so therefore, china is policy on china. i'm trying to us relations involved expressing core concerns, making clear what do use these are non negotiable wrapped lines such as the supporting taiwan independence or you know, instigating the separation of china. this is definitely non negotiable. those are the rats lice of china. and the also involves demonstrating a sincere willingness to cooperate and being open to collaboration in areas where both sides can and should work together and a good geopolitical expert and talk show hosts for the cvt and radio. thank you so much for your insight today. all right, that is going to do it for in this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila trans. thank you for tuning in. we'll see you again next time to figure out the ammo, the in the late 18 ninety's french. so it is led by general poll arrived in asia with the goal of expanding french control in west africa to the territory of more than shot. the sonia, i mean h

-china relations. given that, i would like to start the conversation with a relatively open-ended question to each of you. i would like to start with ambassador rudd. given you have written a book about the potential risk of war between the u.s. and china, i was wondering if you would give your assessment on where the u.s. and china relationship stands. if you are optimistic or pessimistic about a biden xi visit in november. >> thank you to the council on foreign relations for inviting me on this panel with two distinguished colleagues. both countries i know well. you ask a question about how i view the u.s.-china china relationship now. i am neither optimistic or pessimistic. as an australian, congenitally real estate -- realistic. i think we need to ground our analysis of the events of the last few weeks and the next few weeks. china is now much more powerful than it was in decades past. why do we have tensions in the u.s.-china relationship? china has moved from the margins of a global power to the

to come to china and report and to see china for themselves and report china in a very objective wayit's true we do have differences. even when journalists come to china, they see china in a way that's different from our expectations because we believe that china is like this, but they are portraying china in a different way, and that sometimes creates some difficulties, but that's not the mainstream of things. so china's open not only to the business people but also to western and global and international media. but there were some [inaudible] between china and the united states in some years before. and, you know, the chinese media was here in the united states labelled as foreign agents or foreign [inaudible],t was wrong. that was a difficult time between the chinese government and the u.s. government and the media. i hope that could be mended. also covering foreign journalists reporting in china, there's also laws andgulations. for example, in 2008, [inaudible], there was a lot of changes from the previous regulations which really paved the way for more accessible information in

to china and report and see china for themselves and for china in the reasons. it's true that we have differences, between when journalists come to china that do see china in a way that's different from our expectations, because we believe that china is like this, but they are approaching china in different way and sometimes create some difficulties, but the main strain of things. so, china is open not only to the business people, but also to western and global and international media. but there were some between china and the united states in some years before and you know, the chinese media was here in the united states, media, and the label, foreign agents or foreign missions and so, that's kind of between them as kind of a difficult time between the chinese government and the u.s. government. and working together on media. but i hope that that could be mended. and also, covering foreign journalists reporting in china, there's also laws and regulations, for example, in penalty -- right after the games there was a lot of changes from the previous regulations a

so therefore, china is policy on china. i'm trying to us felicia's involves expressing core concerns, making clear what do use these are non negotiable wrapped lines such as a supporting taiwan independence or you know, instigating the separation of china. this is definitely non negotiable. those are the rats lice of china. and the also involves demonstrating a sincere willingness to cooperate and being open to collaboration in areas where both sides can and should work together. and a g, a geopolitical expert and talk show hosts for the cvt and radio. thank you so much for your insight today. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs. i'm your host manila trans. thank you for 2 and again, we'll see you again next time to figure out the ammo the, the the because they already see here because they can scroll. so i'd be search and then use their email. you're just going to send them to the rules. the non see theory of racial superiority

and china. our job is to wage competition and to do so practically, to do so peacefully, but to wage competition because these are our national interests at stake. what makes this relationship complicated and complex, and doesn't render it to simplistic analysis, is the fact that we are competing with we have to engage china. president biden and president xi have agreed we have to work on climate change together. china is the largest carbon emitter in the world. we are number two and you have seen john kerry and his chinese counterpart working together. they have had 50 meetings over the last three years before they arrived together at cop 28 in dubai that just concluded. working practically together. they had 50 meetings over the last three years before they arrived together at cop 28 in dubai the just concluded. so we have to work together on climate change. we have to work together on fentanyl and that was one of the breakthrough agreements at the california summit between the two presidents.

belgrade china acquired it in 2018. the goran you total of which lives here in one of the most polluted places in all of serbia. for years he has watched his hometown be sold off. he complains that the serbian state has imposed no regulations on the new owners, and there was far too little information about the hold of me see middle sol assessment that mostly says we just moved over and left everything to them because it's like eastern serbia has somehow been sacrificed nichols, i don't know if it's because of chinese influence in international organizations or because they give us cheap loans for new highways and they go to put both of those ones that are driving around the mine. the scale on which china is building here becomes clear. the gold and copper are to be extracted as quickly as possible. gigantic new sites are being developed and access roads built all within ported labor. after their shift, the workers return to their logics. the hello. the mood seems good. no one speaks english. you're working here, though

or china, i never felt in china it was so easy to incorporate and work in china but i said there are interests and when there are joint interests, it is of course -- [inaudible] but there are things we can do with the u.s. and things we can do with china. >> just one sentence. the big transformation the last decade is that china has transformed a familiar country which held very few sovereign debt accounts around the world to in fact becoming a country which holds a huge number of bonds around the world. so therefore it is a transformation of china's status the last 10 years of the back of the road initiative and along with the lending programs by a number of china's development banks and a development bank among others, china investment corporation, etc. so therefore, it is a brand-new challenge for beijing which is how do we, as china, manage debt relationships with the global south? you've seen this played out in public forum and by sri lanka and else where. i think there is a huge debate underway in beijing under how this should be managed in the future. so this is a real time, l

oh is china? has some $8000000000.00 europe's about a quarter of the country's total debt. china is poised to become the largest foreign creditor in the entire western balkans. this is especially true for serbia . the no one knows what will happen if serbia can no longer serve as it stands. good, china use this scenario to demand long term access to serbian territory. the european parliamentarians have long been warning about growing chinese influence and about potential environmental damage by chinese run industrial companies. serbia is often suspected of having low environmental standards, lacks controls and the lack of transparency. a many you parliamentarians are not convinced that serbia is clearly committed to europe. the country has been a membership candidates since 2012. the concern is that if serbia becomes an e, u member states, china could influence european policy through the back door. one demand is that it's certainly a really wants to join the e u. it must become a less dependent o

it is the one chito china, mainland china. and i think when u.s. leaders say -- and use the word one china policy, oftentimes it is confusing to the public because it sounds very much like the one china principle that beijing wants to use. host: that is confusing. to your point about the united states wanting to maintain the status quo. antony blinken was at the world economic forum and ridley -- and reacted to the taiwanese election and talks about what it meant for u.s.-china relations. here's a portion of the remarks. [end video clip] -- [video clip] >> i taiwan we see a powerful affirmation of democracy, something that we congratulated the people for. and something that has been consistent now over many years. and that is the most important thing. but our fundamental interest and the fundamental interests of countries around the world is to make sure that peace and stability is maintained in the taiwan straight. any differences between beijing and taiwan are resolved peacefully. and that one of the hallmarks of success of the relationship betwe

what will china do play, what role will china play in this regard?et me drink some water first. professor schwab, you raised a very important question. now, artificial intelligence is a catch phrase. people are talking about it a lot and the generative artificial intelligence provided by chat gpt has discus love it, but there are also surprises and some fear in certain quarters. so, indeed, artificial intelligence is everywhere. it seems omnipotent, but people are still taking time to get used to it. like other technologies artificial is also a double-edged sword in that it's applied well, it can do good and bring opportunities to the progress of human civilization and provide great impetus to the industrial kind of scientific revolution. but at the same time, it also poses risks to security and to our effects. well, china believes that technology must serve the common good of humanity. it must do good and the same applies to artificial intelligence. there are two dimensions on most fundamental level. first, it must be people centered. to put plainly

so you're looking at china. so fiscal stimulus, i think you know, that over time is going to create jobs and jobs will boost the market confidence a confidence restored somewhat. that'll help to support consumer spending and the for the economy will pick up from their offer. and what about emerging economies? the brooks nations will countries like brazil and india play a much bigger role in the global economy going forward of the significance and give yourself the g. 20 and presentable. now who's the presidency of the 20 mozilla and your top 10 over the quantities and it was, it was an emergency energy power as well. i will be assigned to benefits for the next round, the commodity cycle in prison, energy prices. as when the supervisor, the civil, was in power earlier when he passed. if i probably will prices you would think leave the going account to raise, try out. you find most of ours, the us, you're trying their hardest to, a strong ties within the category to china. we've always in the views with canada whe

is that spending by china likely to slow now that china likely to slow now that china is struggling sofor a while when _ economically at home? for a while when china _ economically at home? for a while when china was - economically at home? for a while when china was doing l economically at home? for a . while when china was doing well economically, it seemed to make sense for the government to use the belt and road initiative and other initiatives to try to use its financial clout to also increase its geopolitical power around the world. so, at a time when china's receiving pushback from the countries it gave money to, and when it is not generating good returns on those investments, now that's happening at a time when the chinese economy itself is weak, i think we're seeing a reconsideration from beijing about the wisdom of undertaking such investments at such scale around the world. now for beijing, it has become very difficult to accept losses on its lending because on the one hand, there's significant economic costs, of course, to writing off those loans, but there's also the symbo

, but in china, it — you called a democracy, but in china, it is _ you called a democracy, but in chinat is very typical local election. for the result i think everything is expected. in fact, i would _ everything is expected. in fact, i would not — everything is expected. in fact, i would not be surprised by any revolt, — would not be surprised by any revolt, because we all know the dpp continues— revolt, because we all know the dpp continues to be in power, but the political— continues to be in power, but the political structure on the island will not — political structure on the island will not have a significant impact on stability across trade relations. mavhe _ on stability across trade relations. maybe in — on stability across trade relations. maybe in the future, there may be a storm _ maybe in the future, there may be a storm or— maybe in the future, there may be a storm or cooperation, but as i said, they are _ storm or cooperation, but as i said, they are just— storm or cooperation, but as i said, they are just processes. the final result— they are just processes. the final r

what do you think china's reaction will be? actually, i think it's a local elections of china.hy i think the china mainland is very, very calm. and, in fact, ithink the taiwan policy in china mainland will not change — at least the three points. first, china must be reunified, and it is bound to be reunified. no situation can split china. second, we want to reunify peacefully but do not promise to give up force. forces are to curb taiwan independence, not for the people of taiwan. it can be said to a certain extent that without taiwan independence, there can be no reunification by force. there will be no use of force. taiwan independence in the coming four years, so i think the process of using military to promote unification will be faster. no force can make taiwan independence. just to come back on you on that, we've seen democracy in action here in taiwan. free and fair elections, transparent election. does china have a claim over taiwan? i think you called a democracy, but in china, it is very typical local election. for the result i think everything is expected. in fact, i

because manju said that taiwan won't beat china anyway. ugh. this statement was enough, as well as ma's recent trip to china, to make hoi not want to see him at his campaign rally, even though this is a man who symbolizes the achievements and victories of the kuomintang, because he will say that we have different approaches to relations with china, so this is a consolidated position of the taiwanese establishment, the positions of the democratic party and the kuomintang do not differ much here, that is, both political... forces do not declare independence, and this is already china's opinion that the progressive party is more separatist, and the kuomintang is less separatist, because the kuomintang has its roots in the mainland, uh, and all these people who ran the chinese communist party, they were all members of the kuomintang governing bodies, and mao zedong, and zhonglai, all the founders of kener, they were in the kuomintang, it there was a general national such party, but the democratic progressive party was created on its own. and theref

now let's look at what will happen with taiwan and china. it's not anymore oil and gas, these are chips, semiconductors, semiconductors. let's imagine that the war between china and taiwan will move. on the territory of taiwan, by the way, the americans, as far as i understand, are now planning just such a war, because it is believed that there was an approach before, and it basically operated for many decades, which emphasized that the taiwanese naval forces simply will not allow the chinese army to the territory of the republic of china to taiwan, that the chinese will be stopped already in a naval war. there is no such certainty now. china has greatly modernized and... built its navy, and there is a danger that the people's liberation army of china will be able to land on the island, so taiwan is now turning into a fortress, a fortress on the territory of which there will be fierce fighting between taiwan and china, and the taiwanese are ready to this, you know, we were talking about khoi, who was a kuomintang candidate and lost that elec

, well, that part of china called taiwan, like here we will say. nataliya plaksienko butyrska, expert on east asia, master of foreign policy, we often see her, and we see her with pleasure, and we see her with interest, and we ask her. the presidential and parliamentary elections have actually ended, so to taiwan, this is such a formosa, it was once called a long time ago, the portuguese also called it, such an island near china, there east, and there at one time after 40, after their defeat, the masters of china fled, chiang kai-shek was such a generalissimo, and even more so, i would say yes, for general... understanding, for very long years until the 70s , it was taiwan that was considered china, i.e. the taiwanese sat in the united nations, not the chinese, not beijing, but taipei, but then somehow all this changed , and now china wants to take back this one, which means taiwan, and taiwan, judging by today's election results, doesn't want it, so this laitsinde vice... the president of taiwan, a representative of the democratic progressive part

taiwan is part of china, obviously reiterating china's belief in that.eiterate the point that taiwan is part of china, that these results are local elections and that unification will happen. but there is no mention of force in this statement. it says that the taiwan issue and achieving national reunification remains consistent and unwavering, their position on that, and they firmly opposed separatist activities. remember, they see the winner of taiwan's presidential election as a separatist. they see him pushing for independence, and that's something that they will not tolerate. now, i've actually been to the province that's closest to taiwan here in mainland china. we spoke to a number of people there, and they say that they feel that taiwan is part of their family. they feel part of one family. and that's certainly a message that china propagates, that beijing is continually pushing this message of familial ties, that they are one family and that one day they will be unified. but i think the message that the world has heard increasingly over the last

david: the issue, you do business in china. i call from china every day. we know what is going on.here seems to be a gap in understanding what is going on and if you ask, say, somebody in the west looking from the outside in, they are seeing it is a disaster over there. do you think there's a problem in terms of consistency in messaging? part of this might be somewhat of a pr premium taking place. >> i think it is more than a pr premium. it is actually facts rather than just looking at, whatever you call it -- pr or what you see in the news or in the papers. just look at some of the facts. the fact is actually 5.2% growth. the fact is it is investing heavily. in terms of the green energy transition, china is investing heavily, and it is a leading investor in green energy transition. if you look at industry 4.0, look at the focus on ai and technology, china is one of the biggest contributors in terms of all of these investments, which is critical in terms of delivering the quality growth agenda set by the china government. we heard from premier li as well lest we get davos when he s

, the east china sea, south china sea, yellow sea and what have you for the defense of china, the pla, navy is built primarily to defend china from attack from the sea, which is, of course, is something that happened to china repeatedly in the 19th century and early in the 20th century, being invaded from abroad. and so, for example, they have about 50 conventional diesel powered submarines, 90 odd small corvette s and frigates and an important to think about when you look at the totality of the western pacific is that if it turns out there's a fight appeal, a navy is not going to fight alone. they have the entire play. air force. they had the land base play navy, air force, and they have pla rocket there as part of a joint campaign on their their their part and they make sure they can all of those systems effectively with it of a really incredibly effective open ocean system. let me finish with a thought on everybody. ask how good are these guys? and i think the answer is we don't know for sure. again, the seventh fleet, i'm sure, keeps track what they're up to and what they're doing

i think china will interpret _ relationship with china?lationship with china? i think china will interpret the result l relationship with china? i thinkl china will interpret the result as relationship with china? i think. china will interpret the result as a failure _ china will interpret the result as a failure of— china will interpret the result as a failure of taiwan strategy. i think they will— failure of taiwan strategy. i think they will continue to continue their coalition— they will continue to continue their coalition towards taiwan. the united states _ coalition towards taiwan. the united states already sent a strong message to china _ states already sent a strong message to china i_ states already sent a strong message to china. i think we will continue to china. i think we will continue to observe — to china. i think we will continue to observe how taiwan and united states _ to observe how taiwan and united states and — to observe how taiwan and united states and china interact. we to observe how taiwan and united states and c

of china, they are also assessing what they should do for the china portfolio.ussed a few minutes ago. especially with there is a lack of attractive capital markets alternative. a lot of them are thinking about whether they should consider a sale of a majority stake or a strict sale to local players as well. these are the themes you will continue to see in china m&a. certainly the things that are keeping us busy. more mature markets like hong kong, there's the public to private privatization transactions, that's also happening a lot these days. annabelle: andsamson lo,l -- samson lo, and we will have more with the harvard kennedy school's cheryl lu. this is bloomberg. ♪ hello, brent. hi? if you had to choose, would you watch paint dry or compare benefits plans? compare benefits every time. come on, you know how complicated benefits can be. well, i run payroll with gusto. they make it easier to find benefits like medical, dental, and vision for my whole team. man, i think i'm going to need new glasses. don't worry. i've got you covered. yes! choose benefits witho

china retaliating by accusing the us of spreading misinformation. instead of addressing the public health crisis, the trump administration resorted to a blame game and leveling unfounded allegations. they claim that china was responsible for the spread of covid-19, politically motivated allegations that were never conclusively proved. why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? there are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against chinese americans in this country, your own... secretary azar says he does not use this term, he says ethnicity does not cause the virus, why do you keep using this? lot of people say racist, it's not racist at all, no, not at all, it comes from china, that's why it comes from china, i want to be accur with a great, i have great love for all of the people from our country, but uh, as you know, china tried to say at one point, maybe they stuff now. that it was caused by american soldiers, that can't happen, it's not going to happen, not as long as i'm president, it comes from china. western media played a significant

it is the one china principle that says that taiwan belongs to china, mainland china.hink when u.s. leaders say -- and use the word one china policy, oftentimes it is confusing to the public because it sounds very much like the one china principle that beijing wants to use. host: that is confusing. to your point about the united states wanting to maintain the status quo. antony blinken was at the world economic forum and ridley -- and reacted to the taiwanese election and talks about what it meant for u.s.-china relations. here's a portion of the remarks. [end video clip] -- [video clip] >> in taiwan we see a powerful affirmation of democracy, something that we congratulated the people for. and something that has been consistent now over many years. and that is the most important thing. but our fundamental interest and the fundamental interests of countries around the world is to make sure that peace and stability is maintained in the taiwan straight. any differences between beijing and taiwan are resolved peacefully. and that one of the hallmarks of success of the rel

contributed china.ome people argue is the largest emitter of greenhouse china should bear more responsibility in addressing climate change. climate is forced by current emissions. as developed countries contribute over 70% of the accumulated omissions, they should show greater r yet china is trying hard to make the sharpest reduction in carbon intensity in the world at achieve carbon neutrality on the shortest time spent in worldhistory. colleagues china's strategic goal i wasimple. that is to deliver a better life for more than 1.4 billion chinese people. to achieve it we are working hard to balance china's organization of president xi jinping recently stressedthe central -- out work work related to foreign policy, policy in the new era should aim at creating a more favorable international environment for china's modernization drive and building of human community with a shared future. and pursuing foreign policy of peace china the peaceful development into china's constitution. and recently have adopt

what was happening in china. but here's the here's the the place where it changes that eventually didn't work. and i don't actually think that tedros was is an agent of china i think that he was shaped by his long standing relationship beijing to try to get his in a way that they could accept. but what's encouraging about this is that when it didn't work, when the w.h.o. was not able to get scientists into for an independent mission to understand the origins of the coronavirus and and when he became more critical of china and they actually censored him his words china so he changed his tack he changed his tactics he ended up being independent then certainly the chinese government wanted him to be. so what what's the big takeaway here? yes, the chinese government can throw money at people. it can throw all kinds of loans and assistance at foreign governments, and that can often work. but it doesn't always work because there are independent institutions. at the end of the day, foreign government and actors there ar

you say the ball is in china's _ relations with china.h - relations with china. you say the ball is in china's caught with that regard, for all taiwan's good intentions saying they want the status quo, they don't want an escalation. if china sees this as being further pushed back and a further direction of taiwan perhaps towards america and the rest of the world and away from china? absolutely, i think we are waiting to see how china is going to react in the coming days or weeks. i think it is pretty clear that if china continues how it reacted to president tsai ing—wen's administration, they will basically not warm up to more party talks or possible moments of collaboration. while we await china's reaction to the results of taiwan's election, let's get back to shaimaa khalil and see how she is getting on down at the dpp headquarters where it has been an incredibly lively event all evening? been an incredibly lively event all evenin: ? . v been an incredibly lively event all evenin: ? ., �*, ., , evening? that's right. can i 'ust sa , eve

is not there, china is not there, china was not at the last meeting, in general china went once, ashinese partners explained to us, well, in order to better understand what, in fact, was there we are talking, apparently convinced that this is what is called completely in vain, i stopped traveling, but that’s not the point , anyway, let’s, again based on chinese views... don’t forget that any phenomenon has one side, and there is another side, indeed, the minister of foreign affairs affairs of switzerland, whom we just heard, said that without russia this whole discussion is just a waste of time, that’s all true, but let’s not forget that besides this he said something else, he said that everything - in these discussions, well, bringing the matter to the fact that in russia should participate in them, zelensky’s plan should be taken as the basis, but that’s it. it’s just absurd, i think everyone understands this, but nevertheless, no one dares to say it out loud, so everything , unfortunately, is not as, uh, let’s say, optimistic as we would like to think about it, this will last for

but she never felt restricted in china. you basically can do everything in china. probably it's not a really mm. free to talk to monitoring component taking china. but the thing is, we don't really talk about voltage because we don't the party, we just, we crossed over the government and we just don't talk about it. so it's not like, oh, it's 4 feet in. and we really wanted to talk about it. but it's for people, it's something that we never talk about way a claims, for example, not to know about the war and ukraine, perhaps or non political stance, explains why she seems to have no problem with surveillance. the celts, safer in china, because we have cameras everywhere and we face it. it's just we don't have homeless people. we don't have uh, we don't have a lot of crimes going on in china. so it's really, really safe to go out in china at any time, even if we don't have these cameras, we are like, um, the government doors. i don't know who, but everybody's watching us. even if we don't have the camera because we have over a cell phone, we have already a computer.

and by the people of china, the silver boys i'm to be going to come and make good. china will never allow taiwan to proclaim its independence, totally. it's all of its leaders dream of achieving the unification, while they're in power to leave their mark in the history of one country to systems, of course, or else there will be war. that's all how much do you talk to your children know your grandchildren about politics to, to me? well, it does not really if you were a task has children and grandchildren about their views. he might be surprised. 83 percent of taiwanese between the ages of $18.29 say they identify as exclusively taiwanese born after the end of martial law. this generation of millennials is more oriented towards japan, new zealand, or europe than china. the, they're not afraid to voice their opinions from they open the mock mainland china and it's heavy handed propaganda using social media and satirical videos. radios engine, hello and welcome to this foreign ministry. press conference for chinese and foreign media did. if i'm over you, what i told for bingo event change was

and russia is also helping china to develop a early detection system that will allow china to detect any missile launch from mainland united states. that gaines, china that will allow trying chinese missile to get in the air in time. and china also purchased a rush, s s 400 and air defense system in russia is helping to chide china to train, who still to be able to and, and the s s 400. okay. so is there's a lot of areas for operation. and most importantly, russia, russian military has getting a lot of experience in the serial war. and also in this spectrum, military operation, ukraine. so, so joint exercises between russia and china, it also helps the china to, to learn se, operational experiences from the russian military. now, now russia in china, operating routine patrols unable patrol through c of japan and all the way to alaska, you know, the news that the freedom of navigation is not useful to us navy, in the us basso states. you know, what's good, good for the goods. it's good for the dad there. so china and russia now are having their own freedom of navigation, put you aroun

so china's infrastructure developments in 2024. and i think it's very likely that the fiscal deficit for $24.00 is going to break the 3 percent of the thresholds. and so 2024 is likely to be a structure full year for china, not only in public infrastructure, but also in the affordable housing development projects in china is urban areas. meanwhile, the chinese government will continue to pump the billions of dollars into the strategic technological sectors from somebody, conductors to a i, to e, b, 6 cetera. so you're looking at china, so fiscal stimulus, i think you know, that over time is going to create jobs and jobs will post the market confidence a confidence restored somewhat. that'll help to support the consumer spending and therefore the economy will pick up from there often. and what about emerging economies? the brooks nations will countries like brazil and india play a much bigger role in the global economy going forward of the significance and give yourself the g. 20 and presentable. now who's the presidency of the 20 m

ought to be allowed in china.so on a fair, you know, and that's just one example because i only have a second. but on a level playing field, we will compete and we will trade and that is good. but on matters of national security, we're going to be eyes wide open about the threat. this is the biggest threat we've ever had. it's and we need to meet the moment. and so i think that we just you can cmunicate. you should communicate. you have to work together on things like fennyl and climate wherever we can. we have no interest in tension, no interest in escalation. the world needs us to manage our relationship with china responsibly, to avoid escalation. we got to do all that. but make no mistake about it. china is not our friend, and we need to be eyes wide open about the extent of that threat. is there anythg else you want to add before we finish this conversation? the only thing iould say, apart from the fact that i'm really pleased to be here, is a challenge to all of us to think differently. you know, technology

-china relations and ways to counter chinese influence. this is from the hudson institute. >> good afternoon. welcome to the hudson institute, i'm john walters. i'm pleased to welcome you here to this excellent discussion on china's influence operations in the united states and most importantly, how to counter beijing's malign influence. this event is the latest installment in the house intelligence committee series, an effort to try to talk to the american people in the open about some of the pending and important intelligence issues. make sure that we still have a government with the public is informed and able to understand what the problems are and what the solutions are. i want to commend eric shared today and hg this. i think it is something that is not done enough, that is, talking to the american people about important policy issues. as i said, we are joined today by michael waltz. he will moderate today's discussion and represents florida's sixth district. he's a decorated combat veteran, the first green beret to serve in congress

, that the minister of defense has been removed in china or shanfu for corruption, it was known , china the strategic defense forces, the missile forces, they were so corrupt that the missiles could not take off, this... this affects the public, i'm mad at the western public, i i see that russian bloggers are repeating this , not understanding that in fact the campaign of attacking china with negative information continues, if there is, of course, corruption in china, for which the former minister of foreign affairs was thrown out, for not very good tricks there since, as it seemed now not just one, but two journalists, one was in hong kong, the second in the usa, both chinese, at least the last one, he loves journalists. corps - in general it turned out to be a normal man, leshanfu was also a normal man, but it turned out that the entire leadership there, including e the general staff and the strategic force , they were mired in corruption, and not the kind of corruption that the united states, the americans, accuse, there is a different story, this is a completely different question,

because manju said that taiwan won't beat china anyway. ugh. this statement proved to be enough, as well as ma's recent trip to china, for me not to see him at my election rally, even though we are talking about a man who symbolizes the achievements and victories of the kuomintang. i will say that we have different approaches to relations with china, so that's it. the consolidated position of the taiwanese establishment, it does not differ much from the position of the democratic party and the kuomintang, that is, both political forces do not declare independence, and china already believes that the progressive party is more separatist, and the kuomintang is less separatist because the kuomintang has its roots in the mainland, uh, and all these people who ran the chinese communist party, they were all members of the kuomintang governing bodies, and mao zedong and john li these foundations in kener, they were in the kuomintang , it was an all-national such party, but the democratic progressive party was created in taiwan itself, and therefore it

says 2021. china, relieved to 23. i frequent country state and in 2022. china has successfully helped gonna restructure. he's that good to be turning those approaches works which on china, or is it the forefront to try to do something about it? you recognize? it's not down to the west of lending institutions. it's a black, a chinese trying to do, or would it con and i should say that it is not out out of altruism either because it is indeed and try this interest. that'd be so over a $140000000000.00 of debt to china. loans to africa does not go into default. however, i don't think we should use a plain game here because the reality is that africa in particular has been shot out of the global modernity. by not being offered sufficient to capital funding for the past 4 or 5 centuries. this is the moment where the west and china should join hands in providing massive capital infrastructure building to the roles and these, the developed nations. no country should be shot out of the world with modernity and economic prospe

in china, none of us were in china, obviously. that was only the underground railroad shooting and one family member of the family who we followed. we were able to be in southeast asia, but there were areas where someone could be but not someone else. this camera could be used, not that camera. it was -- >> how did they trust you as an american? the grandma says i was suspicious of these americans, but how did you work on it? >> for grandma, you could feel the sort of dialectic inside her. on one hand, every time she looked at me, she would kind of tear up. there was this kind of, she was grappling with what she has known to be true her whole life in north korea, which is that we are her enemy, and what she was experiencing in the moment, in the present. and it was this unfolding that was extraordinary. >> when we come back, we'll find out what happened to the row family. did they make it to freedom? stay with us. >>> more now on the film about north korean defectors. we're going to unfortunately d a bit of a spoiler alert, but th