chip, something we were chapman. k the impact on talk about is the impact on british people not just in terms of protests, but in terms of the poundsin of protests, but in terms of the pounds in our pocket in particular for the middle east. of course, a huge supplier of oil . and of course, we are oil. and of course, we are dependent on imports because we don't have energy. so sovereignty, what could this israeli war and the broader ramifications mean for energy pnces ramifications mean for energy prices in britain ? prices in britain? >> well, if you're as old as me, you remember 50 years ago the strategic pre—emption on the yom kippur war, which led to the first oil crisis where oil pnces first oil crisis where oil prices tripled really over sort of months period , and the speed of months period, and the speed limits and uk motonnays were reduced to 50 miles an hour. and we had to caveat support to israel based on that. now we're not in that situation today because the main support of israel is us, which absolutely

so retired, we call you retired general chip chapman , former general chip chapman, former county. at the moment. >> former head of counter—terrorism. we had liam halligan earlier halligan in the studio earlier talking about the oil prices. now it might affect now this is how it might affect people this country this people in this country this winter if fuel prices go up. winter if our fuel prices go up. and liam told us this fascinating insight into the fact that of the world fact that 20% of the world world's goes through the world's oil goes through the straits hummus, which we're straits of hummus, which we're looking called it looking at here. he called it the throat of the global economy. chip it's this vulnerable pinch point . and that vulnerable pinch point. and that if iran closes the straits of hummus, that would have huge implications for us. are they likely to do that? and how easy is it? >> i would say it's unlikely. and i would say that from a geopolitical perspective. and that really to do with in that is really to do with in march this year, there was a rapprochement

chip chapman , if i if i >> okay.p chapman, if i if i can ask you , what do you expect can ask you, what do you expect from a america today ? from a america today? >> well, the unequivocal support of america is really there for a deterrence posture and deterrence posture and deterrence is capability multiplied by signalling, multiplied by signalling, multiplied by signalling, multiplied by your resolve. and the idea of that is to stop both hezbollah intervening and iran intervening and of course, to try and use their offices to try and do something about the hostages. now, this is absolutely a new thing. and one of the objectives of hamas is to sort of a theory of victory is to get all the palestinian prisoners released out. now, of course, the leader of hamas in gazais course, the leader of hamas in gaza is himself someone who was released from prison when the israelis released the thousand people for one of their own. that was gilad shalit a few years ago. this is a really complicated factor because 130 dead hostage

major general chip chapman now.y advisor as well to us central command, amongst many other things, major general chip chapman, thank you very, very much . well, firstly, how do you much. well, firstly, how do you react to the news that gb news viewers and listeners have managed to raise a stonking £112,000 for the royal british legion in just over 24 hours? what do you think that says? >> well, i think people care and it shows that people care . it shows that people care. >> and we've got this connectedness of people who should care about these things. no man is an island , in john no man is an island, in john donne's words. >> and we are diminished by the death of people if we don't care. and that's why, regardless of what happens in brighton with a sort of council or something, you know, empathy and understanding for the sacrifice of those who came before and those who still live with those traumas is something which should us all. should connect us all. >> yeah , absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolute

so joining me now is former head of counter—terrorism at the mod, major general chip chapman. o this issue . really, we're this issue. really, we're heanng this issue. really, we're hearing that police officers and counter—terrorism officers are warning about the influence of iran on protests here. >> well, the first thing is we've known about the iranian influence for a number of years. so if you go back, for example, two years to richard moore, the head of m16, who talked about an era of contested states and the top three were russia, china and iran, alongside international terrorism, and that iran has an explicit doctrine of conflict with both israel and the west. this was then further amplified by the head of m15, ken mccallum. we talked about literally the same sort of thing and that this is increasing in severity and complexity further to that, the head of counter terrorist command in february this year told us about 15 plots to kidnap or kill british or uk based individuals it considered to be enemies of the iranian state. and it was that that led to the iranian iranian

major general chip chapman , who the former chip chapman, who was the former head counter—terrorism headh indeed mod. thank you very much indeed for your time. really appreciate that. us the very for your time. really appreciate that. analysis us the very for your time. really appreciate that. analysis onthe very for your time. really appreciate that. analysis on whatery for your time. really appreciate that. analysis on what is latest analysis on what is happening in israel . happening in israel. unprecedented attack on the country there . you're watching country there. you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me, emily carvel. we've got lots more coming up. rishi sunak and italy's prime minister giorgia meloni have joined forces to tackle migration in what they're calling the european crime ipsis. we'll get the latest on that. ipsis. we'll get the latest on that . more to ipsis. we'll get the latest on that. more to come. you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's company right through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . channel people's. channel >

let's now speak to former head of counter—terrorism at the mod, major general chip chapman. f expertise in the military sense, but it's interesting there. i think sir mark rowley was comments on the use of social media, perhaps as a weapon in this continuing war. >> well, yeah, social media obviously goes across to the mainstream media and that can power lots of things. >> and he particularly mentioned hizb ut tahrir being banned, for example, in germany and not being banned here and hizb ut tahnris being banned here and hizb ut tahrir is interesting group tahrir is an interesting group because course , one of the because of course, one of the things that's spun of hizb things that's spun out of hizb ut—tahrir is al—muhajiroun and chowdhury. and we know, for example , that if you take example, that if you take a uneage example, that if you take a lineage through the muslim brotherhood, hizb ut—tahrir , brotherhood, hizb ut—tahrir, al—muhajiroun, which been al—muhajiroun, which has been banned and all its offshoots, we keep whack a mole. with keep playing whack a mole. with th

chip, let's just start chapman. t start with with the warning that that israel has issued. why do you think they issued this warning at this time? is it because that massive ground offensive is imminent , or massive ground offensive is imminent, or could it also be because of the diplomacy that anthony blinken, the us secretary of state, has tried to bnng secretary of state, has tried to bring to this situation ? bring to this situation? >> well, the first thing is we've still got precursor operations going on that is that the israelis seek to destroy the rocket launchers and the logistic bases for those rocket launches. >> and that's why i think you'll see those diminishing over the next few days . indeed, that was next few days. indeed, that was they used that sort of in 2021. operation guardians of the walls. they used geo intelligence linked to machine learning and supercomputing to satellite swarms, take out those targets in real time. so you've still got those operations going on and securing the home base that

chris, a real risk, though , chip chapman, security though, chip chapman, security expert , told us onwe would simply have no idea who the refugees were. >> and we already know that at least 25% of refugees who claim to be children aren't . and he to be children aren't. and he also said that hamas, rather than awaiting decimation , will than awaiting decimation, will simply dissolve into the civilian population and try and flee the country. how could we possibly know that the refugees we were getting into the uk weren't actually members of hamas? i think we could do a very simple thing by taking primary school children . primary school children. >> that might be the way that we could at least start the ball rolling, get an immediate reaction increase . reaction to this increase. terribly terrible situation. we did the same in 1939 when we opened our borders to 10,000 jewish children fleeing the. it's one of the most wonderful things our nation has done in its history. it's time for the same privilege for children in gaza. christine, we've got about 20s left with you, right? >> well, we