chris devereaux, chris, thank you for joining us here on d. w. and 1st of all, i want to talk about the russian black c fleet flagship moscow. russia admits a court fire, but says it was an ammunition explosion and accidents will say, ukraine says it, stroke the mosque of a with to me cells. what do you think is more likely? well, actually, but it could be true. it could be the case that you couldn't miss. i was struck the ship which caused an ammunition explosion. that's a distinct possibility. i think that the evidence is that the koreans did take into service with the credit navy last year and upgraded ex soviet michelle. cool. next june, maximum range, about 200 miles, which is about half way across the black sea. they have demonstrated the ability to hit russian ships before destroying a landing support vessel, the in the pull to the dns, numerical in the, in the see of, of that recently. so i, i suspect the answer is it is indeed the case that the moscow has been, sancho are badly damaged by, by credit missiles. now rush is also saying ukra

well for more we spoke earlier to chris devereaux, a retired british general, and a military analyst. well, actually, both could be true. it could be the case that you couldn't miss scott the ship, which caused an admission explosion. that's a distinct possibility. i think that the evidence is that the koreans did take into service with the credit navy last year. an upgraded ex soviet missile called nick june maximum range, about 200 miles is about halfway across the lexie. they have demonstrated the ability to hit russian ships before destroying a landing support vessel. the oscar in the port to numerical in the, in the see about those recently. so i, i suspect the answer is, is indeed the case that the moscow has been sunk or badly damaged by play ukrainian missiles. now, russia's also saying ukrainian forces defending matter. you will have surrendered on mass. now if my tuple has fallen, how serious a blow is that to ukraine's defense of the country? why? firstly, i don't think we know that it has swollen. i mean that the russians are reporting large scale surrenders, but the sudde