with me now, chris cabrera. good evening, chris. how do we know, one, whether the kids coming in aren't already gang members and, two, that they are recruiting for new gangs members? >> yes, judge. how are you this evening? we do know that they are coming in as gang members. we do interview them and a lot of times they are proud of what they are doing and proud of what they are in their gang ties and usually the gang tattoos are a dead give away. they are very flash she and gaudy on their face and neck and when they are questioned they will admit that they are part of an ms-13 gang. >> chris, let me ask you this. is there any way to categorize or create or document some kind of file that identifies the name of an individual and the location of tattoos? i know when i was a d.a., i had a whole intel center where someone said that the person who raped me had a tattoo. >> we do have gang units that are released into the united states and even though they are documented as a gang member in their file, at the end of the day we are still r