i had the opportunity to sit down with chris chapman, who's the executive director of the african-american initiative within oakland unified. and when he talked about the young black men he worked with, he talked about them as kings. kings in our community. that we need to take care of kindergarten through high school and through college. and that's really a cultural shift. you know davon isn't -- doesn't exist in a vacuum. you can go to oakland. you can go to baltimore. you can go to brooklyn. or you can go to south los angeles. and we see the same story. so it's really not just about what's happening with schools. it's about awakening our collective consciousness to know that this is a tragedy that we no longer can tolerate. >> marian, what do you say to a mother and a father, a family that loses somebody who's 14 years old? what do you tell them? >> i think the first thing we do is we receive their story. we honor their story. we don't come in with an easy answer. so people -- sometimes people come in with easy answers and say it's going to be okay, this is going to go away. it's not go