role is. we need to be working with companies. we also need to be promote the free internet in china. >> the secretary announced

today, china's official medi fired back. one state-n newspaper charged clinton was enging in "information impialism." and the foreign mistry issued a response on its wesite, saying: "we urge the u.sside to respect facts and op using the so-cled 'freedom of the internet' to make unjustied accusations against cha." chinese reporting of clint's criticism was sparsebut the u.s. state departmt took its case dectly to chinese blogrs. the american embassy in being and consulat in other cities hosted webased discussions about the speech. for its part, ogle issued a statement aising clinton's speechand c.e.o. eric schmidt said the company stillopes to find a w to remain active in chin for more on all this we turn to michael posner, assista secrary of state for democracy, human rigs and labor; and david lampton, directoof the china studs program at johns hopkins university. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> mr. posnewhat exactly was seetary of state clintoaccusing china of when it comes to iernet frh dom? what do yosee? >> well

well, just look at china. sales of automobiles now in china surpassed that in the u.s. and that trend is continuing, and you're going to see the same thing in india, same thing in brazil, russia, of course. believe it or not, a lot of people think of russia as just a commodity market. actually, it's consumer market as well. some of the consumer names there are doing quite well. and, of course, all the other markets, turkey, south africa, you name it. they are increasing sales of consumer goods. and that includes not only disposable, but hard goods. >> i know you've spent some 40 years working in emerging markets and really all over the world. what is your approach to investing? what do you look for, and what's most important when investing in a stock? or in an area? >> well, nowadays, we look at the people behind the company. who is running the company? what is their mentality? how do they treat shareholders? what is their attitude towards shareholders? that is very, very important. we've learned that the hard way over many years. when we started, we looked at the numbe

what are the challenges of a country like china going into places like africa were the u.s. is already but china becomes competitor as a developer in a developing nation in these countries? >> guest: i think basically in everybody's interest certainly to see africa am become more developed and i think the chinese view africa as an untapped resource for raw materials that they need to fuel their financial -- manufacturing sector. and so i think it is a challenge but i don't think it's a problem. i think it's really makes a lot of sense for everybody. >> host: georgia on a republican line will. >> caller: hi, i wonder if our guest has ever lived economic basic economics by thomas o. walther ribbon and as far as i'm concerned the federal reserve is keynesian and also the thing that he criticized about the drug deals is keynesian and i would like to ask a question, does he think economics is an art or science? i think it is a science. the same way the court of engineers can determine how water will flow when they determine where to put a dam. human nature is in the absolute that

you take them all and put them into a consumption of china. consumption of china is one third. china alone cannot do the whole adjustment. the consumption is still too small even though it is growing very rapidly. though it does make a difference for the u.s. economy, but it cannot pull the u.s. and all these other countries out of recession. that's the way we see it. [inaudible] >> people have been talking here about the official stimulus and the u.s. bank from that one -- >> there are two leakage as. one i think you cannot get the blessing which is the progression of debt capital into the economy in recent years the emerging markets have played a major part primarily of treachery, especially the last year if all that also mortgage-backed securities less obviously since the crisis. and that has kept interest rates down. as i say, that may have been a mixed blessing and may have contributed to the whole problem. but i think one of the financial linkages is somewhat underappreciated is the support given by profitability a broad to u.s. corporations and dusted the u.s. start my p

the rise of china conference japan and india. in this emerging great power game where america is bogged down in afghanistan. i think the events in this area are slipping out of american control. obama is in danger of losing control over his own party as we saw in the health care debates. it is likely to spread to foreign policy as well. the rationale for his policy is unpersuasive. in fact, the strategy is possible, the engagement is possible, only because of mercenaries and a volunteer army. a draft would cause an unpopular revolt and the public is able to associate itself from a war that the president has said is essential to the country's security. obama has great charisma, but charisma is a breed -- a declining asset. obama has fulfilled our lowest expectations. to be the fdr of this generation, he has to do as fdr did. he has to learn to be as tough as he is inspiring and he must learn that charisma, like beauty, inevitably fades. and then the hard task of persuasion begins. thank you. [applause] >> thank you all very much.

and i think they tried to do this over in china and china basically said, no way.briefly comment -- i heard a guy called earlier about? host: very briefly. caller: you asked,ç why would't the government -- would the government starts swine flu? was in our government behind infecting the blood of the tuskegees with syphilis? host: usec in 2010 you are concerned about the government doing this? caller: i don't put anything past them. in fact, a couple of years ago john hopkins university went to the poor neighborhoods in baltimore, maryland, and east st. louis and deliberately and without informing the poor people in those areas, the black people, that they were deliberately putting lead in the soil, and that was reported and "the baltimore sun." host: let us move on to ogden, kansas, norman on the republican line. caller: i think any company should be allowed to move out of any country that they want to. yes, there probably is a lot of spying going on. but we people here in the united states should be able to do what we want to. as long as it is legal, that is what

does china sea that unified.aligned with the u.s., did they sit in the national interest to help the north korean economy traded gaining? they still want access to the ec, they have been building a road from the northeast corner where there are landlocked to try and get to the ocean, the north koreans have dragged their feet on this project long overdue as with any project with north korea tends to be. and so there will still be a strategic economic interests and the question is whether they will see it in their interest to continue to try and invest and be part of unified korea or stand back and say let's let americans and south koreans take care of it. you are not well,, your ideas about this. in terms of u.s. and japanese corporate interests we just that a business delegation go to north korea the couple weeks ago, good old ross perot and a couple other colorful individuals, but the follow-up chief of aig, ross greenberg made a pilgrimage to p'yongyang and it's a reminder that there has over the years been a a

china definitely wants stability.what we can debate is whether or not it is in pollution -- implosion or explosion on the part of north korea -- i think it will try to create a buffer t. a 10- or 20-mile buffer zone to keep the chaos from spilling into china. but the next question is more difficult -- what do they do then? i assume that a unified korea is going to be led by south korea and have the full support and be closely aligned with the united states. it does china than continue to play an active role economically speaking in trying to rehabilitate north korea? even a unified korea aligned with the united states -- do they see it as in the national interest to help the north korean economy would trade -- with trade? they were building our road from the northeast -- a road from the northeast corner, and the north koreans drag their feet on this project, and it is overdue, as any project with north korea tends to be. they still have strategic economic interests. the question is whether they will see it in their in

from china? statements that they will oppose any sanctions on iran in the security council. what have we gotten for our pressure on israel? the complete breakdown of negotiations. for 16 years, the palestinians have negotiated with that a settlement freeze until obama arrived to reinvent the war. the arabs now refuse any negotiations as they prefer, logically, to sit back and let the united states extract unilateral concessions from israel. this is only the beginning. in his first year, we have only begin -- begun to see the fruits. the signs are unmistakable. should this policy continue for the next three years alone for the next seven it will have profound consequences throughout the world. it would constitute a gradual american retreat with the possible exception of afghanistan although obama has pointedly insisted that within 18 months the retreat from their begins, as well. -- from there begins. when erstwhile allies see the american umbrella beginning to be withdrawn, and they will begin to

they will probably never apologize for invading china for a civil there's certain things the japanese decided in the 90's we can do. we left these chemical weapons behind we can address that we obviously know china something for that and here is an easy way to address this question and therefore improve relationship with china japan did not a 180 but 130 and began to move toward an agreement, a joint effort with china since 1997 japan has piled millions and millions of dollars into this effort. things haven't gone as swimmingly as it was predicted. it's a very difficult thing to do. this is -- there's never been an effort on this scale before. the chinese government is somewhat difficult to deal with when you are moving a large inexplicably technical machinery into their country, and there has also been corruption on the japanese side. nevertheless, the political will behind this effort has been -- has been quite striking. but the point as the political will came about not because there was a moral obligation or because the legal groundwork changed but simply because the political env

a lot of people have a very heavy price for the development in china. a lot of people continue to pay a heavy price and these are people who are living in rural areas committees are minorities in many cases, these are migrant workers in cities who are not enjoying the prosperity of china, and of course when things go wrong because it is a closed society it is difficult to point out the mistakes that have been made and so authoritarian regimes very rarely correct the mistakes. there is no space for pressure to be put on them. so, there is this argument that is still thought that you need to suppress liberty to have prosperity. the other argument that also we hear very often is that what we are talking about are not economic and social rights and that is an argument of course, not in china but here in the united states. right now there is a debate on health, health care as a human right, and yet the irony is that when the universal declaration of human rights was drafted in 1948 that declaration included economic and social rights as well as civil and pol

and i think they tried to do this over in china and china basically said, no way. can i also just real briefly comment -- i heard a guy called earlier about? host: very briefly. caller: you asked,ç why would't the government -- would the government starts swine flu? was in our government behind infecting the blood of the tuskegees with syphilis? host: usec in 2010 you are concerned about the government doing this? caller: i don't put anything past them. in fact, a couple of years ago john hopkins university went to the poor neighborhoods in baltimore, maryland, and east st. louis and deliberately and without informing the poor people in those areas, the black people, that they were deliberately putting lead in the soil, and that was reported and "the baltimore sun." host: let us move on to ogden, kansas, norman on the republican line. caller: i think any company should be allowed to move out of any country that they want to. yes, there probably is a lot of spying going on. but we people here in the united states should be able to do what we want to. as long as it

by comparison with china today even though i think they have a lot of problems still china did much better most other countries. many people in this country or in the world like to pick on china. but they don't know how weak of progress china made over the years. right? and there are a lot talking about china when they talk of the family, the 1960's. they didn't know the family was a commonplace in china before the chinese revolution. there are families everywhere. they didn't know how because the chinese revolution, a family becomes very rare. it is because 100 years and the disaster. the worst drought and the worst flooding. and yes, we have shortages, but because the element took very good care of the chinese people we didn't have a widespread family during that three years. we had a lot ponder but most

that still exists in china.democratic centralism has embraced a much wider diversity within limits, but a wide diversity of your then you got. economically, in this system, state ownership, and private ownership. china's new to market economy. the state sector and the private sector produces. economically it is not a communist system. i see to the ideological defining characteristics. a sense of belonging to a movement. and finally the aim of building communism. well, it will take many generations to build the first stage of socialism. so in other words hundreds of years. as for communism, forget it. nobody in china today, i think, is seriously thinking about building socialism let alone communism. they have still got some pretty important political characteristics, but nevertheless there is, i think, a certain intellectual fermanent. the final point on this question, chinese intellectuals. educated people suffered so much. the chinese population is still two-thirds peasant. so if you move to complete democracy

we have a vigorous dialogue with china.that china has taken to implement those things. there are issues we continue to work out together, as we try to resolve some of these ambiguities around particular transactions or activity. we have seen a clear indication on china's behalf that they take this seriously and understand the importance of standing -- sending a vigorous signal to north korea about nuclear recession. we continue the dialogue. >> the gentleman to rose down. >> thank you very much. what is the u.s. reaction to the military incident between the north and south? you mentioned the recent agreement with russia. many in moscow feel that it will no longer be part of the u.s.- russia agenda, is that true? >> we continue with the universal preoccupation of the united states to address those issues, within the framework of the dialogue that we have established with russia. it is one issue we continue to discuss and we think it is quite important for russia's own future to continue to offer its own people the benefits o

that is an argument not in china but in the united states. there is a debate on health care as a human right. the irony is when the universal declaration of human rights was concluded economic and social rights as well as civil and political rights and the architect of that document was her husband spoke about the full freedom. freedom from need. freedom from fear and freedom from want went hand-in-hand. his conceptualization of freedom. that was because in 1948 the memory was very fresh in the minds of the u.s. administration about depression. it is interesting to see the economic recession today will revive interest in recognizing economic and social life in this country as rights. the third reason poverty is not seen as a human rights issue and human-rights are not injected into public eradication strategy is is because there is a belief the market was processing. if we simply have economic growth we will all be pulled out. as we all know that is not how economic growth takes place. economic growth creates inequality at the same time and e

what nixon was doing initially with his attempt to talk with the soviet union or attempt to open red china and the third street and that he decided upon before coming to office to very quickly bring the vietnam war to a close. he was not able to do that as quickly as he wanted but he succeeded very admirably on the other friends. by doing so he galvanized hold generations of people who were fundamentally anti-a communist. these are people on the right, both with the democratic party and the republican party and any other party who had met the previous 25 years, working their lives out against communism and the idea you could suddenly throw that over and open up discussions and perhaps make concessions to communist countries, this was an amazing thing to them. they coalesced and did more than impact foreign policy. as we will contend in this book, there is a strong element of helping to undermine the nixon presidency in a way to help to bring it down. the mythology is the nixon presidency ended because of a conspiracy on the left. we think this has to be amended and we show you exactly why

i know china rejected a u.s.monitor there covering those emissions at the copenhagen meeting so i think we need to be very transparent and build a trust which also echoes the president announced last year based on mutual trust we can monitor these in a more objective way and which can serve as a role model for other countries. this is one area that we can collaborate. and the other aspect is more like a private sector investment. how we can develop more green technology, green jobs. the korean attempt to create about a million green new jobs in the next coming decades. and i know that also u.s. tried to attempt to do a similar job but i heard the other day from npr that china is also taking a lot of this green technology, a lot of the solar panels are now being created in china rather than in the u.s. so main the u.s. is exporting all these energies to other countries so they have some implications how we can collaborate in mutual ways. the other aspect is more like a policy aspect. as i mentioned before all the

we have a vigorous dialogue with china. there are many positive steps that china has taken to implement those things. there are issues we continue to work out together, as we try to resolve some of these ambiguities around particular transactions or activity. we have seen a clear indication on china's behalf that they take this seriously and understand the importance of standing -- sending a vigorous signal to north korea about nuclear recession. we continue the dialogue. >> the gentleman to rose down. >> thank you very much. what is the u.s. reaction to the military incident between the north and south? you mentioned the recent agreement with russia. many in moscow feel that it will no longer be part of the u.s.- russia agenda, is that true? >> we continue with the universal preoccupation of the united states to address those issues, within the framework of the dialogue that we have established with russia. it is one issue we continue to discuss and we think it is quite important for russia's own future to continue to offe

trade with china?, in so far -- look, it is not likely, for the same reason that any other major company might follow with leave here, certainly not in the near future, but it will reignite the debate about how companies in the u.s. government and u.s. institutions engaged with china. the logic governing the relationship for many years is that china is so big, it needs to be accommodated and largely on its own terms. google is saying that they do not agree with that. host: a couple of quick points before you go. you say that google is going to speak to beijing over the next couple of weeks but how they might operate without censorship. what do you expect those talks to be like? will they result in an agreement? caller: i doubt they will be particularly enjoyable for either side. it is fair to say that the chances of an agreement are not high. although there is some interest from both sides in trying to seek a solution, but the bottom line is that offering a separate search service for china with separa

the biggest thing on this is going back to john kennedy about china. china is the ultimate growth. in 1964, 1963, 1964, it was moving towards a nuclear base. people were extraordinarily warned about it. it would use the weapons or use them for nuclear back mail or so forth. he was very alarmed about this. he was in the vast majority. saying it was likely to be historically the most significant in the 1960s. actually, probably the most historically significant and worst was john kennedy's decision to escalate the war in vietnam. in part largely to deal with what he saw as the common threat coming from china. and john mccone is the head of the central intelligence agency at the time, unless it is led by an alliance, it is almost inevitable. so the question is what has happened with the china bomb? answer: nothing. they've wasted a certain amount of money. they built bombs, and said from the beginning they would not use them first. they built far fewer than they could. clearly if they wanted to, they could have ha lot more. they hardly even talk about it. in fact, a lot of people don'

the emergence of china. and what does that mean?and the economic -- i pay attention to the economic engines, china, india, europe. us, brazil. and what does that mean for the future? i think in the long run it will be the engines that drive outcomes. so this is important that we pay a lot of attention to with a what is going on in other parts of the world. we stood up. last. a year and a half ago now. in -- for the sole purpose is being able to focus engagement strategy from the military perspective of africa. a wond full continent of great resources. wonderful people. and huge challenges. whether familiar end. disease. and i think that the world will need to be engaged there. so, and then as i look to the rest of the world, i also try to keep my head up. i look to what is the united states military look like after the two wars. and i always worry about fighting the last war. and for where we are going you know. these will be the last wars. and how much of this is relevant for the future? and what kind of a training equipment, peopl

into china actually we have made some investments into the retail sector, thats turned our very well. so these are all good natural kind of linkages, bearing in mind this whole culturally you know malaysia is a multiethnic nation with a very large, oneof the largest concentration of people of chinese descent as well as indian descent and thats part of our great cultural diversity >>sager: they also have strong ties with the gulf region and you know you have this blue chip consortium of investors which have invested in iskandar. how do you see that region recover and how are the ties? >>mokhtar: the ties are very strong. the, indeed you referred to our consortium at medini in iskandar, which isan investment that will translate, or is being translated into a gross development value of more than 15 billion us dollars. at the same time we are putting more or less the amount of 150 millions us dollars or about 4.25% or thereabouts of islamic private equity fund called fajr capital, with theview of investing in the gulf and the islamic world and using islamic finance vehicles. and indeed th

debt presumably you meant china. we were talking about national security concerns. right now we have them in the financial media focusing to a large degree on the dollar weakness but obviously pleasing and to u.s. influence but also somewhat of a positive in that you see american goods being purchased, helping to be purchased outside of these borders. so how do you balance that? >> first i have to answer the numbered question. what is the number -- [laughter] >> you ready now? >> [inaudible] >> okay. >> i think alice's 60% number you cannot really quarrel with it because internationally it is a norm. the imf has given its stamp of approval supposedly although i don't know if that is good thing or bad thing. but here is the experiment i would like us to conduct. >> do you use to work at the imf? so the stamp of approval is not necessarily a good thing? >> not necessarily a good thing. [laughter] i want to have a thought experiment. supposing we had started this crisis, we went into this crisis at 60% of the debt to gdp and added 40% roughly 100% of gdp that i think w

. >> you were recently in china. let's get your perception of the premier who seemed to give you a dressing down for taking so long to come. they are in very powerful players. when was your perception? >> we attend international summits quite regularly and i have had a chance to have bilateral meetings at a number of these summits. what strikes me most about the chinese leadership is the degree to which it really is a collective leadership. you give me any number of chinese leaders and their lines and position are all the same. they work very much as the communist party. it is not a charismatically leader driven party. it is now a collective leadership. i find that they want to have good and productive relationships while promoting their interests. we are dealing with a different political system. to be effective, you have to be open to them and have to defend your interests because these are people who know what they want. >> western countries still regard al qaeda as a serious threat. is there another serious threa

no doubt china will become an economic rival.largest economy in the world surpassing japan. in terms of the economic engine in china, all indications are that continued growth are expected. without a doubt, economically, there will be tension. there will be a race for resources are round the world. the start to see chinese companies trying to acquire access to resources and foreign companies that have access to mines in particular resources of interest. they're going to be rivalries. the key question is the maturation of chinese foreign policy. are they less insular and less concerned about threats to their own power in asia and more responsible in dealing with some of these very important international threats? here is one example. in the run-up to the beijing olympics, the chinese were worried about terrorist attacks to disrupt the games being a black mark on china's reputation. we worked very hard with them and disrupted a few attacks. one attack would have occurred on an airplane heading to china. those came out of western pa

as far as china is concerned, the real problem there has nothing to do with taxes t.has everything to do with the exchange rate. they simply refuse to allow their currency to rise, which gives them a competitive advantage that makes it cheaper for to us buy goods from them than to produce them ourselves. but nevertheless, the u.s. is still the largest manufacturing country in the world and the largest exporter, and i think sometimes we forget that. and we run ourselves down, when actually we're still in pretty good shape. host: there's a story in the "philadelphia inquirer" about china pledging more aid to african nations after a conference this weekend. what are the challenges of a country like china going into places like africa where the u.s. is already, but china becomes a competitor as a developer, a developing nation in this n those countries? guest: well, i think it's basically in everybody's interest certainly to see africa become more developed, and i think the chinese view africa as an untapped resource for raw materials that they need to fuel their manufact