the company's locally run access to the internet or internet service so we see countries such as china iran or russia or others to pressure operators locally to operate censorship so they do not need transcontinental links to do so but laying these cables is going to be hugely costly is there no simpler way to protect people's data from the prying fingers of the n.s.a. . well taking back control of a communication infrastructure is not something silly it really makes sense we can think of a kind of digital sovereignty that countries should be free to apply you know there to control from the cable to other key infrastructure but of course it is not enough i hope those governments along with laying down those new cables will for instance invest in new industrial policy is where they would foster the development of free software and decentralized services and then to an encryption to put back in the hands of their citizens ways of gaining back control of a technology with all the new cables in the world if people keep believing that they can trust google facebook apple and microsoft then they

lump ours sell pam with china iran and the middle eastern countries in terms of people there insisting on the death penalty other civilized countries all of europe. but only it does me. most of the other countries don't have a very dear it's a handful of countries that actually have. their mostly. repressive country politically so it does sense for four united states to be progressive paving and you know you talked about how the death penalty doesn't have the deterrent fact that it's promoted as having or advertised as having and you know in terms of vengeance it's not even all that effective the person vanishes they don't have to experience years and years in prison do you think that there's even you can even take it a step beyond that and say that because we have the death penalty because we have state sanctioned murder in the united states that we are basically creating a more brutal society that we become more brutal as a consequence of our having the death penalty that there's a negative effect on everybody who lives in this country. absolutely i agree with that totally you know l

on iran and iael and on china. lou: and he i vulnerable fuher and unlike the previous presid, with over a trillion dollars of our debt called by the chinese. and a lot of protests that emanates from white house i suppose, t more he would be he thks h would be offending our bankers that is sad. >> it is. you don't pick a fight withour banker, chinese are scared, they don't want to see their holdings in u.s. debt deval youked, and they are- deval youked. you.that would annoy me this president. he does noteem to have mh of a resnse toowerful arrival and opponents,e crushes the weak, of course. kt good to have you here. >> thank you. lou: more on china, iran and syria with the a-teaoming right up. stay with us. >> government shu dn day 14, coromise at hand ors one side surrendering? congressman john campbell with the view fro the house. next. bny mellon combines investment management & investmentserv, giving us unique insights which help us attract th indust's brightest minds who create powerful strategies for a countr

are hosting platforms against china and iran. come out in the snowden documents. we're sorry. we'll do the best we can. truly, this is the worst damage to u.s. intelligence i've seen 30 or 40 years and we're going to see people backing off from washington. and frankly we have to get to the bottom of this. what went wrong at the national security agency. too much information was shared and at the end of the day it will cost lives. >> up heard in jim's piece there's a question of whether this will jeopardize intel gathering. in your view will it? >> oh, absolutely. look if you're the british or french or anybody else and you have some top secret program, you're going to have second thoughts before you share it with washington. i just know the mentality. i've seen it. that's exactly what's happening now. >> bob baer thanks so much for joining us from colorado. we appreciate it. smoke fills the bus, filled with children on a busy tennessee highway. we'll talk to two passengers who managed to escape just moments before flames ripped r

whether we worry about china or iran or any other places, we seem to constantly call upon the carriers and the carrier task forces to do the job for us. is this the right time to be cutting carriers or cutting the navy or cutting the air force which is trying to some extent to work with the navy on these things? we have got to think differently about what we plan to do today and what we are planning for. i believe what we ought to be doing is thinking about how to get from here to there over the next few years until the money starts to come in again. not because there will be another war but because there will simply be more money there. we have to be very careful not to cut our noses off to spite our faces. that means thinking about efficiencies but not necessarily about things we want to cut. i will give you one final example. i have seen many analysts say we ought to stop spending money on what we used to call national missile defense. we should stop -- it hasn't done anything for us. yet this very administration which is full of people who have written and said that for decades, as

iran posses first meeting. the u.s., britain, france, china, and russia. one of the first things he said is he hoped iran and the west would be able to reach an understanding over its nuclear program in the future, confirming it fully supports the idea of a nuclear free middle east. ahead of the conference in indonesia, we heard from the iranian foreign minister, whose head he hopes they would be able to draw a roadmap. according to diplomats, they will be -- the meeting injured -- in geneva could be a test of the last. hampering seriously the negotiations. many are now raising the question, is israel more interested in reaching a constructive ending in the iranian nuclear dispute, or is it more interested in subverting national attention from itself. >> the number of comments before the conference put something of a damper on the hopes for a breakthrough. the prime minister said he thinks it would be a mistake to sanction when they are so close to achieving what they want to do in the goals. his thoughts were echoed by the top public and on the senate fore

the with the credibility of russia or china or iran those o are at odds with r interests.nical view of how dysfunctional we are there is a rather word for it to. people are watchinghis very aggressive and al qaeda is looking as well. am: katy mcfarland h been our guest issueut a recent trip to egypt b for the generals in powero stay in power they do not understandwhy the u.s. is cutting assistance to egypt could it be our best interest to do this? >> this just shows the dysfunctn the forgn policy. for several years they specialize in sending in consistent msages that is bad for farm policy. the capybara he was not a great guy but we deal with unsavory characters every better do that for our own. adam: and they were stable and at pace then we tosssin under theus pretty quick. then they realized tte muslim brotherhood was not all goodns en people caot in greater numbers to get rid of mor instead of mubarak but they saw what haened to they lose that continuing ability to say you have o backs. >> that opens the door f the russians. >> absolutely. >> to every corner of the glob

while we were worry about iran, china and north korea, a canadian shut down the u.s. government. well played, canada. >> meantime, host and musical guest, miley cyrus, poked fun at her controversial vma performance. next week, actor bruce wi willl hosts with musical guest katy perry. surprisingly, everyone said it was really good and her musical performances were spot on. >> she's an entertainer. you have to give her that. >> this is all leading up to the release of her album. public relations crafted, i guess you could say. >> well put. >>> the shutdown is not the only big political story right now. hot button issue that has protesters at cities across the country. >> to make the government health care website easier for to you access. >>> fire in a metro tunnel earlier today killed a metro worker. i got you white chocolate pumpkin. oh, please don't call me "pumpkin." no, white chocolate and pumpkin. oh! pumpkin. ha-ha! pumpkin is back at dunkin' donuts. hurry in for delicious pumpkin coffees and lattes today. america runs on dunkin'. >>> a deadly fire overnight in a metro tunne

were english government say these things only happen in china or iran or russia.nd now we can see the u.s. government is doing these exact same things. >> that wasn't glenn greenwald's voice that you mainly heard. glenn greenwald was speaking portuguese in the brazilian hearing. this comes as the obama administration seized the e- mails of fox news reporter james rosen as part of probes into the leaking of classified information. in may, president obama said he made no apologies for seeking to crack down on the leaks. >> leaks related to national risk.ty can put people at they can put men and women in uniform that i've sent into the battlefield at risk. some of our intelligence officers who are in danger situations that are easily compromised at risk. i make no apologies and i don't think the american people would expect me as commander-in-chief not to be concerned about information that i to compromise their missions or might get them killed. >> for more we go to washington, d.c., were re-are joined by leonard downie, author of this new report, "the obama adminis

basically they tried to help internet users in oppressive countries like iran and china have more online freedom. internet users say in china and syria can swap online identities with someone in the west. google users a browser extension that uses a proxy to do this. they swapped online identities. they call it a social networking tool. so let's look at what it is -- it lets people in the west to use google behind the censorship wall. >> flo, thank you very much. >> in football, the world cup playoffs, the european qualifying section was made on monday with france facing two- leg tie. it will have home advantage in the second leg. >> i don't know if it is the best draw we could have got. it could have been worse, that is true. we could have drawn countries like portugal, croatia, or greece, who know how to play in international levels. when you take that into account ukraine's have less experience and are not as well known. the pic of next month's matchups will see portugal face sweden. the coach is eric cameron. >> it is not a matter of being a trade but learning to respect opponents. p

>> well, i think that the winner for the week is that the shutdown is our competition, russia, china, iranadership moving forward with their agenda and the president is not even going to the summit in asia. the losers of the week are the taxpayers. if this is what our tax dollars are going to, this dysfunctionalty, we all deserve a refund and demand a refund. >> gold goldie. >> i was going to say senator harry reid may be my winner this week, but i think nobody may be my winner this week. >> good call. >> at the end of the day who's lost this week is all of us. these hundreds of thousands of federal workers who are now taxing the unemployment trust funds and their individual states and so this is really having a really harsh trickle-down effect that i don't think we're going to be able to overcome for quite some time. >> susan, quickly. >> best week goes to governor chris christie because he has nothing to do with washington. in fact, he used that as an example of what's wrong. and then the worst week goes to the gop. right now they are looking as the problem and not the solution. >> all r

out clearly, this is something you expect -- you expect china to spy on us, we're spying on china, russia, iran, north korea but when it comes to allies with each other and engaged in battling some of the same common concerns, for them to know we're listening to every move they make is very disconcerting. it's become very public. barack obama with the nsa issue domestically in the united states is saying, listen, americans, we're not listening in on your specific phone calls, trust us. chancellor merkel we're not listening to your specific phone calls, trust us. the problem is there is no more trust. >> how do you rebuild that trust? how do you rebuild? what are the consequences? >> the only way out is really along the lines i think germans and french initiated, which is a political discussion. the united states is an intelligence industrial superpower. we are so technologically advanced beyond any nation. germany can think it can block us but never will be able to do so. japan, you can go around, look at anyone that tried to put up a shell. the nsa is a phenomenal machine able to penetrate tho

whether we worry about china or iran or any other places, we seem to constantly call upon the carriersand the carrier task forces to do the job for us. is this the right time to be cutting carriers are cutting the navy or cutting the air force which is trying to some extent to work with the navy on these things? differentlyto think about what we plan to do today and what we are planning for. i believe what we ought to be doing is thinking about how to get from here to there over the next you years -- few years until the money starts to come in again. not because there will be another war but because there will simply be more money there. careful note very to cut our noses off to spite our faces. that means thinking about efficiencies but not necessarily about things we want to cut. i will give you one final example. say weseen many analysts ought to stop spending money on what we used to call national missile defense. we should stop -- it hasn't done anything for us. yet this very administration which is full of people who have written and said that for decades, as soon as north korea

the information could embarrass the united states or collaborate with countries such as iran, china or russia and to spy on friendly nations such as germany and france. james rosen has our report. >> barack obama swept to office promising to improve america's standing in the world. >> who is the person that will be best equipped to repair all the damage that has been done to america's reputation overseas? >> five years later america's reputation is suffering the worst battering since the iraq war amid revelations from edward snowden the nsa has been stalling on three dozen rolls leaders. the european parliament the sending of a delegation to for the legal remedies in brazil is holding a $4 billion boeing contract entered the debris is u.s. line the no spying pact with berlin and friends by the end of the year. >> we are experiencing hot awkward situations country by country and by leader. >> been a rhodes told the summit i don't thank you can say there has been across the border impact on foreign policy it is very unique circumstances. but brazil is that the more significant end of the

and other nations to spy on russia, china and iran. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto joins us from new york today. jim, all this i assume or the an least a lot of it edward snowden related. >> that's exactly right. that's the substance of the warning that you just talked about in the "washington post" story of the u.s. now warning other countries particularly innencetive areas that they're going to be more revelations. this is a real problem because for some countries cooperating with the u.s. is dangerous. we reached out to the national security council and this is how they responded. the united states takes the concerns of the international community seriously. and has been regularly consulting with its affected partners. we also heard today from the european union that angela merkel and others saying these revelations could affect their intelligence cooperation with the u.s. and, of course, we're talking about allies like france, the uk and germany among our closest partners in terms of cooperating on fighting t

iran, china, russia, anybody who poses us internationally, we can't trust. listening into germany, that's going beyond the pale. it's unnecessary. i've listened to german conversations before in the past. we don't care about their internal politics. they're very cooperative on terrorism. if we really needed answers, the president can call up something like merkel and ask her, preferably not on a cell phone, and ask her what's going on. he'll get an answer. >> so did it surprise you to find out that the u.s. was tapping the personal cell phone of the german chancellor? >> it totally surprised me. systemically like this, the president clearly knew. this isn't something you keep from the president of the united states. listening in on one of his interlocker its, it's a no-no in the intelligence community. somebody in the white house knew, if not the president. why didn't the president say, why do we really need this stuff? is it worth the risk? i think we know now the answer is no. >> i know there are certain situations in which the president of the united stat

iran has blamed israel for a series of assassinations. in china, another day of horrible air pollution. leading to flight cancellations and delays and causing headaches for vacationers on their way

your country and in saudi arabia is why the united states could afford to be so critical of iran russia china all those countries that truly have competing agendas but that never openly funded terror as let's let's be honest about that that never and never openly or covertly sponsor their terrorism activity against americans all around the world including on the our own home turf and yet you almost never hear the sort of criticism coming from the obama administration or from any other american administration well i take the idea of the saudis completely turning yes this is a wrong idea but i will correct you on one thing i think there have been public statements made about the saudis certainly their activities in the region for example when they invaded bahrain at the invitation of the leadership of bahrain they brought ten thousand sided troops in there the americans went nuts. and made enormously strong public statements about did they threatened to bomb riyadh they never threatened to bomb riyadh they never even cut diplomatic ties you know expressing your discontent is one thing but again

so while we were worried about iran, china, and north korea, a canadian shutdown the u.s. government. well played, canada. >> i love the 1-800-flowers line. that's a great line. >> by the way, the pentagon on saturday said it would call most of it's 350,000 furloughed civilian workers back to their jobs saying they're allowed to consider them critical to protecting national security. a lot of them are going to get back pay. congress did the right thing and voted for that. >> which brings us to the next story. talking about security. >> what on earth -- did you hear about this, a 9-year-old kid, 9 years old gets through security at the minneapolis st. paul airport on to a delta flight, flies from the twin cities to vegas. >> vegas, baby. >> without a ticket, a boarding pass, gets through security gets through the gate and on the flight and arrives in las vegas. finally questioned and stopped in nevada because on the plane the flight attendant started to wonder is this kid. >> he said his parents were toward the back. >> couldn't find the parents. tsa said the child was scre

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is it common for those not united states allies russia or china or iran it would be reasonable to concludeisten to the united states or leaders? >> it's reasonable to some -- yes. >> and has that information been made available to the white house? >> yes. has it been made available to the president of the united states? does the white house get national security briefings from the nsa? women nsa is one of the contributor. and often are those briefings given to the white house? >> virtually daily. how often if given daily how often does president of the united states attend the briefings? how often does the president attend the briefings? does he receive them personally? >> quite frequently. if this his absence which members receive the briefings? >> the rest of the national security apparatus the vice president and cabinet heads all receive variations but essentially the same briefing. >> and so would the national security counsel staff or the white house who deal with the country in question be made aware if there is any listening going on? would the national security staff or the white h

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we also agree we need to keep pressing china, india, turkey, iran, and there are small amounts of oil that still go to taiwan, that we need to keep pressing and we are all of them for reductions, but all 23 importers of iranian oil have either eliminated or significantly reduced purchases from iran, and we are left with only five major customers of oil. >> you continue to believe if those five major purchasers continue to scale back in significant ways that could be a very strong additional leverage point to help us with our diplomatic discussions surrounding the ronian nuclear program. >> without a doubt, though i would note particularly for china and i happened i can't, it becomes more and more difficult to do, because their demands are growing exponentially, even as they are reducing and i think i've use this had statistic in front of the committee before a given percentage reduction from china who is currently the largest purchaser of oil would be approximately equal to a volume reduction twice as large as the same reduction from india, three times as large as the same percentage

whether we worry about china or iran or any other places, we seem to constantly call upon the carriers and the carrier task forces to do the job for us. is this the right time to be cutting carriers are cutting the navy or cutting the air force which is trying to some extent to work with the navy on these things? we have got to think differently about what we plan to do today and what we are planning for. i believe what we ought to be doing is thinking about how to get from here to there over the next few years until the money starts to come in again. not because there will be another war but because there will simply be more money there. we have to be very careful not to cut our noses off to spite our faces. that means thinking about efficiencies but not necessarily about things we want to cut. i will give you one final example. i have seen many analysts say we ought to stop spending money on what we used to call national missile defense. we should stop -- it hasn't done anything for us. yet this very administration which is full of people who have written and said that for decades, a

result what's going to matter now this is iran's first meeting over its nuclear program with the world six powers which include the u.s. britain france germany china and russia since hassan rouhani was elected as the country's new president one of the first things he said is that he hoped iran and the west would be able to reach an understanding over its nuclear program in the near future confirming that tehran fully supports the idea of a nuclear free middle east now also read ahead of the conference in geneva we've heard from the iranian foreign minister who said that he hoped to be able to draw up some sort of a roadmap according to russian diplomats. the meeting in geneva has now become a true test of how constructive the west could be adding that economic sanctions on iran have been hampering seriously the negotiations israel would widely believed to have nuclear weapons many are now raising the question is israel more interested in reaching some sort of a constructive ending in the iranian nuclear dispute or is it more interested in diverting international attention from itself you've got this kind of r t brussels . a number of comments befo

condemns in places like iran and and china and elsewhere so this is the u.k. response to shut up the media care and it will also we see this coming out of the u.s. it's the media's fault i find it that they haven't done enough work but of course the members of the administration are saying you know you're being unpatriotic or you're not you're not defending the national interest well that's what media is supposed to do in the first place. peter this is absolutely not bluster this is dead serious because look at the economics look what's going on in the economics you've got the brics countries brazil russia india china and south africa that are no longer going to be denominating their international trade in dollars that's twenty five percent of international trade the fear that currencies are about to tag now this is the precursor of a currency war and currency wars are usually the beginning of world wars either we're going to get this corruption straightened out and we're going to get n.s.a. back on a leash or we're going to we're going to go down in flames ok

for instance, facebook and twitter in china are blocked obviously. iran as well. if we go by the numbers, then today in normal internet experience may one that is heavily control. the large numbers our users in this country. that's a really sobering question. in a way the stone revelation and the reaction, the american reaction to that, just what the nsa was doing and the way it was being interpreted now is making the problem worse. because it makes it easier for countries like china or russia to say, really, you are telling us not to spy? and twitter -- to which we respond, yes, really, we are telling you not to spy. there's a difference in kind. i think it needs to be repeated here public late, aggressively and very clearly. the nsa, you are not spying for commercial gain and they are not spying or doing intelligence operations to suppress political decisions. other countries are doing that. so if those countries are now feeling emboldened to point the finger at intelligence agencies in western democracies, there are still different. it's an important difference

can you describe what he goes all the way up to turkey rather than those are two iran or china? >> interesting question. there was a big debate about which way the oil would be exported after the collapse of the soviet union. it was in the interest of western states, particularly the --., to try to run the while run the oil out of the russian sphere of control. the state department was the key driver for the creation of this route. from the point of view from the oil companies, it would have been easier to run it through russian pipelines. there was a push to create an iranian pipeline, but it was the state department that drove the political requirement that it should be exported to the global market through a space with did not run during karen, did not run through china, and russia. they drove the idea that they should be pushed. it was not actually in the interest of the oil companies. the caspian sea is a significant area for the u.s., it has a green base their. >> when it was being developed pushed himy 1990s, and political spheres, it was talked about as being a huge new