the way i see pete buttigieg is something that is very chon in t -- common in the democratic party and we've seen it in the past, which is we see a young, fresh face come up from the party and usually become the nominee. i'm not saying he's going to be nominee, but if you think about clinton, carter, obama, i wonder if that's what's happening. i wonder if voters are thinking, wow, this is someone new. this is an outsider. he's bringing something different to this primary. so that's kind of how i see the buttigieg playing in this space. >> i wonder, though, if he is -- to be in that outsider, something different role, do you have to have rougher edges than pete buttigieg? do you have to -- because he speaks in entire, fully formed paragraphs. >> yeah. >> and he speaks in language that is always designed to, you know, to encompass people, not to offend people, to bring people -- >> i think the paragraphs are so perfectly crafted, and i think people are tired of the twitter president. >> no, absolutely. but i just wonder if when people say they want authenticity these days, do they want s