chris derose. can we please get in applause for the latest author and regnery history? [applause] >> good day, sir. >> good day, dr. franklin, for you? >> i'm delighted to be here among a friendly audience also i would like to see them a little bit closer of here but can you all here okay? that's the question. good, good. let us begin sounding rivals come a very interesting title. of course i have had many rivals in my lifetime including i wouldn't want to mention john adams but perhaps we could and his rivalry. you know, you mentioned this founding a rivalry between james madison, the father of the constitution, and james monroe. now how is it that jr founding rivals rather than founding friends, weren't all the founders really supportive of this great country, this new nation we created? >> they were patriots to a person but for many of them the had different ideas of what looked like and what it meant to be true to the principles of the revolution and what it meant to be patriots and to be an american. so i think we have developed this assumption over time that the f