as far as the lane to get there, not so sure. >> chris christie has been very critical of ron desantis's not a conservative, because of the spat he's in with disney when he got outflanked by disney, christie said to not have foreseen disney was going to do what they did in response, to completely take over, it's not the guy i want sitting across from president xi or sitting across from putin and resolving ukraine. desantis got outfoxed by the mouse. so, does christie have something there? >> i tend to agree with the former governor on that point, but this point, the lane to take on donald trump if you are an anti-trump person is a very small lane and the problem with many of the anti-trump individuals, chris christie, i would say, former ambassador nikki haley, all of them were part of the trump administration so you can't have the trump accomplishments without having the word trump in them, and so you can't say i don't like the president but i want to take my accomplishments from the trump administration and i think that's where they all struggle. when you bring ron desantis, he was i

>> there you are, sarah. >> i have to agree with her 100%, she is right on the money i think chris christie a step back and find another day job. steve: exactly, you're both right is very pugnacious and is a pretty good pundit but the idea, the other one i said at the beginning of the show not worth talking about asa hutchinson getting in the race, honestly why. >> because is not governor anymore nothing else to do i think the governor of arkansas will be president one day and sarah huckabee sanders i'm ready for her to run. >> absolutely i think it governor huckabee sanders is amazing in her thick wishes done for her children's education in the state of arkansas is going to lead the way for the rest of the country she really believes in school choice and she really put the hammer down on these extreme teachings especially when it comes to crt and everything else i think people respect her and look up to her and she has a lot of time ahead of her, she's very young and a lot of time ahead of her. i'm sure the people of arkansas want to keep her. >> you mentioned book sales earlier, let's see

which also said to run desantis is looking everywhere awkward and angry and who can forget went chris christiening the challenge on the incumbent governor what they release they sent out to two very quickly react, you remember quite route for. >> christie threw his weight around at u.s. attorney and got off easy. if you did not pay your taxes, ignore and ethic laws would you get away with it? chris christie one set of rules for himself, another for everyone else. neil: 's assault got to stop that's all i'm saying it's nuts. click submit make one quick point. he lost he out stepped thierry and add like that and got his clock cleaned because chris christie kept talking about we need to stop this spending. we need to stop the tax increases and we need to put our fiscal house in order and that was the winning a message against trash like that. neil: i hear but this environment would be for winston churchill. to become a world-class leader one of the greatest of the last century. he was a little overweight. i like to call calorically challenge but this stuff is got to stop. next line with the let's

predecessor turned down prosecuting these alleged crimes. >> steve: what do you make, morgan, of chris christie'ses if he were to enter the race as president? i'm laughing. i'm giving it away. >> with all of their respective governor christie will do asntly well as his book sales recently. >> steve: there you are, sarah? [laughs] >> i have to agree with her 100% with morgan. she is right on the money. chris christie should take a step back and find another day job. >> steve : exactly. but you are both right because he's got this, you know, is very -- i think he is a good content. i said at the beginning of the show not really worth talkingnsn about asa hutchinson but getting in the race, obviously, why?. >> i guess because he's not governor anymore and there's nothing else to do? i think a governor of arkansas will be president one day andck that iabs sarah sanders. i'm voting for her to run. >> steve: what about you, sarah? >> absolutely. i think governor huckabee sanders is amazing. i think what she has done fordrn our children's education in the state of arkansas is going to lead the way for t

well, maybe chris christie will be an exception to that. d any positives for christie if he's the one brave enough to take on trump? >> he's particularly a long shot part of the trouble is he's always been shunted aside to this lane where he's the trump critic but also trump's arguably most important endorsement in 2016 he's still trying to find exactly where to fit however, christie's message which is that candidates should bluntly call each other out on the debate stage in the press and be clear why it is they are running for president and that should have some influence and chris christie himself does not need to be the front-runner to impact the campaign there are plenty of people who think he may have single han dudley wrecked marco rubio's campaign that can have a huge impact on race >> christie fell in line during the trump presidency even helping him prepare in his general election debates against joe biden. let's shift to capitol hill and what we discussed about speaker mccarthy and his quest to get enough votes to get the debt ceil

then i went back in time to remember chris christie himself, who was the target of democratic, you know being challenged by christie for the governorship. i want you to look at this. >> christie threw his weight around as u.s. attorney and got off easy. if you didn't pay your taxes, ignored ethics laws, would you get away with it? chris christie, one set of rules for himself, another for everyone else. >> neil: you know, i don't care how people feel about these candidates are points of view, i get we all have strong positions, i get some hate mail -- quite a bit of it, actually, from people who will somehow think that i am overweight, and i told him the camera adds 100 pounds, it's a well-known fact, hello, but my only point in saying this is, it's childish. it's just stupid. it is insulting, not only, you know, to push ads and promotions like this, but to think the american people would buy it or should be exposed to it. i know i am naive. i just find it... >> you know, neil, i think in our back and forth we were talking about this kind of historical thread, going back -- even dr. taft

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so even chris christie ran trump's transition. he benefited from advice from people like mack mclarty and others who were violently opposed to trump president, but basically that we should help the trump in case they win. and that's the spirit of the traditional transition, which trump upended. right. so the buy you would say from the parties trying to speak generally about republicans and democrats and and the hierarchies in those organizations the buy the buy in has that changed kind of from transition to transition or not. there's been total buy in outside of trump trump changed. so i'm hoping that we can go back. nancy's original question appeal to the better angels of our society and get back to the norms of bipartisan cooperation regardless of who wins. but i do think it's interesting because the people who are involved, the partnership for public service on the republican side, are really relics in the party now. john, i mean, it's like it's like romney people it's bush people like are, you know, jim jordan not on the board

which, of course chris christie is talking about.you know if you can't take on mickey mouse and walt disney. how can you take on vladimir putin want to ask you about chris christie in a moment, but part of the interesting dynamic between trump and desantis is where republicans are landing on the on the both sides of that choice , and in florida, trump just picked up two more endorsements from florida republicans that brings the total number 26. should that worry ron desantis. look, it's not a good look. if you're the popular governor of a state who won your election by double digits, and you've got now a handful of republicans saying, you know what? i think we're going to go with the other guy. we're not going to go with you. that raises a lot of questions. that's one of the reasons. of course, he's in washington today, which is to meet and greet tell people you know. here i am. i'm running. i'm serious about it. and to tell those donors who are getting a little antsy because his numbers have been going up in the polls. tell those do

it wil be chris christie.in th streets to yell at people. his whole thing was that h would talk to anyone, he would yell, desantis is so carefully managed that it is not clear what he does when he has t deal with conflict, which is a huge part of politics. >> he has no personality that's why they protected him. he has no social skills. he's not likable like you were saying, i think before >> you're not just saying this because you don't like it' politics >> no. >> like there are republican -- >> like when i was in congress and we worked to pass more tha $200 million for everglade restoration, there was an even to celebrate that. and of course, desantis, and o course every singl congressional member was there to celebrate >> he was a congressman. >> no, - >> he couldn't say hello t anyone i mean, he doesn't have social skills i think that they've put a bubble around him, s everything is staged now that he is in the public eye, people are realizing that there is nothing there >> i think the question on florida p

with regard to some other republicans, i reached out to chris christie. let's see if i can find this. i was texting him a bit earlier today. he said an incredible day for trump. he has dreaded this day and probably can't believe he's actually here, which i think a lot of people on the trump circle would probably agree with, especially the last comment there. martha, this is the book written by mark pomeranz published about a month ago. he was the attorney who retired to his home in connecticut, age 70, planning his wife's 70th birthday. he was given a call by cy vance, the former d.a. in new york county, which alvin bragg now has the job. he was given a call by cy vance to be an outside observer for the trump-related matters in the d.a.'s office. and pomeranz is looking to this book. he makes an interesting case about real estate holdings in new york. we were on the errorlier today. your -- everybody had a theory about this. okay? now we know because we've seen the indictment. your theory that would be more pertaining to the payments with stormy daniels.

which would be a bold move because right now the new hampshire primary paul has chris christie at 2%is right under rabies and they spelled his name wrong too. you probably don't remember, chris christie ran for president in 2016 but he doesn't have much in the way of name recognition nationally. and he would also probably have to face mike pence, who is expected to announce in the coming weeks. he is also pulling at around 2%, which is not good. i wonder if even mike pence has the recognition to become president. so to find out we went to hollywood boulevard to ask people strolling by who is this man and this is what we learned. she could do know this man is? >> he looks familiar but i cannot tell you his name off the top of my head. >> do you know who this man is? >> no. >> do you know who this man is? >> i don't buried >> who is this man? >> i don't know. simon cowell? >> do you know who this guy is? > >> yeah. >> who is he? >> his the former vice president. >> what's his name? biko ron paul? >> what you think he calls his wife? >> darling. sheesomething deep and old nicest way pos

chris christie had to say his advice. i'm not sure i even followed it. i mean, chris christie, i think is trying to get into the race himself. he's definitely considering, um, his travels that is taking but work. i rarely agree with that. gavin gavin newsom. i do think he's right. look if you even look at the last week what's happened in the polling with desantis, who was eight points below trump and is now 26 points below. trump the latest yahoo news poll. i mean, trump has this ability to solidify the base of the republican party and no one competes with him. ron desantis has plenty of time. he's not even 45. why would you do that to yourself? put yourself through that meat grinder. if you want to have a future for the republican party, it's just sheer political. sort of, you know, survival skills that that is lacking. i think i think newsom's right, but only if you're looking at this from a cynical perspective. i mean, we were just talking last week about trump's legal troubles. not just the ones here in new york, but the ones that other experts agree

our roundtable chris christie, donna brazile, jon karl and julie payson.t reacted to the indictment. >> you know, i didn't, george, because, in fact, i'd like to read it first. you know, one of the things i found really amazing on both sides of this is that people are willing to comment on the efficacy of an indictment before you've even read it. having done this for seven years -- >> george: as a prosecutor? >> -- right. one, with alvin bragg, an elected prosecutor, democrat, i wonder whether this is really increasing the public safety of the people of manhattan by going after a 7-year-old charge for a hush money payment. >> george: should that be a factor in whether or not he makes the decision? >> sure. you have government resources as a prosecutor and prosecutorial discretion unlike the european say there is a charge, you must charge it. here, prosecutors are allowed to use the discretion that i don't think this is an appropriate use of my resources given everything i have in front of me. on the other hand, all this bravdo from the trump campaign is ba

maybe the reason chris christie is running against him is to make trump look thin. another former trumper, who is likely to run against his former boss is mike pence, and a federal judge today ordered mother's little helper to testify about conversations he had with trump leading up to the riot. at the capitol on january 6th. one of the things pence could be questioned about is whether it's true that trump called him the p word for not doing his bidding to help steal the election boy, i'd give anything to be a fly on his head when that happens, right? at this point, the only person who hasn't been ordered to testify against donald trump is donald trump himself. he won't jump, biden is bouncing merrily along and revving up the old campaign caboose e. he's got some extra pep in his step, and , uh, squirt a politician under his teeth. because starting today the president is traveling the country on a three week invest in america tour. he's visiting over 20 states to remind us he's been getting stuff done. the president is very excited about this trip, and you can feel

and certainly if chris christie gets in, you've got two trump-like characters in this race with this guy sandwiched in between the two of them. so if you don't have the -- if you can't manage the easy part, which is where he is now, when this becomes difficult, that's going to be the thing that really will stress the hell out of his donors, who are thinking he's going to be the sort of -- the political savior for this election cycle for the gop donald trump is not going to go that easily, and chris christie should he get in, certainly won't go that easily, so i think there's going to be a lot more fight that the governor's going to have to show he has. >> michael, since you brought up nikki haley, i want to play something that she said yesterday, and we'll talk about it on the other side >> he's announced his, you know, that he's running again in 2024, and i think that we can all be very clear and say with a matter of fact that if you vote for joe biden, you really are counting on a president harris because the idea that he would make it until 86 years old is not -- is not something

, governor of newjersey, chris christie, or others considering presidential runs who would sing theyeir arms to florida to their state. our suggestion that traditionally or historically that hasn't been the republican party playbook but in this case they are not going as the part of business they are calling out corporations of what you seem to be woke behaviour and how far that will go we will see but it's not without cost. and that lawsuit may be the first example of that. m50. be the first example of that. also, it's interesting _ be the first example of that. also, it's interesting that _ be the first example of that. also, it's interesting that a _ be the first example of that. also, it's interesting that a brand - be the first example of that. also, it's interesting that a brand or - it's interesting that a brand or name like disney, which you know every american household has a relationship with, so interesting that other states are almost opening their arms and saying come here. yes, and that is why it is such a risk for ron desantis, and that's what needs it so fascinating t

mark: newt gingrich, i see people like chris christie, or asa hutchinson or others, pile on with theink to myself, these guys are missing what is taking place in this country. that is this is not your typical election, not your typical period in history, this is a battle over the republic. either we win or they win. and if they win, the republic on over. >> you are right. i think that the -- i see great signs of legislators local governments, country itself is moving. the country is move away from the extremist democrats and from the extremist policies. i think that it was encouraging to me that people like mitt romney and jeb bush came out and said, what is going on in new york is wrong. that was more of a rallying again lawlessness than i would have expected. i think people like chris christie and asa hutchinson are wrong, they're historically out of step with reality, i do don't understand what is go on. the choice is simple. you have entire corrupt system prepared to destroy one person and rewrite the law in way that -- show me the man i'll find you the crime. the truth s the ind

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what about some of these rumblings about former new jersey governor chris christie? who's obviously behind some of these rumblings, but he you know he has gone after desantis as well. he's criticized the florida governor over his battle with disney. could christie emerge as the alternative to trump i mean, i know there's the knock on christie that yes, he you know how debate prep trump and that sort of thing. he was close to trump and so on. so how could he be the anti trump but you know? you can only go to the to war with the army that you have, as they say. the unexpected. rumsfeld was an unexpected rumsfeld reference, wasn't it? you know, look, crystal yeah. you can't go to the war with the army. you have. if you're not in the in the war, right, chris christie needs to declare his candidacy and then he can get in. you know what i suspect he views his strength as diminishing donald trump's front runner status. i think he is not afraid to go after trump and but try to solidify as much of the mainstream part of the party that exists. well while hammering trump where

so again, that's former new jersey governor chris christie, who is himself kind of willy won't he jump in in 2024? i think what we can glean to kylie's point from from hearing his comments today is you're starting to see the contours of this primary take shape, and it's still early, but like you're starting to kind of see the outline of what we're going to see in the months to come within the republican party is they just try to decide who their nominee is going to be. and what's it like to be with desantis on the snap? what's he like? right. so this is my first time actually being in the room with him because i had not covered him previously. and um, you know, he what i thought was very interesting is he has this reputation in the d c circles as being somewhat robotic, and not maybe as personable as people would think, and i did watch him work that room for probably about an hour and remember in new hampshire, those voters demand that you have to politics . that's right. it's retail politics, 11, and they're used to this from years and years, but he worked the room for an hour and peo

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kennedy: chris christie who will probably also waddle into the way, has criticized ron desantis saying anticorporation by taking to disney. >> you know, there is a phrase make america great again or put america first. ron desantis puts americans first not american corporations, he is not a corporatist. a lot of people will waddle into the race and waddle back out, this is a two-way race, to the finish. there is no third place. kennedy: if too many people get in, do you think that ensures that trump will get the nomination? >> getting in the race and having the stamina to get on the ballot in all 50 states to get through iowa and new hampshire with money left over is tough. i think there are two people who can do that right now, ron desantis and donald trump. kennedy: only two congressional republicans who have endorsed florida governor, you and chip roy, did you get together, you are getting cab cabinet positions. >> we were hosted a meet and greet here in dc we had 3s 3 -- dozen congress congressman come over and meet ron desantis, we're a little bit lonely now but it could get crowde

what is chris christie saying? ashley: he storing early primary states.ave the daily beast the strongest signal yet saying this is a strong signal, i think we will lose if trump is the nominee. that is why i intend to be the nominee, adding he's a viable alternative to donald trump. christie sees himself as a amaga alternative. he will make a final decision whether to run in 24 by next month. in recent years, he's been a trump critic as on-air contributor for abc news and not the only potential non-zooba maga candidate, he will join nikki haley and governor asa hutchinson who declared their candidacies. that's a pretty strong signal that he's going to jump in. stuart: trump is ramping up attacks on governor desantis. what he saying? ashley: in true donald trump fashion he mocked, quote, and emergency round the world tour from desantis who's on a trip visiting japan, south korea, the uk, and israel, trump took to his social media platform truth social claiming consultants are pushing desantis to make the trip, quote, to up his gain and see if he can remove

we have come in chris christie. nikki haley, brian kemp, interesting. mike pence, tim scott, chris sununu, chris christie and kevin mccarthy. and some of those people are, you know, because they're thinking about it in their party. the governor of maryland, governor larry hogan. larry hogan, former governor, former governor of maryland. yeah. no, not coming. nobody knows him in texas. yeah, texas. yeah. so the republican party today, the richest, have kind of a long, strange trip or. is it permanently altered? i yes. to both. it's had a weird trip and. it will be altered in some ways. i'm not certain how big the ways will be and i'll be interested. your reaction? i think this whole popular national national populism of, you know, we are going to be america first was a meeting where neo isolation us we want to withdraw from the world that ain't gonna work. i don't think it's there. i mean it's like it's like people opposition to biden's retreat from afghanistan was not. hey you boggled it and 13 americans died in it in kabul was why the hell are you givin

i looked at chris sununu, donald trump, chris christie and mike pence.y are all against what governor desantis is doing with disney and the fight with disney. and i would like to see where you stand on that. and i also would like to see for example i know lego land is going into virginia. if they came out against some of your policies, like the one you just spoke but would you take them on? would you let them know who's boss? >> well, i have been very clear from the beginning about where i stand on all things. i mean, virginians elected a republican governor. they understand that they have hired someone to go to work to cut taxes, to stand up for law enforcement, to put parents back at the chair seat of the table, not to have bureaucrats and politicians telling parents you have no role in your kid's life. people know what they got when they hired me. and we have been delivering. and i just think the key here is that when we, in fact, are fortunate enough to bring in great companies, into virginia, like boeing, like northrup. like lego and see great compa

that is where hutchison, the young guns of virginia, thence, possibly chris christie again, that's what they are counting on. eric: not to mention national security, china, dealing with vladimir putin or not dealing with him, helping ukraine when it's war. who'd you see in terms of the list you just mentioned between the former vice president and chris christie for example, is there one that will potentially break out of the pack that we should keep an eye on over the next couple of weeks? >> and give keep an eye on all them right now. none of them are breaking out of the pack desantis has but he has kind of slipped the margin between him and trump has widened which means he former president is doing a better against desantis. primaries are nine months off. so we still have a lot of time for it but eric, what you just articulate it's really important for me but to think about. this kind of another candidate in this race and those are the issues. what is it people are going to be focusing on? there will be focusing on an economy's not doing too badly. the billikens the job market, can i

you hear things from sununu and chris christie and other people, but asa hutchinson is out there, hereparty need to move on from donald trump? >> because donald trump has taken us back to bitterness. he's taken us back to, you know, what's a personal vendetta whenever you look at what he wants to do as president, it is more about getting even with his political enemies than leading our country. >> so, michael, how does he shape up in a primary race >> it, you know, it's important that he's staking the ground he's staking, andrea, where he's trying to get the base to understand exactly where we're headed not forward, but backwards the second important part for him is how does he now speak to and carve a lane out with the remaining 60% of the republican base because everyone focuses on the 40% that donald trump controls but you're leaving a lot of republicans out of play. and so, if asa hutchinson along with chris christie and others should someone like chris get in the race are able to pull that 60% and create a different lane, then you're probably looking at something that sis a little

strikes me that the former governor of new jersey chris christie could be a fighter as well. we saw him go after marco rubio in 2016 and took him down pretty effectively. does somebody need to go directly at the former to move the needle? >> they could but they have all tried this before. chrisie has been anti-trump guy and bent the knee for trump. they all have at various points. at the end of the day, the electorate understands that much. i think it's in his hands to secure the nomination. we will see and there's lots of candidates out there. i frankly tim scott is auditionings for vp, the rhetoric he's throwing to be a baptist minister type in iowa i think is designed to show trump that he could be a really strong wing man for him but i just don't know how guys like christie who have been anti-trump and bent the knee again and go back to anti-trump have any credibility with that electorate. >> or people are tire offed the electorate. there are a lot of people, many people say there's 25% are definitely for trump or desantis or that type of electorate but there's a lot of p

yesterday, chris christie was down in d.c.sney thing, had a comment that a lot of existing republicans and former republicans would agree with let's play chris christie talking about ron desantis right now. this is yesterday in d.c >> i don't think ron desantis is a conservative based on his actions towards disney that's not the guy i want across from president xi in negotiating our next agreement or across from putin if you can't see around a corner that bob ieger created forrer you. >> you are a democrat, not a republican i know it seems like republicans are from venus and democrats are from mars. maybe they have different ways of doing things. clearly they do because they no, ma'am noted donald trump and still stoerd pim talk about the dynamics in this -- you have seen candidates as they are about to get into a race and rather than building momentum, he is bildzing anti-momentum as he prepares to enter the race talk about desantis' fortunes in that republican race >> yeah. this is not from a partisan standpoint but as as an

tara, someone else who may decide to challenge donald trump, and ron desantis if he runs, is chris christiermer new jersey governor. he was criticizing governor desantis's criticism of disney take a listen. >> that's not the guy i want sitting across from president xi and negotiating our next agreement with china or sitting across from putin and trying to resolve what is happening in ukraine. i don't think ron desantis is a conservative based on his actions toward disney. >> we're starting to get the outline of a potential debate. >> yes there are some out there who would like to see this death match of desantis, christie and trump on the stage both of them have proven they don't have what it takes to take on donald trump thus far chris christie has some unmitigated gall during the position he took during donald trump's tenure it seems to me he's trying to reinvent himself and go after desantis and he's correct about desantis' point, he made the same point i 345ed, about des, the chairman of goldman sachs came out and tweeted against desantis and said is this the guy you want as the leader

. >> former new jersey governor chris christie was at a town hall meeting in new hampshire where he talked about the war in ukraine, the us economy and his relationship with donald trump. this is just over two hours. >> good evening, everyone. good evening. i am the executive director at the new hampshire institute of politics. i want to welcome all of you. a lot of wonderful people here that helped the institute thrive and grow, appreciate it. we've been going strong here. a lot of activity. a lot of things. tonight is no exception. as you can see we have a special, two special guests. the first is the former first lady of new jersey who is here today, mary pat. [applause] >> are special guest tonight. a couple things about the former governor, the 55th governor of new jersey served two terms. more important than that, before that he was us attorney in new jersey, this is the post september 11th period of time in new jersey, very important time to have some fine law enforcement skills and he led during that period and there was a difficult time in america. where he really shined and as go

is there anything smartly strategic about what he's do or are you in a chris christie camp >> the onlyt it, he launched a culture war in today's republican primary politics, culture wars are in. now, this is a culture war that's very discriminatory against the lgbtq and trans-youth. what you're seeing now is an exercise in vanity and vengeance. i mean, he used the powers of the state to punish speech there's no question about that because as disney has responded, desantis has doubled and tripled down and there is nothing republican about it i would say not just chris christie condemned him, but justin amosh, the congressman that desantis was a part of, and desantis is not acting in his conservative way on the warin disney >> it's interesting to see trump, besides the fact he's doing very well in the polls, desantis right this second in south carolina down by 20. but they tell nbc news, team trump, that they're very strategically rolling out endorsements they've got them and waiting for the right moment are we seeing a different kind of campaign for donald trump >> well, you are, you're

out of the way of the republicans making mistakes, whether it is donald trump, ron desantis, chris christiethere will be every ad, every message that will go out, whatever that candidate and donald trump in the same frame. the people will have to deal with that to remove the stain of trump if he is not the nominee. it is most likely he will be. we will see -- stay on our record, the democrats need to get out of the way of the republicans going after each other. >> laura, to what extent will independent voters called me 2024 presidential election? will they go for biden as the least worst option? to what extent will vote or apathy play a part? we heard some younger people saying they are not excited by trump or president biden. what happens if the turnout is low? >> you highlight two important things. both independence in the middle are more likely to go for biden, trump does -- he is the preferred person for biden to run against. we also have questions of enthusiasm. we have seen both parties put a lot of attention on energizing their base as the key to winning elections. if you have a diff

i want to play, mark, somethin chris christie said about ro desantis >> i don't think ron desanti isctions towards disney i mean, you know, where we are headed here now, that if you express disagreement in this country, the government is allowed to punish you? >> wasn't there a time in this country when the gop loved big business what's going on? >> well, kristie is right on this exposes too big flaws i desantis's approach. one is that chris christie touched on in that clip, which is that it so contrary for government orthodoxy for government to be telling private businesses how to ru their businesses it's a complicated story w won't get into right now but the other part of it is ho petty desantis has gotten over this, because disney has actually pulled a very smart move on him with the board and the construction of what's going on down there. and he was embarrassed by that so, now he's - how they're going to regulat their rides in the safety of their parts. so, the other thing that i exposes is just how petty it is he can't stand the fact that this, you know, very respected corporat

we talked about chris christie who was out this weekend.for them to get oxygen in this moment, bret. >> no way. they can't break through this. this is like a solid wall of coverage. not only that, but it is seeing republicans of all stripes, even republicans who have a real problem with former president trump, standing up and defending him and calling this indictment political in nature. not knowing the specifics as we said yet. that's where the politics are, even if you're running against former president trump as a candidate, you have to say this is wrong in your viewpoint. that is quite something for a candidate running like this. i think we're going to see the political fallout of this in weeks to come. i said last week that in the big picture, it probably gives him a big shot in the arm in the gop primary. you've seen his polls go up in just the past few weeks. but in the long-term, if he is the nominee, this doesn't really usually affect independents, suburban moms as far as factoring into that political equation. i think what is goin

karl, this is what chris christie say going into 2024. i thought it was interesting.made a similar point that you made. here's the former governor and i'll get your response. >> i think donald trump is the only republican he can beat. i don't think he can beat any other republican that will get nominated. but the economy will still with the thing that will determine this. >> trace: he talks about the economy. similar to what you said. maybe the democrats want former president trump to win the primary because they believe that joe biden will beat them in the general election. >> i think that's accurate. the one other thing that democrats have going on in a way problem of this. monmouth. monmouth had a poll. 25% of democrats want him to run again. 44% say step aside, let somebody else. 30% say no preference. i bet you, a lot of those 30% are just being polite. the democrats have a weak candidate. but he may be as chris christie see, they may be hoping that they get put up against the weakest republican and hope that they can come out ahead on that battle. >> trace: is t

chris christie targeting back.n he's a guy who's taking strong positions that ar against all trump. dawn from still running so far ahead of everyone else how does this play out >> elie? >> i think it plays out kind o how the polls are showing it's gonna play out i am of the minds that partl because i covered trump in 201 and 2016 and we just watch wha happens over the course of a primary. it's hard to predict nin months in advance. at the same time, at the polls have been so consistent. i also think the striking thin is the ways that what i'm doin my other day job in washington on the hill. there are still republicans wh might i want to talk about trump. but they will certainly not speak against trump. the fact that we're seeing day after day, rolling out more an more endorsements is the fac that he's trying to show tha he is still the de facto ahead of this party. frankly, no one that i can fin in washington. is willing to tell me an different at this point. i think the other thing that striking to me is that if y

the chris christie's in the kaylee's people who are more moderate, traditional the nixon and when canymore that would pose a much i think bigger threat to him. and a pure rely where the issues of age where that where where that cut, where general discontent about where the economy may be and in the summer of 2024, could have a real impact on the election. but if i at least for right now, i'm joe biden looking at what is called what front runners for the republicans. i'm pretty happy right now. i feel very confident going forward. >> well, there are so many issues. i know that a lot of the american people you're talking about the culture wars, but there's, you know, abortion rights. there's the voting rights. sure. there's so much the president did talk about building up to 2020 and eow here we are almost 4 years later and those are even more front burner issue. exactly. so, i when it comes to what he's going to, you know, platform lot form on it will be interesting to see. i guess it probably does depend, though, a little bit on who running for. yes, yeah. that's to be something that'

maybe chris christie will get into the race. maybe mike pence will get into the race and suddenly you've got a divided vote. and if trump wins that primary joe biden wins. and if trump loses that primary, remember, the chairwoman of the republican party said anybody is going to participate in the republican debates. has to pledge to support the ultimate nominee. like think donald trump is going to do that. he's not gonna do that. and then you got a third party. and then the republican party splits further . you're really taking this down the road, okay, there's a lot of scenarios, but you're right. you gotta entertain all of it, because i mean, like we've seen so anything can happen and anything seems to happen. okay there's a lot to watch. well, guy smith, and we have lots more to talk about it another time because you know, there's a lot of material there. thank you material and it'll be exciting. every day will be. it will continue to be just that guy. smith. good to see you again. thank you so much. thanks for having me. alr

. >> talking about going head to head with donald trump, chris christie tried to do that in 2016 fortle while at least before he marched alongside donald trump and announced he was going to support him in that news conference that looked like a hostage situation. he, again, is talking about running. and he's talking about if he does run, he's got to go right after donald trump, he's got to get in there and make the case that donald trump would be a bad president. do you see chris christie having a better chance this time around >> that's a good question, and to be honest, it is one that i still have a question mark in my head about it's one thing to say when you're on the sidelines, the day you announce, what do you say, what do you do, but more importantly a week later, two weeks later, a month later, what do you do you know, i'll ask every presidential nominee of my party other than trump this question, are you prepared to lose the primary in order to win the general? which means you're prepared to take on trump head on relentlessly and to prove that his brand of maga trumpism is n

chris christie found that out during the camp during the 2016 were you basically? dropped out almost as soon as he got it's a very it's a it's it's a different mathematics of election. if you're a republican right now goes through how much? how much can you prove yourself to be loyal and in fealty to the ideals of of donald trump and and answer that the the regime, how the republican party. i do want to just we have heard from the white house regarding all of the biden administration's saying that the is not paying any attention to this, that he is focused on the american people today they were asked multiple but if the president's paying attention, what his thoughts are his white house staff has said, no, he's not paying any sort of attention to the former president and his arraignment if you're just now joining us, this is a live look on the right-hand side inside the manhattan criminal court that's the whole way that we expect the former president to walk out of the once his arraignment is done. it's it's been quite a bit since we learned that he pled not guilty

>> i'm glad that chris christie has been listening to me for a change. have been saying that for six months. i think donald trump is uniquely situated that would be the only republican to lose to joe biden. why do i say that? not because i hate the president? folks accuse me of that. it is objective analysis. if donald trump becomes the nominee the 2024 election become as referendum on trump trump same way 2020 was. it won't make any difference who is on the other side of the ticket. folks will either vote for trump testimony or against donald trump. i said at the very few people at beginning could beat donald trump in an election, is donald trump. why i think he loses that personal referendum. he is uniquely situated to lose to any democrat 2024. the party would be better off with a different republican at the top of the ticket. i don't think any other legitimate candidate has legitimate chance of losing to biden given the numbers. neil: you have always been saying that. mick mulvaney, good chatting with you. >> thanks, neil. neil: you know knows protes

one, obviously, between trump -- with trump and with chris christie, who may or may not get in the raceaced a marker but then you also have the fact that as you just noted coming into this conversation that at least six members of the florida delegation refuse to hold their power and wait for the governor to make a decision so, all of this -- all of the backdrop with what is going on in florida is sort of underscored by how the political class is responding to him the governor was in waushington earlier this week, couple of days ago, trying to ing to shor support with high end donors from what i understood those conversations were just conversations. there is no commitment or guarantee the dollars will be there. he has to figure out how to translate to the speaker's point, this florida narrative nationally and my bet is it doesn't translate nationally people like disney people think the way disney is being handled is inappropriate to go after, you know, one of the largest employers in the state. for what reason? they took a conscientious position against legislation that be, you know, w