for deng chao peng, i don't know whether you're old enough to remember as i do in the 40s and 50s, we were taught that chinese confusionism makes it very difficult to modernize and the chinese culture may not permi modernization. it doesn't work with modernization. but when deng went to singapore, here was ethnic chese locality that brought order, they had modernized, had a very good sense of history, it was clean and green, he admired it immediately. and i have no doubt that that encouraged deng to think if chinese ethnic people in singapore can do it why can't we? >> rose: lee kuan yew told me he sent a bunch of people in singapore to start studying what it was they did and to report to him. >> he did and i have great admiration for what they learned from lee kuan yew but they did the same thing to the united states in much larger... they sent similar groups to japan and many groups to europe as well. so it was not for enemies excloseive to singapore. >> re: i'm impressed even today about how the chinese simply... ere is this. there is this urgency. there is this sort of imperative to learn everything they