can find anybody speaking negative about you is the chairman of the police, the union, who is chris baughman nyc so irritated? >> guest: that is just chris. that's the way he is. if you look back when chief ramsey was the chief, he did exactly those same things and i have compared articles that have used the exact same quotes and uses about me. that's the type of leadership that he does. he likes to constantly attack management and me. c-span: were you a part of the union? >> guest: yes, of course. i don't even think of my department as union and nonunion. his job is a union chairman and his philosophy is to attack. and i don't think chris personally doesn't like me. i just think that that is his -- that is his style. c-span: i read a quote that this is an administration without honor and the leaders are out to enrich themselves at the expense of the public. >> guest: yes, that is just chris. i mean, i look back at some of the articles and he has them all up on his website he attacked chief ramsey. lindsey fired back pretty hard. i don't get caught up tonight. i can't let his tactics result