rightly or wrongly there is the story about strap being the dog to the top of the car in the cage. chris: up to montreal. >> it is the second thing that was mentioned. here is a guy who put the dog in the cage and travels on airplanes. drives to canada our parents did, all the time with the dog on the roof. are we talking about? >> we are just saying healthcare. >> i was going to say that. chris: the dog on the roof. >> i remember interviewing romney when he was governor of massachusetts and talking about healthcare and other issues and he impressed me as a really smart, together reasonable guy. chris: why don't people get excited? >> because they don't know what he believes. >> that explains why there is a pawlenty in the race. people say pawlenty is the non-romney. if you can't take romney and not a tea party you have to go with pawlenty. >> i think the best line on romney is john stuart who said he likes -- looks like the guy that fired your dad and his career was firing people. >> say pawlenty is the second choice so he could be the tortoise in the race. chris: let's put it to the ma