it does not fit in with the teachings of the chiron or the profit, but there is another way of lookingt religion and using it to improve their lives. that brings me to the final point. unless we support good governance in these countries, all is lost. if we continue to work with autocratic regimes and technocrats and look the other way because they are serving our purposes, we have defeated the whole enterprise. >> i just want to piggyback on that for a moment. if you look real-world over the last 30 or 35 years at the iranian revolution and regimes that have actively propagated this idea of islam which is at odds with most people, the three that come to mind or pakistan, saudi arabia, and iran. the larger significance of getting that reorientation you just spoke about outside of pakistan's borders is precisely that, this perversion of islam. >> but there is a difference. i want you to correct me if i am wrong. iran and saudi arabia are doing this as a matter of, not national identity, this is a national, political agenda that is wrapped up with religion that has a lot to do with the i