. >> did you know about chinese's biological weapons program and the cpp's academy of military medical sciences. >> i can't speak to individual institutions and i would have to go back and-- >> sir, you're the secretary of state. this is important stuff. you can't tell if this is ccp is currently complying with the buy weapons treaty obligations, you can't tell us whether you know about china's offensive biological weapons program. are you familiar with the fact that, that the academy of military medical sciences worked with the wuhan institute of virology, received money from the united states of america, particularly the state department, the defense department, the usaid, the nih? are you familiar with that? >> as i said, congressman, i'm familiar with the fact that, as a practical matter there is little difference between purportedly private organizations and the state and the fact that there is collaboration or would be collaboration between this particular institute and the state including the chinese military is certainly no surprise. by the way, one of the-- >> one of the reasons it's p