think about the wives of the former president such as bernadette chirac, jacques chirac cold her mummytood that she was the man who wanted them enter the elysee palace. she wanted to be a politician herself but because of her man, she couldn't go too far after he left office in the started again to build a local career. but she was presented to do anything because of the man who she was with. there is a difference between emmanuel macron and brigitte trogneux. he is the young one, she already had a career in the professor —— as a —— a career as a professor. she has the edge on him, many people thinks she was the one that pushed him that —— to bea she was the one that pushed him that —— to be a candidate. he said —— she said, think about how religion five yea rs said, think about how religion five years she is older, —— how we look in five years' time, she is older, now is the time for emmanuel macron to win because in five years' time i will be too old for that. that is one way to look at it. the other is that she has people saying she has created him. that as a way of seeing things cr

the press unanimously agreeing that chirac had been cast aside.2002, everyone expected him righte chirac but a far candidate moved to the second round. chirac refused to debate with the leader. >> i have refused him in the past and i will not accept a debate with him tomorrow. reporter: 10 years later, nicholas sarkozy faced francois hollande. >> as president of the republic, i would not call my prime prime minister an employee -- prime minister an employee. as president, i would always ensure my behavior is exemplary. reporter: on wednesday night, the seventh debate of the second round will take place. a brand-new jewel, which will certainly make its own history. traditionally french people turn into these presidential debates, but they are not influential on the results in round two, but this is a very different election we are facing this year. there are so many voters undecided still or tempted. this debate could really make a difference. host: you mentioned voters were tempted to not vote at all in round two, but many of them ichand in mill t

, we all went behind jacques chirac.end of the left and yet the left used to understand that binding together with liberals, and even neoliberals, against the fascist, racist, ultra—right, was a absolute duty. why have we changed that today? because many of his voters are going to go because they're anti—globalisation. i am anti—globalisation, but above everything else i am anti—racist and antifascist. and we should see eye to eye. macron is infinitely better by the way than jacques chirac was. he's the only minister i met during my tenure who understood the problems of loony economics in europe and tried to help greece not to crash. thank you very much. there is a contrast between the tory and labourcampaigns, in that theresa may is ahead of her party in the poll ratings, whilejeremy corbyn is below his party. meanwhile, many labour activists, of course, are enthusiastic about him and are campaigning hard in his name, as well as labour's. the corbyn supporting group, momentum, is out and about drumming up support. so is

, chirac refused to debate with him because he said there is no debate to have with the far right.candidate has participated in a debates, a key moment in the debate in france. it will be interesting to see how emmanuel macron, the outsider, the former banker, pro—european candidates, will handle this debate tonight. it will be the occasion for both candidates to voice their programme and try to convince voters to turn out on sunday, but of course we will see what kind of performance they will be having. it is a bit of a gamble for both candidates. whether it will have an impact on the last—minute decision of voters, we will know very soon. we will keep you across that story throughout this hour. thank you to thomas fessy. theresa may has launched an attack on brussels — shortly after she attended the dissolution of parliament before the general election onjune eighth. brexit negotiations are central to the uk election campaign for all the main parties. here's some of what she said. whoever wins on the 8th ofjune will face one overriding task, to get the best possible deal for this

first and second round, there was criticism of emmanuel macron marathon 2002 criticism of jacques chiracy didn't wa nt to —— sudden splendour. they didn't want to have the front national in the palace so they didn't vote for him by choice, and some people, a lot of people decided not to vote at all. in terms of the voting rating, emmanuel macron arrived first, then spoiled ballots, and then marine le pen. the day afterwards was elected. there were people protesting against emmanuel macron as president. there was something important about that. it happened in 2007, when sarkozy was elected. there were people in the street pops protest against nicolas sarkozy. there is something, some would argue, that is being lost in the respect that you have to give to the function of president. if, even before being installed as president, he can be challenged, you can say of him, i don't want him, i wa nt can say of him, i don't want him, i want him out. get rid of him. he was just elected freshly. so some people are very wary of him. in the first round, john luke melenchon was in the far left and did

la pen got in second round in 2002, he got 17% in first round, and 18% in second around, jacques chirac beat him 82 to 15. she doubled the vote her father got in 2002. most extreme parties may bump along for a while, at 3% or 4%. front national is being spring ended overtime, the fact they will change their name shows they will try more to be mainstream, i have to say, condi is right, she had a big impact on the debate in this election the next important thing is parliamentary elections that take place next month. look, macron is a socialist, he basically saw that as you said, hollande ruined the socialist party brand, i think that old socialist will flock to husbander. he could e-- his banner, he could emerge with the parliament party. the they have been working hard to parliamently aseconds, they become up with a center right majority in parliament, if you believe that macron is an empty suit to begin with. the problems are there. lou: do i know you correctly? that we should all be grateful then that angela merc merkel is running the eu. >> it pushes it today its ultimate demise, la p

. >> jacques chirac, i mean we don't have to share his view. many have a legal vision that is different on the matter. and everything that lightens the responsibility of the vichy regime is in my view unwelcomed. so once again to make that utilization -- >> you tried to use that. that you opened that topic. >> it's pretty revealing of what you've been doing for a week now. >> and it certainly hurts our fellow citizens who are jews. >> but that utilization speaks volumes about you. >> you talked about it. it's a journalist you probably didn't choose. >> i don't choose journalists. you can choose them but not i. >> let's move on to security in a broader sense. you're both saying the same things about zero tolerance. what is zero tolerance? >> zero tolerance is every time a crime is committed, there has to be a penalty. it must applied. it is in large part today. well, sentences can be replaced on a number of measures, the bracelet, to have to go see the judge from time to time. maybe we can talk about the --sequences of that lacks lax situation.

okay, chirac didn't manage to push forward, sarkozy. >> maybe reverse that. >> exactly. i think the germans are actually -- a lot of my german friends tell me it's a lack of 'ta appetite of a nation to boost itself. they're hoping. >> for the washup of politics here, and the votes, many of them may have been melenchon voters. don't forget, voters about 7 million of them, needed to rally behind macron. some of which have come across in a strong mandate now in last night's washup of the victory. those voters may go back to melenchon which will be an issue, perhaps for macron, as he tries to push policies through. >> we're going to hand it back to cnbc, but in the center right party, what do they care about, what alliance do they form, if need with with macron, or do they try to differentiate them we'll try to answer one or two of them. >> steven and karen, thank you for that. the discussion what we've seen from the u.s. from president trump, in this country, the population has been guided more so than before the election, the first 100 days. of course, that's always a risk

that is far from 2002 when the father of marine le pen was in the running against jacque chirac, whohan 80%. vonnie: what are people waiting for here? how will either candidate change the minds of undecided voters? caroline: the big unknown is what will melenchon voters do in the rock. this is the far left wing candidate. he was close to making it in the first round. he had around 19.5% of the vote. melenchon voters are now waiting for the runoff. electric thirds of his in the first round could either vote for needank of the candidates in the runoff. -- neither of the candidates in the runoff. marine le pen joined forces with another patriot or nationalist as she calls him. she does not plan to leave the euro. that is the strategy of marine le pen at the moment to try to forget about her plan to leave the euro because she is well aware this is a way to extend her base. mark: thank you. we will see you soon. let's get to brexit. of -- accusing britain may recognizing that brexit will not be easy. junckerer between mr. and theresa may last may. disastrous as this were not? >> i don't k

with jacques chirac it was right wing territory.er one nor the other, he has gone somewhere where he thinks is neutral, the area in front of the louvre has no association is one way or the other. you could say it has royalist connections! but for some reason or another it is not deemed to have any associations one way or the other, at least, that is the way he is spinning it. if he had gone to the bastille or the east of the city would be seen as the left wing territory and broadly, it is in line with his new moderate centre. says scenes of celebration is down there at the louvre. how many people do you think in the suburbs, how much will they be celebrating this evening, given that if the polls are right, marine le pen has been defeated? the whole country is not very fond of this election. it began with hysteria and corruption cases. people were told it was a matter of fact. 60% of people voted from macron because they had no other choice. the country is deeply divided along racial lines. the difference will not be as big as in 200

versus chirac. but definitely, they have to change the party.hink that if madam le pen is losing the parliamentary elections, believe me, we can already predict that it will be a big fight inside the party, big reshuffling. and i could already hear the niece of marine le pen, mario mi michelle le pen. >> and we've seen mr. macron received an endorsement from former u.s. president obama. does that mean that his relationship with the u.s. is likely to be strong or strong since obama and president trump were strongly opposed that mr. macron is on a path to clash with president trump? >> mr. trump on one hand, mr. putin on the other hand, sent messages to mr. macron saying we are ready to work for you. and mr. putin saying we hope you're willing to end the bones of contentions we have together. but let me tell you, it's been organized by a former french journalist based in washington. and who knew obama very well. great relationship with obama. and as she works now for macron. she's the one who organized the whole scenario of obama definitely backin

debates. 15 years ago in 2002 when jean—marie le pen went into the run—off, his contenderjacques chiract time that a candidate has accepted to hold a discussion with a far right candidate, tonight marine le pen. and of course we anticipate some kind of animated discussion. it is a key point in this campaign, they have much to convince, both candidates will be trying to convince voters to turn out on sunday. a lot of people you know are saying they cannot identify with either candidate. and so they're planning to abstain or stay home. so that will be the last chance for both candidates to convince these people to turn out. 0bviously both candidates to convince these people to turn out. obviously a big challenge for the manual macron, a lot of people think he's young and does not have the experience. tonight is the possibility for him to prove them wrong. a big night for a manual macron. thank you. i have forsworn polls but i'm going to fall off the wagon. i have not seen a to fall off the wagon. i have not seen a poll yet which puts a manual macron less than around 20 points ahead of mar

when marine le pen's father was in a runoff with jack chirac in 2002, her father got only 15% of the vote. she is set to get around 40%. so this is a political party, a far right political party, that is doing better and better. >> thank you so much for being with us. our thanks to philip krouter and jeremy bash. i'll going to go home and practice my french accent. >>> coming up, steve kornacki back by popular demand. at our big board with the high wire act in the senate on health care. >>> everywhere we look, obamacare is collapsing. the house bill is a plan that will save americans from this disaster and replace it with more choices and more freedom for american families. most importantly, it will be great health care and your premiums will come down and your deductibles will come down. so you will have better health care at a lower cost. >> that was president trump today reiterating his guarantee that under the gop health care plan premiums and deductibles will go down. but this plan has a long way to go. msnbc's steve kornacki is here. navigating the republican factions in the se

chirac repeats the script back to him when antonio asks were among noting the lapse in memory. and well i'll tell you freighted me about my monies. still haven't wanted with a patient chart. you call me ms. believer and spit upon major scabbard dini and all the use of that which is my own. well then, and now it appears need my help. it is interesting shylock is the one doing the reminding here. the fact that only some people have to negotiate race all the time, the, africans and non-christians had no choice but to think twice about what they say and do. if race remains a script in contemporary life, shakespeare's play show us not only that it exists, but part of its power resides in the fact that some people have no option to ignoring. number seven. he knew that word can do almost anything. we've been talking about the art of rhetoric and improvisation. they are filled with moments for an improvised their work he or she is cornered talking with angelo and a fellow accused of the senate and find a way to turn that situation. they do something with words that were very special. t

entire left united behind jacques chirac to say no to the front nationale. key moment in the campaign, the televised debate that a lot of french people are waiting to see before they make up their mind on sunday. thank you very much. this cloud is working into the midlands and will spread westwards into wales and the south—west as well. this cloud is producing some rain and will feel cold under this area of clyde. farther north and west, there is plenty of sunshine but windy across the top of the pennines. this evening and night, the southern half of the country will stay cloudy with spots of rain. it will feel quite cold but not enough for frost. the skies will be clearer father lost —— further north and we could get some frost. into friday, the south keeps the cloud and the best weather will be further north. this is bbc newsroom live. the headlines: the eu chief negotiator, michel barnier, says the eu must honour its commitments, but there'll be no punitive brexit bill for britain. there is no punishment, there is no brexit bill, the financial settlement

when marine le pen's father was in a runoff with jack chirac in 2002.f the vote. she is set to g around 40%. so this is a political party, a far right political party, that is doing better and better. >> thank you so much for being with us. our thanks to philip krouter and jeremy bash. i'll going to go home and practice my french accent. >>> coming up, steve car knacky back by popular demand. at our big board with the high wire act in the senate on health care. t geico... you know, geico insures way more than cars. boats, motorcycles... even rvs! geico insures rvs? what's an rv? uh, the thing we've been stuck on for five years! wait, i'm not a real moose?? we've been over this, jeff... we're stickers! i'm not a real moose? give him some space. deep breaths, jeff. what's a sticker?!? take a closer look at geico. great savings. and a whole lot more. there's nothing more than my vacation.me so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation, in case i decide to go fr

like with chirac in 20002, we have people elected whose only merit is they are against marine le pen's careful it is going to be a burden for emmanuel macron as well. hugh, we are looking at the events that are taking place. the military parade marking 8th may. this is a significant daishghts but across france, do people think of what it means when they take the day off on 8th may? i really don't think they do. a few years ago there was talk of uniting the war holidays of france because there is a !!th november as well and turning !!th november as well and turning !!th november intoa november as well and turning !!th november into a memorial of all re ce nt wars november into a memorial of all recent wars which would include the first world war and the second world warand wars of first world war and the second world war and wars of algeria and china and so on. that never happened because there was resistance to losing holidays, not surprisingly in france and so 8th may remains a public holiday. you ask people and they're puzzled about what it is all about and as time goes by and memo

in paris is the former prime minister of france dominique de villepin, who served under president chiracus. your thoughts on where france stands after yesterday's elections? thoughts on where france stands after yesterday's election57m comes to many french people as a surprise but it is also a fantastic victory for the french democracy. i think also a real opportunity for europe. we are quite excited about this new presidency. of course, there are some conditions to make sure that this presidency may be a success. sure that this presidency may be a success. first, the ability of emmanuel macron to fully restore the french presidency which has been downgraded over the years. the second condition is that he may be able to gain a majority. if he does this, then he might really be ready to open a new chapter of reforms in the country. and then, if france proves his ability after the election in germany, in september, to rehabilitate the franco german couple, we need to be able to change and reverse the start policy that germany has been deciding over the yea rs. germany has been deciding ove

the others being jacques chirac. emmanuel macron and they all chose to make angela merkel their first foreign dignitary to visit after their appointment. this couldn't be quicker. just 2a hours after his inauguration in paris yesterday. yes, this of course, will be a key relationship within the eu and mrs merkel has already said that she is going to approach talks with emmanuel macron in the spirit of openness. emmanuel macron is known asa openness. emmanuel macron is known as a very passionate europhile, and very pro the eu and he spoke during his inauguration speech at the weekend about wanting to deepen european integration. well, emmanuel macron's campaign platform included calls for a eurozone budget as well as a finance and economy minister for the sub—set of eu countries that use the euro. he has campaigned for a buy european act and for more european integration on defence and security supporters at his rallies could be seen supporters at his rallies could be seen waving blue and yellow eu flags alongside the

francesecond round, overwhelmingly voted in favor of conservative jacque chirac. in early 2011 she was named to lead the party, aiming to bring them into the mainstream. she said about rebranding it, distancing it and the party from her father's negative image. >> whether you're a man or woman, christian, jewish or muslim, heterosexual, homosexual, you are first and foremost french. >> should bandits skinheads are rallies and ejected members caught eating openly racist. since then the party has made significant electoral gains, from the local level up to the european parliament. however marine le pen's leadership style without tension with her father who would be his statements about the holocaust. >> jean-marie le pen needs to show some wisdom. he needs to accept the consequences of the trouble he himself has caused and maybe even and his political responsibilities. >> those political responsibilities ended in no uncertain terms when later that year le pen kicked her father out of the party. while he publicly disowned her, she had free reign to reposition the nat

chirac went against marine and had tother figure out what their mandate actually was.our advice to macron with that in mind? >> it is different. jack schrock was at the end of his career while emmanuel macron .s very open-minded he a vice i could give is carry-on. he was unknown two years ago. nobody would have expected what happened. he has been the winner yesterday hist and had to implement program. he has convinced the french and they have to vote for the 577 candidates who are going to be presented to the general election in june. where on the political spectrum do you think that individual will fall and you have any names in mind. macronink that emmanuel has been trying and successful. coming from the left side and the right side, going to choose a prime minister with a profile sympathetic to the right side of the voter so i would not be surprised that he chooses someone coming from the center-right. the people have been supporting him among the people who are also experienced in managing parliament affairs and expenses -- experienced in governing. he will choose

then along came jack chirac. he said during a speech at the hague in november in 2000 that kyoto, quote, represents the first component of an authentic global governance. canadian prime minister steven harper once dismissed the u.n.'s kyoto protocol as a socialist scheme. it was also said, the real goal is to change the economic development model and -- for redistribution of wealth from some nations, poor nations to wealthy nations. so those are some of the original remarks that people have just forgotten about. the last thing i'll mention because i think it is significant, i remember going to copenhagen. at that time the person who was the head of the e.p.a., an appointment by the president at that time, was lisa jackson. lisa jackson -- actually, we became pretty good friends at that time. she had one problem. she had a hard time saying things that weren't true. i asked her a question. i said, i was a feeling, once i leave tow town, you're going toe up with an endangerment finding. she kind of smiled. so i knew